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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2012, 12:34:44 AM »
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    Never let reality get in the way of a good rumor. Is Bishop Tissier de Mallerais still under house arrest in Chicago?


    What good rumor?  That there was a purge in the American SSPX seminary after  +W was exiled to Argentina?

    Because *I was there*.  It's no rumor.

    And actually, Pablo the Mexican's "rumor" about +Tissier being under house arrest in Chicago has turned out to be largely true -- he's being stationed there. Of course it's going to be distorted a *bit* as it travels from mouth to ear (the famous game of "telephone")
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    « Reply #16 on: July 26, 2012, 01:01:15 AM »
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  • Quote from: Columba
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    Did either of you ask any questions at the Q&A?

    If you have traceable family members in the seminary, they will suffer and may be denied ordination for any indication on your part of "disloyalty." When Bishop Fellay ousted +Williamson from Winona a few years ago, almost the entire graduating class of that year was massacred. Only one seminarian was ordained to the priesthood in the following June.



    That is a sin against God for sure.


    Ordinations prayers and even sacraments are different within novus ordo

    I recently "redid" my Confirmation  
    May God bless you and keep you


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    « Reply #17 on: July 26, 2012, 10:25:40 AM »
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    When Bishop Fellay ousted +Williamson from Winona a few years ago, almost the entire graduating class of that year was massacred. Only one seminarian was ordained to the priesthood in the following June.


    What you say is true in spirit, but not quite factually correct. When +Williamson was reassigned, there were already four young men who were deacons. They were not removed from orders and they were elevated to the priesthood in June 2004 (Frs. Lester, Goldade, Magana, and Thomas). 2005 saw the first of the low counts with Fr. Asher alone being ordained. In 2006-2008, there were 4, 1, and 0 priests ordained, respectively.

    2009 was a large group of new priests, many of whom would have only been at the seminary under +Williamson for one year or none at all.

    (While the numbers do a pretty good job, even 2003 ordinations had only 2 priests, so you'd really need more than strict numbers to make the case for this purging which I do believe took place.)

    I know one of the seminarians removed after Bishop Williamson was exiled. He described a politically-motivated mass expulsion of +Williamson followers. He was very bitter, having dedicated many years and many thousands of dollars to becoming a priest of the Society. I was very pro-Fellay at the time so I took what the ex-seminarian said with a grain of salt. The following June there was only one priest ordained and I remembered the harrowing tale of expulsion (apparently told to me in after the June 2004.) Since that time, both my suspicion of +Fellay and my belief in the the credibility of that disappointed ex-seminarian has continued to increase.

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    « Reply #18 on: July 26, 2012, 10:59:16 AM »
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    When did Bishop Fellay decide that his cult was going to start smearing Bishop Williamson as mentally ill?

    Since the +Fellay consigliere Krah maliciously floated the false Parkinson's disease rumor in the mainstream press against Bishop Williamson, it is hard to accept that faction's judgementalism over the "sin" of passing along information they do not approve.

    Krah's slanderous report is easily disproven by the sharpnes of Eleison Commenst and various conferences. That is why +Fellay's illegal and failed attempts to silence Bishop Williamson could have been motivated by a desire to protect that particular lie, among others.

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    « Reply #19 on: July 26, 2012, 12:53:35 PM »
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    Never let reality get in the way of a good rumor. Is Bishop Tissier de Mallerais still under house arrest in Chicago?


    What good rumor?  That there was a purge in the American SSPX seminary after  +W was exiled to Argentina?

    Because *I was there*.  It's no rumor.

    And actually, Pablo the Mexican's "rumor" about +Tissier being under house arrest in Chicago has turned out to be largely true -- he's being stationed there. Of course it's going to be distorted a *bit* as it travels from mouth to ear (the famous game of "telephone")



    If this is fact, it's of major importance.
    Its an early example of Bp. Fellay's political retribution against +ABL's priestly sons.  I don't think many of the SSPX faithful are aware of this story?

    For pratical purposes, all three holy Bishops, the true disciples of +ABL,
    are being held under "house-arrest" by Msgr. Fellay.

    If there is no legal means to stop Bp. Fellay's hijacking of Tradition, then the Three Bishops must break away and form a remnant of resistance.  
    We need their leadership and organzation.

