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Offline PAT317

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« Reply #135 on: August 08, 2012, 10:32:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: finegan
    ...Bishop Fellay's background in accounting...


    Just curious, I've seen people refer to his background in accounting before too, as if he had an accounting degree before he joined the seminary.  But,

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    Fellay was born in Sierre, Switzerland in 1958. In October 1977, at the age of nineteen, Fellay began studies for the priesthood at the International Seminary of Saint Pius X at Écône, Switzerland. On 29 June 1982 he was ordained a priest..


    I know he was Bursar for the SSPX, but how could he have had much background in accounting before that, if he joined the seminary at age 19?  Or are people just referring to his time as Bursar when they speak of his "background in accounting"?

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    « Reply #136 on: August 08, 2012, 10:43:38 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zenith
    they are now blaming the problems on a third party(sedevacantists)  


    I think (nod to Alaric and company) that the blame shuold squarely rest on non-whites and those Race Traitors.. :wink: :rolleyes:

    somehow, somewhere, they are to blame, not the SV, nor leadership, nor the jews (who are likely working to divide, beside Krah or whats-his-name)
    Proud "European American" and prouder, still, Catholic


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    « Reply #137 on: August 08, 2012, 11:30:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Zenith
    This Sunday the 5 of August Fr. Rostand said Mass in Boston as part of his US damage control clean up tour. He basically said that we should be humble and obey and those who are speaking out are not being humble and obedient. He said that there is an "apparent divide" in the SSPX and that it is caused by sedevacantist spreading rumors and trying to divide them. That's the biggest load of nonsense if I ever heard one. What a cop out and a denial of a problem that well and truly exists. They won't admit that Fellay was in the wrong to try and make a deal with Rome and it was the other district superiors at the General Chapter that steered the ship away from the rocks for now and so to cover it up they are now blaming the problems on a third party(sedevacantists)  


    I also was attending Fr. Rostand's Mass in Boston.  I remember he specifically accused sede-vacantist websites (plural) of leaking confidential letters.  So I was left to believe that he was implying that Cathinfo and IA are sede-vacantist websites.  Maybe he has a different opinion about what constitutes a sede-vacantist website than I have?  Or the more likely scenario is that he has been informed by someone that CI and IA are sede-vacantist.  In any case, as you say, he is attempting to deflect scrutiny away from SSPX leadership and find a scapegoat to take all the blame.  The SSPX leadership seems to be in damage control mode.  John Lane and Dawn Marie on IA have now posted new information that seems to portray Bishop Fellay as the victim of misunderstandings or the political maneuvers of others.  Bishop Fellay has also tried to blame the Pope ("he desires it").  The truth that they are unwilling to admit is that Bishop Fellay is solely responsible for this crisis.  It isn't the Pope's fault, it isn't the "sede websites", it isn't Bishop Williamson.  The crisis is a 100% creation of Bishop Fellay.  He should man-up and publicly take responsibility.

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    « Reply #138 on: August 08, 2012, 12:28:56 PM »
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  • Quote from: Clemens Maria
    I also was attending Fr. Rostand's Mass in Boston.  I remember he specifically accused sede-vacantist websites (plural) of leaking confidential letters.  So I was left to believe that he was implying that Cathinfo and IA are sede-vacantist websites.  Maybe he has a different opinion about what constitutes a sede-vacantist website than I have?  Or the more likely scenario is that he has been informed by someone that CI and IA are sede-vacantist.  In any case, as you say, he is attempting to deflect scrutiny away from SSPX leadership and find a scapegoat to take all the blame.  The SSPX leadership seems to be in damage control mode.  John Lane and Dawn Marie on IA have now posted new information that seems to portray Bishop Fellay as the victim of misunderstandings or the political maneuvers of others.  Bishop Fellay has also tried to blame the Pope ("he desires it").  The truth that they are unwilling to admit is that Bishop Fellay is solely responsible for this crisis.  It isn't the Pope's fault, it isn't the "sede websites", it isn't Bishop Williamson.  The crisis is a 100% creation of Bishop Fellay.  He should man-up and publicly take responsibility.


    Great post. You've captured the essence of the problem. Bishop Fellay has done more to damage the SSPX through his recent actions than almost 25 years of bogus "excommunication" by modernist Rome. He exhibits all of the worst traits of an ineffective, self-obsessed leader. I don't believe the Society will ever regain a firm footing as long he remains Superior General.

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    « Reply #139 on: August 08, 2012, 05:43:35 PM »
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  • I concur with fellow Servant of Mary & parishioner, Clemens Maria.

