Author Topic: Constant Moving of American SSPX Priests (Read 5088 times)

bowler · « **Reply #15 on:** November 05, 2012, 08:14:47 AM »

Quote from: Machabees

Other than the present SSPX-crisis of moving non-accordant priests (and Bishops) around, I do know that such moves are for, especially after ordinations:

Bringing the young priests under the experience of seasoned priests, therefore bumping up others to more growth of other priories, missions, and promotions to higher posts and or duties.

I'm not talking about young unseasoned priests, I'm talking about moving people the great priests in the higher posts.

stgobnait · « **Reply #16 on:** November 05, 2012, 09:43:57 AM »

sometims not moving them, can be problematic too.... :rolleyes:

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #17 on:** November 05, 2012, 10:13:48 AM »

This penchant of the SSPX superiors, to order the movement of priests and
even bishops out of a place where they have been most effective and into
another place where they then have to start all over, is a topic close to the
heart of Fr. Francois Chazal, SSPX. But so far, as far as I know, he has only
mentioned it in passing, with a tone of conviction. When Fr. Pfeiffer has
been on hand, he agrees, but does not add to it. They both could be in
possession of enough facts on this topic to write a book. But I doubt they
have the time that writing a book would consume. Fr. Timothy Pfeiffer is
more of an author-type of person, but if he were to embark on writing such
a book, it would certainly be the 'last straw' for him, in terms of 'membership'
in the Society. He would be 'moved' himself, just like his own brother has
been.

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: TraditionalistThomas
I don't really understand the original question, but the SSPX is shifting priests around at the moment, for normal reasons. They do it every several years.

I believe that they are jerking the great American priests around, moving them constantly so that they don't develop a following. Look at Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, why was he not left in Denver? Why was Timothy Pfeiffer moved from Ridgefield, then moved from the school [in] New York? Fr. Young gets moved practically every year it looks like, where is he now? Bishop Williamson moved from Winona, then from Argentina.

I'm saying that the great priests are not allowed to stay in one place for very long. It looks to me like they will not do the same with the priests that they know they can control. American priests should work in the USA, Spanish speaking priests in South America, and let the French go to French countries. If there are too many French, send them to missions where there are not enough local priests.

I don't think the SSPX is growing. I don't think it is growing because they are not placing the best priests in positions of authority, but instead placing priests that they can trust to follow orders. It's like the communists, they get rid of anyone that can replace them.

The Communist tactic described here can be thought of as a fulfillment of
prophesy, for Our Lady of Fatima, the greatest prophet in the history of the
Catholic Church, beyond any shadow of doubt, said 95 years ago that the
errors of Russia would spread throughout the world, and the SSPX superiors
are in the world, so why would they be immune from this infection of error?

This and so many other errors could have been avoided if the Pope and
bishops of the world had together consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart
of Mary as she requested and continues to request even to this day. You can
be sure that Bishop Williamson would join in such a consecration! And Bishop
Tissier de Mallerais - what an opportunity for him that would be!

Fr. Ward was just moved this summer from Arcadia CA to Chicago, where he
will be with BdM. Fr. Ward leaves behind him an entire parish of grieving
faithful who had come to love him as their father, a true family. And BdM
leaves his own friends far away who now have a piece of their hearts torn
away from them. And for what? How does this serve the 'growth' of the
Society? Or rather, does it serve merely the 'growth' of the Communist agenda
of the notorious Menzingen-denizens?

A friend recently explained to me that when Padre Pio's father had an
opportunity for employment in America, he had to request permission from his
bishop in Italy to leave his family and go work in America. His bishop could
have refused to give this permission. It had been the common practice of the
Church to make such a division in any Catholic family a matter for serious
concern of the local bishop. So what do we have today in the SSPX? We
have quite the opposite practice. We have the 'Bishop of Menzingen' giving
out orders, without any request from the families, demanding that the priests
who are most effective and prosperous where they are, to move away where
their work will be unrewarded and their families will be heartbroken. Do you
see the dichotomy here? Or rather, do you see the Diabolical Disorientation
here?

bowler · « **Reply #18 on:** November 05, 2012, 10:21:49 AM »

Quote from: stgobnait

sometims not moving them, can be problematic too.... :rolleyes:

A great priest that is growing the parish, preaching, teaching, building, fixing, motivating ect., should only be moved up, if at all. You don't remove him and move him down, and replace him with someone inept, but who takes orders. That is what I see going on.

