Author Topic: Fr. Rostands New Talk Show Infomercial??? (Read 14278 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #45 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:53:28 PM »

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I'll give you a few pointers to help alleviate your concerns:

Request a Mass (or many) be said by your priest. The stipend goes straight in his pocket. This money will feed him regardless of how stable his priory's finances are. This is a very straightforward and time-honored means of supporting your priest.

If you attend a mission chapel, drop your contribution in the Priory collection. That money goes straight to the Priory for the purpose of housing your priest.

Talk to your local treasurer about how much cushion your chapel has for paying the bills. If you're really month-to-month, that person will know. I'd imagine most chapels have plenty of cushion for keeping the bills paid even if incoming collections dropped to zero. Perhaps ask him/her to let you know if the chapel becomes in need of money for basic operations.

If you're really ambitious, talk to that person about any debt your chapel has and who is it owed to. I wouldn't presume that your chapel has to keep up with debt service just because you have a newish or newly-renovated church. The Society makes loans to itself and it's possible that the construction money was simply borrowed from elsewhere in the Society.

Or, if you're really wild and crazy, pay a bill or two directly. It's a known in a hierarchical organization that a % of money given goes up the line. Buy the week's flowers, restock the cleaning supplies or bathroom soap, or drop by the local utility and see if they'll let you make a payment on your chapel's account. It might not be the most efficient, but you'd know what your contribution is and isn't supporting.

Very good points.
A few I'm already practicing, some other points inspire me to do.

Interesting that hardly any of the "critics" here reacts to these practical points! They prefer to polemicise in theory? Why?

These are creative ideas. There's more than one way to get the job done.

I would caution, however, not to lose sight of the big picture.

What good does it do to pay a utility bill for the parish when you don't know where the collection funds are going?

What good does it do to select some aspect of regular maintenance that you can offset, when you don't know whether in 3 months or a year if this property will be turned over to the local Novus Ordo bishop???

MaterDominici · « **Reply #46 on:** June 11, 2012, 01:59:04 PM »

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Interesting that hardly any of the "critics" here reacts to these practical points! They prefer to polemicise in theory? Why?

I was wondering the same thing!

Incredulous · « **Reply #47 on:** June 11, 2012, 04:26:11 PM »

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How low can you go? Look how they broadcast it to cause sensationalism like Entertainment Tonight and scroll down for the midnight special! :tv-disturbed:They get to comment all they want but the priests who speak in the spirit of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre are gunned down by their own confreres. Even Fr. Pfeiffer is not allowed to go the annual Auriesville Pilgrimage today. What's the point of being Catholic?

www.sspx.org

VIDEO INTERVIEW COMING ON MONDAY, JUNE 11:
Fr. Rostand speaks about current events in Rome

Fr. Arnaud Rostand (USA District Superior) has given an interview to Angelus Press about the current situation between Rome and the SSPX. No subject was left off the table. From rumors, to open attacks, to the state of the SSPX at large, and in the USA District - this interview covers everything!

COMING MONDAY:
Part 1 will examine the state of the SSPX in the United States, as well as the history of discussions with the Vatican authorities, and discussing some of the rumors related to a possible recognition of Rome by the Society.
PARTS 2 AND 3 TO BE RELEASED LATER NEXT WEEK:
Part 2 will discuss Bishop Fellay’s interview with CNS, whether the SSPX has changed positions on a doctrinal agreement, what has changed in Rome, some objections to Bishop Fellay’s position, and more!
Part 3, following quickly on Part 2, will review the personal prelature, the Rosary Crusade, this year’s General Chapter of the SSPX, as well as appeals to the faithful.

A special request from Fr. Rostand:

Help us get 3500 new subscribers by June 11th and
every subscriber gets 15% off any Angelus Press purchase!

Dear friend and faithful reader,
As you are no doubt aware, we are in an important time for the Church and our dear Society of St. Pius X. Led by our Superior General, Bishop Fellay, we continue the battle for Catholic Tradition, following the path laid out by our venerable founder, Archbishop Lefebvre.
We are committed to making sure that you receive updates and news about the Society in general and especially about Rome and the SSPX. But most importantly we are committed to giving you verifiable, accurate information about the events at this historic time.
All of which brings me to my point: I need your help.
We want to make sure that as many Catholics as possible receive official Society announcements and news directly from us. The goal is to make sure that you, and your friends and family, receive timely and truthful information. This is why I’m asking you to send this email to at least 5 of your friends and family, asking them to subscribe to our free updates list.
As a way of saying thanks for your help, we have teamed up with Angelus Press to bring you a special offer. If we can add 3,500 new subscribers to our updates list by midnight of Monday, June 11, 2012, we will send every subscriber on our updates list a special promo code, giving them 15% off their next purchase from Angelus Press!
So here's what you do. E-mail any friends or family members who you think may be interested in our updates and encourage them to sign-up at www.sspx.org/subscribe.htm - let them also know about Angelus Press' special offer, so they can tell their friends too!
So remember: if we achieve our goal of 3,500 new subscribers by midnight of Monday, June 11, 2012, Angelus Press will give 15% off to anyone who is on our updates list before the deadline.
In advance, thank you for helping our website to provide accurate information about the Society of St. Pius X to as many people as possible!
With my blessing and prayers,
Fr. Arnaud Rostand,
SSPX USA District Superior

Approximately two years ago, Father Rostand tried to use the SSPX Legion of Mary to do marketing work for the SSPX.