    Fr Rostand seemed besieged with unrest. Throughout his sermon, he conveyed a great consternation.
    Father awkwardly danced around known public statements & facts.
    To the informed listener, his maneuvers came across as being deliberately deceptive, if not blatantly untrue.

    His central point was a call to unity...
    A unity, he reports, that was unanimously confirmed in the recent General Chapter.
    A unity that's been disrupted by influences outside the Society, who seek only its destruction.
    As Clemens Maria stated, Father claimed this disruption was initiated on SV websites by leaking the 3-Bsp's Letter & Response.
    The faithful were then instructed with the usual admonition to disregard all the rumors!

    From what I understand, compared to the largers Chapels, we received the shortened version... DEO GRATIAS!
     
    The US District Superior is on a mission of disinformation.
    But the Chapel Mind Control Tour sure looks like its taking quite the toll!

    Please pray for Fr Rostand & all our misguided priests.

     


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    « Reply #140 on: August 08, 2012, 06:05:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    [
    the SSPX.

    It seems to me that fighting against Modernism is one of the most important
    things a Catholic today can do. But before you can fight against it, you have to
    know what it is. And you can't really know what it is unless you study Pascendi.
    It is not enough to just read it. You have to study it. An excellent little book takes
    you through the steps systematically; it's called A Catechism of Modernism, by
    Fr. Lemius. It has been available through TAN Books for several decades. But
    since TAN is now run by Protestants, they're letting the Catholic titles run out and
    then they're not reprinting them. So you could find it's not so easy to get copies of
    A Catechism of Modernism anymore. This would be an excellent textbook for a
    local pastor to run a class on Modernism. That would be a very good thing to do.
    But only a very holy and inspired priest would dare to embark on such a theme. I
    have never heard of one, myself.

    Have you?


    Ordered this little gem the day I read your post. Thank you for the recommendation- our family is reading it and learning much.

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    « Reply #141 on: August 08, 2012, 07:13:19 PM »
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    Father claimed this disruption was initiated on SV websites by leaking the 3-Bsp's Letter & Response.


    No matter where these letters were or were not posted, it certainly took an SSPXer to get access to them in the first place. Certainly not a case of "attack from the outside" as he's repeatedly suggesting.

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    « Reply #142 on: August 08, 2012, 07:22:41 PM »
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    I concur with fellow Servant of Mary & parishioner, Clemens Maria.

    Fr Rostand seemed besieged with unrest. Throughout his sermon, he conveyed a great consternation.
    Father awkwardly danced around known public statements & facts.
    To the informed listener, his maneuvers came across as being deliberately deceptive, if not blatantly untrue.

    His central point was a call to unity...
    A unity, he reports, that was unanimously confirmed in the recent General Chapter.
    A unity that's been disrupted by influences outside the Society, who seek only its destruction.
    As Clemens Maria stated, Father claimed this disruption was initiated on SV websites by leaking the 3-Bsp's Letter & Response.
    The faithful were then instructed with the usual admonition to disregard all the rumors!

    From what I understand, compared to the largers Chapels, we received the shortened version... DEO GRATIAS!
     
    The US District Superior is on a mission of disinformation.
    But the Chapel Mind Control Tour sure looks like its taking quite the toll!

    Please pray for Fr Rostand & all our misguided priests.


    It's quite revealing that Menzingen feels the need for a propaganda tour of the U.S. chapels. It's always been my impression that the TRUTH doesn't have to be "sold" -- only proclaimed in a humble and earnest way. Why stage this dog and pony show? In addition, it's very insulting to automatically label those of us who oppose a practical agreement with Rome as "cryto-sedevacantists." There's absolutely nothing to be gained from stereotyping and antagonizing the SSPX's strongest supporters with false labels of this sort. It's all so crazy and misguided...  :facepalm:


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    « Reply #143 on: August 09, 2012, 01:54:19 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
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    Father claimed this disruption was initiated on SV websites by leaking the 3-Bsp's Letter & Response.


    No matter where these letters were or were not posted, it certainly took an SSPXer to get access to them in the first place. Certainly not a case of "attack from the outside" as he's repeatedly suggesting.

    a) That's the point.

    b) Another point is what some Cathinfo users already pointed out: these two letters from April (the three bishop's smart letter to Bp Fellay, and the latter's delusional answer to the three bishops) are not private in their nature but public because the religion of God (and attacks against it) is always a public matter.