It is the lessor priests that are moved around till you find a position where they fit. Those types will always be under someone else's authority.

Miseremini · « **Reply #19 on:** November 05, 2012, 12:33:58 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

The Communist tactic described here can be thought of as a fulfillment of
prophesy, for Our Lady of Fatima, the greatest prophet in the history of the
Catholic Church, beyond any shadow of doubt, said 95 years ago that the
errors of Russia would spread throughout the world, and the SSPX superiors
are in the world, so why would they be immune from this infection of error?

This and so many other errors could have been avoided if the Pope and
bishops of the world had together consecrated Russia to the Immaculate Heart
of Mary as she requested and continues to request even to this day. You can
be sure that Bishop Williamson would join in such a consecration! And Bishop
Tissier de Mallerais - what an opportunity for him that would be!

How can we expect the Pope and Bishops to do what they were asked in the 1920's when we still haven't done what WE were asked in 1917???
Our Mother at Fatima asked us to pray for the conversion of sinners. She told us if we didn't there would be a more terrible war; and there was. Lucy, Jacinta and Francesco prayed and offered sacrifices for the conversion of sinners constantly.

If our parents and maybe grandparents had prayed and sacrificed for the conversion of sinners, the men who became priests, bishops and pope between 1917 and 1960 might have been converted, Vatican II might not have happened and the consecration might have been already done.
Have we become so movus ordoized that we are still laying all the blame on the Popes and Bishops for not doing the consecration?? Why are we continuing to pray for the Consecration of Russia? Do we think the Pope will do it WITHOUT being converted? Not likely.

The Pope and Bishops will be converted only one of two ways: Through prayer and sacrifice OR a world wide disaster that wipes out most of the Bishops and scares the hell out of the rest.

Stop praying for the conversion of Russia and start doing what we were asked.
Pray for the conversion of sinners EXPECIALLY those that have authority and influence over us. Then the consecration will be done!

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #20 on:** November 05, 2012, 12:59:04 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

From past experiences of Novus Ordo, priests were moved around to cover up sɛҳuąƖ abuse. Later, priests were being strategically moved around to get around the canon law to close down Churches and merge parishes. Canon law was abused. Canon law stated that only a pastor can close down a parish with good reason.

Recently, bishops of Novus Ordo are being moved around to avoid prosecution for cover up of sɛҳuąƖ abuse.

As far as french priest wiht french people, spanish priests with spanish people. That is wrong and a sin against God.

We are all Catholics. The Latin Mass unifies us all.

This is fact...while the discussions of SSpx in Rome , the catholic church and school closures were at their peak.

If Rome wanted the SSPX to merge then there would have been no closures or mergeers of these properties.

Be ready because those who are in with Rome are eyeing up your SSPX properties/ So thumbs down me all you want... until they close down your chapel and replace with a wear house concert hall like the one in brazil for the Pop star priest...

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #21 on:** November 05, 2012, 01:04:41 PM »

and the lies, the manipulations that were used to justify the closures were evil. Rome was involved in real estate scandal and Rome Hierarchy's nephew Raphael Follieri was scape goat and went jail for fraud involving Catholic real estate with the New jersey bishop and several clergy who had dealings...it made the New York Post news as making deal with the devil...