The Legion members were incredulous as they realized their District Superior was clueless as to rules of the Legion of Mary's spiritual works.

Father Rostand should pack-up and move back to France.
We don't need Bp. Fellay's henchman espousing Consiliarist propaganda from America's heartland

bernadette · « **Reply #48 on:** June 11, 2012, 04:59:53 PM »

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Not putting in the collection basket is a way of protesting against the deal. If the collections are down maybe the Society will give a hearing to the no-dealers. At present everything official seems to be a one-sided stage managed affair in favour of the deal with Rome.

This money situation will not go on indefinitely. In the near future, people will either resume their funding or will stop attending SSPX Masses altogether.

The best way to protest the deal is with the feet...don't go to the mass at the sspx if you aren't going to throw a pittance into the basket out of pure decency and self respect...

Bernadette, you are not making any sense. You shouldn't refrain from attending Mass just because you don't put money in the plate, that would violating the Third Commandment. I suppose you think that the Sundays people don't donate, they should not receive Communion those Sundays, and only receive Communion on the days they do give money? That is not logical.

I am making perfect sense. Churches don't subsist on air SS...it isn't free to run electricity, buy candles, bread and wine for consecration, incense, etc...one is duty bound to contribute something...it doesn't matter whether you receive communion or not, if you are there assisting at the mass and not giving something, it is a niggardly act.
Therefore, I say if you wish to remove yourself from support of the sspx...do it by not attending their masses. To continue to go and yet withhold a contribution in the basket is wrong.

Matthew · « **Reply #49 on:** June 11, 2012, 05:07:42 PM »

Those hard expenses do *not* add up to very much. Unless your chapel has 15 parishioners, your share of the "beeswax candle consumption" is going to be pennies. Same for your share of the altar bread and wine expenses, etc.

And if they're burning incense, it's a High Mass. They don't do that for 15 parishioners.

If you're scrupulous about "stealing" by using more "materials" than you contributed for, how about you throw $1.50 in the collection to ease your conscience -- maybe even $2.

bernadette · « **Reply #50 on:** June 11, 2012, 05:09:14 PM »

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The best way to protest the deal is with the feet...

The best way to protest the deal is to stop going to mass? That's very convenient for people who want a deal. Get rid of the "trouble-makers"

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don't go to the mass at the sspx if you aren't going to throw a pittance into the basket out of pure decency and self respect...

Bernadette, you are making reception of the sacraments from an SSPX priest contingent on financial support for the SSPX. And to say such people lack decency and self-respect, because they are holding back contributions until they see evidence that the SSPX returns to the right course. You cannot justly say that.

The best way to protest the deal is to stop going to mass at the sspx, Tele...what do you propose to do...go there gratis with a chip on your shoulder and a padlock on your wallet? If a person doesn't like the way things are going in the sspx, there are other options...independent, sede, NO...or home alone.

bernadette · « **Reply #51 on:** June 11, 2012, 05:11:21 PM »

Catholics have an obligation to support their priests as well....not only the upkeep of the church.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #52 on:** June 11, 2012, 06:05:13 PM »

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Catholics have an obligation to support their priests as well....not only the upkeep of the church.

That was the easiest one. Mass stipends are paid straight to the priest and no one else. If he's against a deal, he might be needing this means of support more than ever soon.

Go ahead and send a few to Frs. Pfeiffer, Chazal, Cardozo, etc too while you're at it. Support your priests!

Telesphorus · « **Reply #53 on:** June 11, 2012, 06:11:35 PM »

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The best way to protest the deal is to stop going to mass at the sspx, Tele...what do you propose to do...go there gratis with a chip on your shoulder and a padlock on your wallet? If a person doesn't like the way things are going in the sspx, there are other options...independent, sede, NO...or home alone.

So NO is an option unless you're part of the paying club?

Maybe for conciliarists or people joining with them.

Face it bernadette, you don't have a leg to stand on telling people not to attend mass unless they give money to the SSPX.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #54 on:** June 11, 2012, 06:12:14 PM »

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Catholics have an obligation to support their priests as well....not only the upkeep of the church.

I agree that Trads should give money to their Church every now and then if they are able to, but saying they must do it in order to receive Communion is absurd.

Furthermore, we shouldn't be giving money to people who are betraying us, Archbishop LeFebvre, and most importantly, God. I would give money to any SSPX priest who opposes a deal, but priests who support a deal would have to get their money elsewhere. Not that I attend an SSPX chapel anyway, but my point still stands...