    We faithful of the remnant SSPX should be making plans for funding, preserving and expanding the Faith that's been handed down to us to protect.

    St. Anne, please intercede for us, the suffering remnant!


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #20 on: July 26, 2012, 03:17:53 PM »
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    When Bishop Fellay ousted +Williamson from Winona a few years ago, almost the entire graduating class of that year was massacred. Only one seminarian was ordained to the priesthood in the following June.


    What you say is true in spirit, but not quite factually correct. When +Williamson was reassigned, there were already four young men who were deacons. They were not removed from orders and they were elevated to the priesthood in June 2004 (Frs. Lester, Goldade, Magana, and Thomas). 2005 saw the first of the low counts with Fr. Asher alone being ordained. In 2006-2008, there were 4, 1, and 0 priests ordained, respectively.

    2009 was a large group of new priests, many of whom would have only been at the seminary under +Williamson for one year or none at all.

    (While the numbers do a pretty good job, even 2003 ordinations had only 2 priests, so you'd really need more than strict numbers to make the case for this purging which I do believe took place.)

    I know one of the seminarians removed after Bishop Williamson was exiled. He described a politically-motivated mass expulsion of +Williamson followers. He was very bitter, having dedicated many years and many thousands of dollars to becoming a priest of the Society. I was very pro-Fellay at the time so I took what the ex-seminarian said with a grain of salt. The following June there was only one priest ordained and I remembered the harrowing tale of expulsion (apparently told to me in after the June 2004.) Since that time, both my suspicion of +Fellay and my belief in the the credibility of that disappointed ex-seminarian has continued to increase.




    They are getting rid of the ones who won't go along with a certain agenda.
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    « Reply #21 on: July 26, 2012, 07:05:18 PM »
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  • Fr. Rostand will be at our chapel in NY on Sunday.  I suspect that means he is already at the Priory in Syracuse.

    Interestingly, Bishop Williamson was a priest at the chapel where I attend for quite sometime when he was just Fr. Williamson.  He is much loved by many people and they speak of him fondly.  I think there may even be one or two people who actually keep in contact with him in some way.

    I am not certain if we will be there or not.  We may be planning to assist at Mass at an independent chapel that morning instead of attend Mass at the SSPX chapel.

    If I do, though, I will follow up.

    It does seem, then that Fr. Rostand is making rounds for some reason.

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    « Reply #22 on: July 26, 2012, 07:14:53 PM »
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    It does seem, then that Fr. Rostand is making rounds for some reason.



    NOT to give any impression I'm defending Fr. Rostand's rounds round the country but I think this is the time of year when the ds checks out all the chapels.  I remember Fr. Fullerton doing the same thing about the same time every year and Fr. Rostand too.

    He might be taking advantage of the opportunity of yearly rounds to blow some more of his propaganda around.


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    « Reply #23 on: July 26, 2012, 07:49:19 PM »
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    Fr. Rostand will be at our chapel in NY on Sunday.  I suspect that means he is already at the Priory in Syracuse.

    Interestingly, Bishop Williamson was a priest at the chapel where I attend for quite sometime when he was just Fr. Williamson.  He is much loved by many people and they speak of him fondly.  I think there may even be one or two people who actually keep in contact with him in some way.

    I am not certain if we will be there or not.  We may be planning to assist at Mass at an independent chapel that morning instead of attend Mass at the SSPX chapel.

    If I do, though, I will follow up.

    It does seem, then that Fr. Rostand is making rounds for some reason.




    Please tell him for me, that when he goes through JFK... I'd like him to buy
    a one-way ticket back to France.

    I can put it on my credit-card for him.

    If he asks "Why?"
    Tell him that unfortunately, French priests who are SSPX District Superiors and who function as propaganda ministers for Menzingen are not welcome in the US.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #24 on: July 26, 2012, 08:10:08 PM »
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  • Well, I hope he Father Rostand or Bishop Fellay comes back to Los Gatos soon for a visit as there are some questions I would like ask them.  No one likes to create a scene and embarrass our families, however, these are extra ordinary times and the future of the Traditional Catholic Church is in the lurch.  Each of us must not refrain from placing ourselves in the direct line of potential ridicule by others by asking the tough questions at the right time.  We don't have to wait for their visit.  We can and should write to the Society district offices regarding our stance on the ongoing crisis.