    The good Bishop Richard "Lionheart" Williamson recently wrote about this matter (bold by me) :

    Quote from: Bishop Williamson in his Eleison Comment "A Chapter"

    But the Chapter was serious business. What did it produce? Above all, a Declaration, made public a few days later, and six conditions for any future Rome-SSPX agreement, leaked on the Internet soon after that (given how many souls are presently entrusting their faith and their salvation to the guidance of the SSPX, I find such a leak not unreasonable).



    What you, dear US-American Catholics now experience with Fr. Rostand and his delusional "Public Relations gag tour", we German speaking Catholics experience since a few years due to our closer range to the home of "Bp Fellay and his gang" (© Bishop Williamson). So, maybe some of you now do understand in a better way what I've been talking about the last years here on Cathinfo.

    There's a word for what the Neo-SSPX does (via Fr Rostand and the equivalent persons in Europe): brain-washing, or if that is too harsh for some: re-education. Two words, same method. Not a Catholic method for sure!

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    « Reply #144 on: August 09, 2012, 02:27:21 AM »
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  • Matthew,

    What can you do to temper the manic behavior of Sede Catholic?

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    « Reply #145 on: August 13, 2012, 06:42:34 AM »
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  • I wanted to post a follow-up.

    Fr. Rostand was recently at our chapel in NY.  No one stayed to chat.

    Here is the bulletin from yesterday.  I circled the relevant selection in red crayon.   :wink:



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    « Reply #146 on: August 13, 2012, 06:54:57 AM »
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  • Quote from: CathMomof7
    I wanted to post a follow-up.

    Fr. Rostand was recently at our chapel in NY.  No one stayed to chat.

    Here is the bulletin from yesterday.  I circled the relevant selection in red crayon.   :wink:



    Good for y'all! Actions do speak louder than words.

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    « Reply #147 on: August 13, 2012, 01:51:17 PM »
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    Father claimed this disruption was initiated on SV websites by leaking the 3-Bsp's Letter & Response.


    No matter where these letters were or were not posted, it certainly took an SSPXer to get access to them in the first place. Certainly not a case of "attack from the outside" as he's repeatedly suggesting.

    a) That's the point.

    b) Another point is what some Cathinfo users already pointed out: these two letters from April (the three bishop's smart letter to Bp Fellay, and the latter's delusional answer to the three bishops) are not private in their nature but public because the religion of God (and attacks against it) is always a public matter.

    The good Bishop Richard "Lionheart" Williamson recently wrote about this matter (bold by me) :

    Quote from: Bishop Williamson in his Eleison Comment "A Chapter"

    But the Chapter was serious business. What did it produce? Above all, a Declaration, made public a few days later, and six conditions for any future Rome-SSPX agreement, leaked on the Internet soon after that (given how many souls are presently entrusting their faith and their salvation to the guidance of the SSPX, I find such a leak not unreasonable).



    What you, dear US-American Catholics now experience with Fr. Rostand and his delusional "Public Relations gag tour", we German speaking Catholics experience since a few years due to our closer range to the home of "Bp Fellay and his gang" (© Bishop Williamson). So, maybe some of you now do understand in a better way what I've been talking about the last years here on Cathinfo.

    There's a word for what the Neo-SSPX does (via Fr Rostand and the equivalent persons in Europe): brain-washing, or if that is too harsh for some: re-education. Two words, same method. Not a Catholic method for sure!



    I recall a priest relating a story during the end of the Arian Heresy, where a bishop went to the pulpit and still spoke in support of the heresy.

    The faithful rushed from the pews and grabbed the bishop and hung him on a fence.  I don't hink he was harmed, but rather greatly inconvenienced and he essentially lost his authority.

    Any priests who stands at the pulpit, in the sanctuary, and purposely speaks to mislead or lie to the faithful... should be confronted... head-on.
     



    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #148 on: August 13, 2012, 03:15:01 PM »
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  • I couldn't agree more. In better times, Catholic peasants with pitchforks and scythes would long ago have put the heretics and fαɢɢօts to rout.

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    « Reply #149 on: August 13, 2012, 03:18:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: CathMomof7
    I wanted to post a follow-up.

    Fr. Rostand was recently at our chapel in NY.  No one stayed to chat.

    Here is the bulletin from yesterday.  I circled the relevant selection in red crayon.   :wink:



    What the manipulators don't understand is that they are supposed to offer good faith preaching as a condition of their collection of tithes.

    You can't treat your parishioners as dumb cattle who exist to be fed adulterated sustenance while you seek to maximize earnings with your Zionist money manager.

    The SSPX leaders have cast out the honest men, now they are surprised to be treated coldly?