Telesphorus · « **Reply #55 on:** June 11, 2012, 06:16:06 PM »

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Catholics have an obligation to support their priests as well....not only the upkeep of the church.

I agree that Trads should give money to their Church every now and then if they are able to, but saying they must do it in order to receive Communion is absurd.

Furthermore, we shouldn't be giving money to people who are betraying us, Archbishop LeFebvre, and most importantly, God. I would give money to any SSPX priest who opposes a deal, but priests who support a deal would have to get their money elsewhere. Not that I attend an SSPX chapel anyway, but my point still stands...

Well SS, we live in a society where women can commit adultery, take custody of the children and then demand child support.

Some people not only think it's acceptable to give money to those who are engaged in betrayal, they would require it.

It's SSPX pharisaism.

Christ drove the money changers out of the Temple.

It's time to drive the money changers out of the SSPX and those who think attendance at an SSPX is being part of a paying club need to rethink their position.

bernadette · « **Reply #56 on:** June 11, 2012, 06:32:50 PM »

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Catholics have an obligation to support their priests as well....not only the upkeep of the church.

I agree that Trads should give money to their Church every now and then if they are able to, but saying they must do it in order to receive Communion is absurd.

Furthermore, we shouldn't be giving money to people who are betraying us, Archbishop LeFebvre, and most importantly, God. I would give money to any SSPX priest who opposes a deal, but priests who support a deal would have to get their money elsewhere. Not that I attend an SSPX chapel anyway, but my point still stands...

The point is...you have the option to not attend their masses! It's so simple, but the hardheaded niggardly ones lacking all charity and Catholic sense will go and take without giving...sad.

There are six commandments of the church:
The fifth commandment of the church is to contribute to the support of the church....if you are going to argue that the sspx is not the church then fine, but it also means they are schismatic.

bernadette · « **Reply #57 on:** June 11, 2012, 06:37:31 PM »

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Quote from: bernadette
Catholics have an obligation to support their priests as well....not only the upkeep of the church.

I agree that Trads should give money to their Church every now and then if they are able to, but saying they must do it in order to receive Communion is absurd.

Furthermore, we shouldn't be giving money to people who are betraying us, Archbishop LeFebvre, and most importantly, God. I would give money to any SSPX priest who opposes a deal, but priests who support a deal would have to get their money elsewhere. Not that I attend an SSPX chapel anyway, but my point still stands...

Well SS, we live in a society where women can commit adultery, take custody of the children and then demand child support.

Some people not only think it's acceptable to give money to those who are engaged in betrayal, they would require it.

It's SSPX pharisaism.

Christ drove the money changers out of the Temple.

It's time to drive the money changers out of the SSPX and those who think attendance at an SSPX is being part of a paying club need to rethink their position.

Tele...are you aware of how bitter you have become? You are angry and bitter, and you betray even those who thought you were a friend...I know what it is to be bitter and angry, and I know that as soon as you go back to being a charitable forgiving and humble Catholic, the sooner you will find a calm peace of mind.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #58 on:** June 11, 2012, 06:40:54 PM »

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Tele...are you aware of how bitter you have become?

Bernadette, how many sides of this thing have you been on?

Now people who don't want to subsidize betrayal should stay home?

And when all else fails you call someone "bitter" who does get angry at betrayal.

Which sounds like the sort of thing you typically hear from the liberalizers about all people who resist their agenda It's natural and correct to be angry at betrayal. Yes, bitter resistance, to the end, that's the correct course. If the Catholic Faith really matters.

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You are angry and bitter, and you betray even those who thought you were a friend...I know what it is to be bitter and angry, and I know that as soon as you go back to being a charitable forgiving and humble Catholic, the sooner you will find a calm peace of mind.

Bernadette if I told you what you are saying is okay I wouldn't be a friend.

AntiFellayism · « **Reply #59 on:** June 11, 2012, 06:50:15 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
Quote from: bernadette
Catholics have an obligation to support their priests as well....not only the upkeep of the church.

I agree that Trads should give money to their Church every now and then if they are able to, but saying they must do it in order to receive Communion is absurd.

Furthermore, we shouldn't be giving money to people who are betraying us, Archbishop LeFebvre, and most importantly, God. I would give money to any SSPX priest who opposes a deal, but priests who support a deal would have to get their money elsewhere. Not that I attend an SSPX chapel anyway, but my point still stands...

Well SS, we live in a society where women can commit adultery, take custody of the children and then demand child support.

Some people not only think it's acceptable to give money to those who are engaged in betrayal, they would require it.

It's SSPX pharisaism.

Christ drove the money changers out of the Temple.

It's time to drive the money changers out of the SSPX and those who think attendance at an SSPX is being part of a paying club need to rethink their position.

The part in bold should be enough to end this discussion.

The Catholics with sense will know what to do, or rather not to do, and the pharisees will keep going by the letter. (2 Corinthians 3:6)