    The enemy relies on intimidation and our human reluctance to be shamed in public. Therefore, when folks such as Father Rostand do visit, we are polite, gracious, and ask softball questions so as to not create a commotion.  The devil himself relies on this.  We must have questions in hand, asked in a respectful and courteous way that command a response.  We must have counter questions for the expected soft answers that politicians tend give.  

    Our priests and bishops were not ordained as politicians.  They were ordained in Holy Orders as apostles and priests of the Church.  Let us give them our respect, but in doing so, command they respond in a way that glorifies our Lord, not political endeavors.

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    « Reply #25 on: July 26, 2012, 08:15:05 PM »
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    Well, I hope he Father Rostand or Bishop Fellay comes back to Los Gatos soon for a visit as there are some questions I would like ask them.  No one likes to create a scene and embarrass our families, however, these are extra ordinary times and the future of the Traditional Catholic Church is in the lurch.  Each of us must not refrain from placing ourselves in the direct line of potential ridicule by others by asking the tough questions at the right time.  We don't have to wait for their visit.  We can and should write to the Society district offices regarding our stance on the ongoing crisis.

    The enemy relies on intimidation and our human reluctance to be shamed in public. Therefore, when folks such as Father Rostand do visit, we are polite, gracious, and ask softball questions so as to not create a commotion.  The devil himself relies on this.  We must have questions in hand, asked in a respectful and courteous way that command a response.  We must have counter questions for the expected soft answers that politicians tend give.  

    Our priests and bishops were not ordained as politicians.  They were ordained in Holy Orders as apostles and priests of the Church.  Let us give them our respect, but in doing so, command they respond in a way that glorifies our Lord, not political endeavors.


    Maybe we should compile a list of the best questions here.  


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    « Reply #26 on: July 26, 2012, 10:16:13 PM »
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  • I would like to develop a list of questions to to ask the District Superior and +Fellay should he visit our chapel in the next several months while Rome ponders the future of the SSPX.  I put this out on IA also.  We should all have some good questions at the ready even for our priest who may be pro-agreement.  Any suggestions?

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    « Reply #27 on: July 27, 2012, 01:30:57 AM »
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    I would like to develop a list of questions to to ask the District Superior and +Fellay should he visit our chapel in the next several months while Rome ponders the future of the SSPX.  I put this out on IA also.  We should all have some good questions at the ready even for our priest who may be pro-agreement.  Any suggestions?


    Question:

    Is +Fellay going to lead BXVI 's "reform of the reform" ?
    The love of God be your motivation, the will of God your guiding principle, the glory of God your goal.
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    « Reply #28 on: July 27, 2012, 02:46:16 AM »
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  • I think this listing of questions is a good idea if Fr Rostand is indeed making the rounds to several chapels. It gives everyone the opportunity to ensure that what they'd like to ask is formed in a respectful manner. Having pertinent quotes readily available might be useful as well. We didn't have such an opportunity as I presumed he'd give a sermon and that would be the end of it.

    I'm not much for asking questions that I already know the answer to, but for the sake of the listening audience, it would probably be good to have Fr Rostand say directly that the Society's position on not forming a merely practical agreement with Rome has indeed changed. Here is the pertinent excerpt from the 2006 General Chapter's official statement:

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    Likewise, the contacts made from time to time with the authorities in Rome have no other purpose than to help them embrace once again that Tradition which the Church cannot repudiate without losing her identity. The purpose is not just to benefit the Society, nor to arrive at some merely practical impossible agreement. When Tradition comes back into its own, "reconciliation will no longer be a problem, and the Church will spring back to life".
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    « Reply #29 on: July 27, 2012, 07:52:24 AM »
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  • A few Questions, for starters:

    ~ Is the SSPX leadership willing to incorporate any changes that may be on the
    way from Rome's authority, in the so-called "1962 Missal" -- changes including but
    not limited to new Prefaces, new Collects or other new Propers?

    ~ If Rome demands that the SSPX start recognizing the new "feast days" of such
    as JPII or Mother Teresa of Calcutta or Paul VI, will the SSPX leadership comply?
    And, if so, why would the SSPX comply with that kind of requirement?