We must prevent this from happening again. We catholics are under attack by the enemy within..

s2srea · « **Reply #22 on:** November 05, 2012, 01:44:19 PM »

Quote from: Neil Obstat

Fr. Ward was just moved this summer from Arcadia CA to Chicago, where he
will be with BdM. Fr. Ward leaves behind him an entire parish of grieving
faithful who had come to love him as their father, a true family. And BdM
leaves his own friends far away who now have a piece of their hearts torn
away from them. And for what? How does this serve the 'growth' of the
Society? Or rather, does it serve merely the 'growth' of the Communist agenda
of the notorious Menzingen-denizens?

Did you not know that Fr. Ward was disliked by A LOT of people? What are you and Bowler getting off on? Its like you're discrediting this movement with moronic cօռspιʀαcιҽs. Stick to facts, and enough of this gibberish, please.

By the way, BdM is being moved to Chicago to, among other things, help with ordinations and confirmations in the Americas and oversight of the new seiminary.

JMacQ · « **Reply #23 on:** November 05, 2012, 03:47:57 PM »

It depends on what sort of people disliked him, I guess.

bowler · « **Reply #24 on:** November 05, 2012, 03:57:24 PM »

Quote from: s2srea

Did you not know that Fr. Ward was disliked by A LOT of people? What are you and Bowler getting off on? Its like you're discrediting this movement with moronic cօռspιʀαcιҽs. Stick to facts, and enough of this gibberish, please.

What facts have you posted?

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: TraditionalistThomas
I don't really understand the original question, but the SSPX is shifting priests around at the moment, for normal reasons. They do it every several years.

I believe that they are jerking the great American priests around, moving them constantly so that they don't develop a following. Look at Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, why was he not left in Denver? Why was Timothy Pfeiffer moved from Ridgefield, then moved from the school [in] New York? Fr. Young gets moved practically every year it looks like, where is he now? Bishop Williamson moved from Winona, then from Argentina.

I'm saying that the great priests are not allowed to stay in one place for very long. It looks to me like they will not do the same with the priests that they know they can control. American priests should work in the USA, Spanish speaking priests in South America, and let the French go to French countries. If there are too many French, send them to missions where there are not enough local priests.

I don't think the SSPX is growing. I don't think it is growing because they are not placing the best priests in positions of authority, but instead placing priests that they can trust to follow orders. It's like the communists, they get rid of anyone that can replace them.

s2srea · « **Reply #25 on:** November 05, 2012, 04:03:30 PM »

Quote from: bowler

Quote from: s2srea

Did you not know that Fr. Ward was disliked by A LOT of people? What are you and Bowler getting off on? Its like you're discrediting this movement with moronic cօռspιʀαcιҽs. Stick to facts, and enough of this gibberish, please.

What facts have you posted?

Quote from: bowler
Quote from: TraditionalistThomas
I don't really understand the original question, but the SSPX is shifting priests around at the moment, for normal reasons. They do it every several years.

I believe that they are jerking the great American priests around, moving them constantly so that they don't develop a following. Look at Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer, why was he not left in Denver? Why was Timothy Pfeiffer moved from Ridgefield, then moved from the school [in] New York? Fr. Young gets moved practically every year it looks like, where is he now? Bishop Williamson moved from Winona, then from Argentina.

I'm saying that the great priests are not allowed to stay in one place for very long. It looks to me like they will not do the same with the priests that they know they can control. American priests should work in the USA, Spanish speaking priests in South America, and let the French go to French countries. If there are too many French, send them to missions where there are not enough local priests.

I don't think the SSPX is growing. I don't think it is growing because they are not placing the best priests in positions of authority, but instead placing priests that they can trust to follow orders. It's like the communists, they get rid of anyone that can replace them.

None- but neither have you, apart from a few misleading questions. We don't need drama queens to stirr things up for nothing, there's enough factual evidence for us to be concerned about. Just sayin.

Quo Vadis Petre · « **Reply #26 on:** November 05, 2012, 04:59:04 PM »

I agree with s2srea. Many disliked Fr. Ward. Plus, Fr. Ward is known to have been a vocal opponent of +Williamson. Also, I would add, unfortunately, with Fr. Ward as prior, things got pretty bad in a certain chapel, to tell the truth.