Author Topic: Fr Rostand visits San Antonio (Read 27733 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #120 on:** July 31, 2012, 01:44:23 PM »

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WARNING: OFF TOPIC!

Quote from: Marie Auxiliadora

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey
They like new buildings and real estate. Most schools and churches that have been closed have been built before vatican II and are historical.

Yes, I thought the crystal cathedral they purchased recently in CA is most fitting for the new church. it reflects the world around it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Crys-ext.jpg

Crystal Cathedral -- it had that name as a Protestant building but it wasn't a
cathedral at all. Now, it finally can be a cathedral! Isn't that nice?

I wonder if making it over to be Catholic will entail replacing some of the glass with
stained glass? Hmmm............ Maybe they can just do some etchings in the existing
glass and save some money?

But the thing that has me worried is the organ. It's a very fine instrument, but the
resident bishop of Orange County is no friend to tradition, and I fear he's going to
have the wonderful organ torn out. Remember, Bishop Todd Brown is the one who told
the faithful that they have to stand when they return to the pew after receiving Holy
Communion, and anyone who kneels is committing a "mortal sin."

Speaking of saving money, they probably won't bother with the expense of kneelers,
especially since using them is a "mortal sin." Does that mean that installing kneelers
is a mortal sin, too? It can be challenging to keep up with the new ideas. Also, since
they plan to rent the "space" out to other religions (helps pay the bills!) not having
any kneelers will make it more inviting to them, increasing revenues.

Rule number one: if it pays, you must be doing something right!

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #121 on:** July 31, 2012, 01:59:41 PM »

Mistake: should be Tod Brown.

The EDIT feature cut me off, as usual.

St Gertrude · « **Reply #122 on:** July 31, 2012, 06:58:36 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

The novus ordo is doing away with the blessed Mother too. Statues have place in trash and or auctions.

Most novus ordo don't pray the Rosary in their parishes and they have done away with altar and Rosary socieities, and even Legion of Mary and replacing it with Protestant like "new Ministries" which are opened to all religions too.

Yes, many years ago I went to a funeral at a NO church and before the mass, a deacon lead the congregation in praying the rosary. He had to read the mysteries off a "cheat sheet" he held in his hand because he did not know them by heart! I was shocked. :idea:

bvmknight · « **Reply #123 on:** July 31, 2012, 08:57:17 PM »

My little kids know them by heart. Sheesh.

Thorn · « **Reply #124 on:** July 31, 2012, 09:17:17 PM »

The pulpit is on the wrong side & I wonder what they're going to do with that ram's head that looks amazingly like Satan that's in the veins of the marble & right under their pulpit?

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #125 on:** August 02, 2012, 10:42:41 PM »

My fault we are off topic.. I was just mentioning how the recent trip to Texas might be part of the next phase as it has been done with novus ordo church and school closings and even lies and covers up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse.

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #126 on:** August 02, 2012, 10:46:43 PM »

It is terrible what they did to further destroy the Catholic. I don't want to see it happen to SSPX.

The SSPX needs to grow and expand inorder to save more souls and lead them to be in Heaven with God. We need more new semianarians and new chapels.

It is a sin to God to not ordain new seminarians too or build new chapels.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #127 on:** August 02, 2012, 11:05:37 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

It is terrible what they did to further destroy the Catholic. I don't want to see it happen to SSPX.

The SSPX needs to grow and expand in order to save more souls and lead them to be in Heaven with God. We need more new seminarians and new chapels.

It is a sin to God to not ordain new seminarians too or build new chapels.

You know, there are already a lot of vacant chapels around, so having to build new
ones shouldn't be a foregone conclusion. A bit of renovation is a lot cheaper than
new construction.

What's really a crime is all the demolition of the beautiful, old churches that our
ancestors paid for with the sweat of their poor brow. I've seen plenty of that. We
should docuмent what we know. There must be a hot place in hell for the
wreckovationists.

And therefore, it's going to be all the more difficult now to get people excited about
fundraising for the SSPX projects when +Fellay is acting like he's ready to turn over
the titles to the local Bishops.

Zenith · « **Reply #128 on:** August 07, 2012, 04:15:21 PM »

This Sunday the 5 of August Fr. Rostand said Mass in Boston as part of his US damage control clean up tour. He basically said that we should be humble and obey and those who are speaking out are not being humble and obedient. He said that there is an "apparent divide" in the SSPX and that it is caused by sedevacantist spreading rumors and trying to divide them. That's the biggest load of nonsense if I ever heard one. What a cop out and a denial of a problem that well and truly exists. They won't admit that Fellay was in the wrong to try and make a deal with Rome and it was the other district superiors at the General Chapter that steered the ship away from the rocks for now and so to cover it up they are now blaming the problems on a third party(sedevacantists)

Incredulous · « **Reply #129 on:** August 07, 2012, 05:41:05 PM »

Quote from: Zenith

This Sunday the 5 of August Fr. Rostand said Mass in Boston as part of his US damage control clean up tour. He basically said that we should be humble and obey and those who are speaking out are not being humble and obedient. He said that there is an "apparent divide" in the SSPX and that it is caused by sedevacantist spreading rumors and trying to divide them. That's the biggest load of nonsense if I ever heard one. What a cop out and a denial of a problem that well and truly exists. They won't admit that Fellay was in the wrong to try and make a deal with Rome and it was the other district superiors at the General Chapter that steered the ship away from the rocks for now and so to cover it up they are now blaming the problems on a third party(sedevacantists)

Hello Zenith,

Thank you for the chapel report.