    ~ Is the SSPX prepared to set aside common sensus catholicus when Rome
    makes any new demands on the Society? That is, does the SSPX leadership plan
    on forgetting everything Archbishop Lefebvre taught about remaining true to the
    traditions that have been handed down from the Apostles?

    ~ In your interview, Fr. Rostand, published in the Angelus website, you said that
    the comments by Bishop Fellay regarding the religious liberty of Vatican II cannot
    be excerpted out of an hour-long context because they were only a minute in
    duration. If, then Bishop Fellay does not really think that the religious liberty of
    Vatican II is "very, very limited," then what exactly does he believe, if it is
    something different that that, and, most importantly, if he truly thinks otherwise,
    then why did he say "it is very, very limited - a very limited liberty," in the CNS
    interview?

    ~ Do you deny, Fr. Rostand, that the subject, that is, the topic of religious liberty,
    as described in the words of Vatican II's Dignitatis Humanae, is something that
    we should be prohibited from discussing? If not, are you willing to discuss it
    right now?

    ~ When Bishop Fellay said in his CNS interview, that it is not what Vatican II
    actually contains but rather the common interpretation of Vatican II that is the
    problem, are you able to describe the main points of this common interpretation
    that is at odds with what Vatican II ostensibly teaches? (Take note of his points, if
    any, and compare them to what ABL had to say in I Accuse the Council!)

    ~ Why has Angelus Press decided to stop publishing I Accuse the Counicl!,
    and why is Angelus Press unwilling to answer whether it can be made into an
    e-book for download on the Internet?

    ~ Is Angelus Press interested in selling copy, or is Angelus Press only interested
    in promoting the latest agenda that the Superior General comes up with?

    ~ Can you give a specific list of the principal things over which you believe Bishop
    Williamson has changed his position over the years, so as to be held up as some
    kind of separatist, as you have repeatedly said he is?

    ~ When Pope Benedict XVI appointed Archbishop Muller to prefect of the
    Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, did it occur to you that after any
    regularization of the Society, the SSPX would become subject to obedience under
    this man who is on public record for having extremely liberal, if not heretical
    beliefs?

    ~ When Pope Benedict XVI appointed Bishop DiNoia to resurrect the office left
    vacant for 3 years by Msgr. Perl, the erstwhile head of Ecclesia Dei Commission,
    was it any concern to you that the Society faces an uncertain future of becoming
    answerable to this same DiNoia, who denies the perpetual virginity of Our Lady
    and the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament?

    ~ Are you aware, Fr. Rostand, that when Archbishop Lefebvre observed such
    things as these two highly questionable appointments, as he did with Assisi I and
    the refusal of Rome to allow a new bishop to be consecrated for the Society (the
    first name for his candidate was Fr. Richard Williamson, by the way!), are you
    aware, that ABL took Rome's action as a sign from God that he was to not have
    anything more to do with being subject to false obedience under the apostate
    Rome, apostate by its own actions in these matters?  

    ~ Does the Society's leadership relish the thought that the near future could very
    well entail being held to obedience under the authority of several out-and-out
    practitioners of the "errors of Russia?"



    There are a lot of questions! These are a few that come to mind off the
    top of my head. I hope Fr. Rostand can spend some time answering them. That is,
    after three or four good ones, he could very well suddenly remember that he
    has a previous engagement
    that he had almost forgotten. You know, a
    manicure or a shoe shine, or an appointment with his psychiatrist?

    I say this out of experience. On several occasions, when I have met progressivist
    bishops in Los Angeles, including but not limited to Mahony, when I have asked
    such questions, they suddenly turn and run away. They have turned on their heel
    and have run away. I have noticed this odd behavior from other Modernists, as
    well, such as Fr. Matthew Fox, on stage, getting ready for a Q&A from a patient
    audience, when a well-spoken challenger put him on the spot, he rose from his
    seat and walked out of the auditorium, leaving the whole audience with no one
    to listen to.

    To preclude this possibility, I recommend asking him at the very start, before
    asking anything else, if he can promise two hours of his time. Tell him that the last
    time Bishop Fellay came to visit, he was answering questions for two hours. Make
    Fr. Rostand feel like he's obliged to follow +Fellay's example in this manner.

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