This helps confirm our understanding of Menzingen's "talking points".

About 1.5 years ago, in a Midwest chapel a young priest advised us that the SSPX priests get weekly talking points to use in their sermons.

This admission was rather enlightening, because it appeared to be an operational change. It let us know Msgr. Fellay interjects within the Gospel message and in lieu of a controlled political message. Or perhaps you could say, a Catholic message directed for political purposes?

Msgr. Fellay => Fr. Rostand => US priests => SSPX Chapel faithful

The Chapter declaration from the pulpit was announced a few weeks ago, when we were fed the misleading story about "unity"
(Unity = 3 bishops plus +ABL against 1 bishop).

Now the talking points revolve around "pride", "obedience" and "sedvacantism".
Msgr. Fellay appears to be as determined as ever to have his way

finegan · « **Reply #130 on:** August 07, 2012, 07:02:02 PM »

It's painfully clear that Menzingen plays a hands-on role in the messaging disseminated at the chapel level. This Superior General seems to have a fetish for public relations and micro-management. IMHO, weekly "talking points" wouldn't be necessary if the Society leadership truly respected and trusted the priests in the field.

In recent years, the SSPX has been run more like a corporation than a religious society. I wonder is this has anything to do with Bishop Fellay's background in accounting, or his attorney's familiarity with the Jєωιѕн financial community? :scratchchin:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #131 on:** August 07, 2012, 07:16:07 PM »

Quote from: finegan

It's painfully clear that Menzingen plays a hands-on role in the messaging disseminated at the chapel level. This Superior General seems to have a fetish for public relations and micro-management. IMHO, weekly "talking points" wouldn't be necessary if the Society leadership truly respected and trusted the priests in the field.

In recent years, the SSPX has been run more like a corporation than a religious society. I wonder is this has anything to do with Bishop Fellay's background in accounting, or his attorney's familiarity with the Jєωιѕн financial community? :scratchchin:

I LOVE IT. You must be Irish, finegan. This talking point scam smacks of a big con.
It's a snow job they're perpetrating, and to control the buildup, they have to get
the points in order. When they demand talking points it accomplishes two things:
They can control the gist of the sermons in America from across the Atlantic Ocean,
and if any priest doesn't comply with the "points" they have grounds to punish him.

There's a word for this: tyranny.

Incredulous · « **Reply #132 on:** August 07, 2012, 07:27:44 PM »

Quote from: finegan

It's painfully clear that Menzingen plays a hands-on role in the messaging disseminated at the chapel level. This Superior General seems to have a fetish for public relations and micro-management. IMHO, weekly "talking points" wouldn't be necessary if the Society leadership truly respected and trusted the priests in the field.

In recent years, the SSPX has been run more like a corporation than a religious society. I wonder is this has anything to do with Bishop Fellay's background in accounting, or his attorney's familiarity with the Jєωιѕн financial community? :scratchchin:

Yes, interesting thought Finegan.

"Micro-management" and "media" relations are Jєωιѕн specialities.
The relatively recent SSPX PR program certainly has an alien feel to it.

It would make sense that an imposter, a faux Catholic, would be behind it.
According to Ethelred's take, that description fits "Tel Aviv Max" to a tee.

finegan · « **Reply #133 on:** August 07, 2012, 07:41:27 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Yes, interesting thought Finegan.

"Micro-management" and "media" relations are Jєωιѕн specialities.
The relatively recent SSPX PR program certainly has an alien feel to it.

It would make sense that an imposter, a faux Catholic, would be behind it.
According to Ethelred's take, that description fits "Tel Aviv Max" to a tee.[/color]

I own a public relations agency, so this topic is particularly interesting to me. All of press releases, articles, interviews, media tours, etc. orchestrated by the Society leadership are as transparent as a pane of glass. They're tactics I learned about in college while studying for the PR profession, and while unsavory in this case, they DO work!

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #134 on:** August 08, 2012, 10:06:45 AM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Quote from: finegan
It's painfully clear that Menzingen plays a hands-on role in the messaging disseminated at the chapel level. This Superior General seems to have a fetish for public relations and micro-management. IMHO, weekly "talking points" wouldn't be necessary if the Society leadership truly respected and trusted the priests in the field.

In recent years, the SSPX has been run more like a corporation than a religious society. I wonder is this has anything to do with Bishop Fellay's background in accounting, or his attorney's familiarity with the Jєωιѕн financial community? :scratchchin:

I LOVE IT. You must be Irish, finegan. This talking point scam smacks of a big con.
It's a snow job they're perpetrating, and to control the buildup, they have to get
the points in order. When they demand talking points it accomplishes two things:
They can control the gist of the sermons in America from across the Atlantic Ocean,
and if any priest doesn't comply with the "points" they have grounds to punish him.

There's a word for this: tyranny.

Agree with both. I know a priest in the TM who is a con artist. Sadly, the more I learn about +Fellay, the more he sounds like this priest: Eliminating and/or smearing the opponent ( +Williamson); Distorting the Truth; I'm in authority-trust me; micro-management; get the people to demand what you want from them; ignore the Truth; peddle disinformation ("Against the Rumors" type); confusing reality; damage control; becoming offended to get sympathy and point the finger at your opponent as in this link: http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Main%20Remnant%20Site%202011/Remnant%202011/Archives/2010-0831-mershon-fellay-interview.htm