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Fr. Rostand is desperate
« on: February 22, 2013, 01:03:00 AM »
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  • Here is another unfortunate piece of behavior from Fr. Rostand, sspx.org, in trying to build another "strawman", in another deliberate and pitiful attack, while still trying to purposely mislead the faithful...

    From SSPX.org

    http://www.sspx.org/district_news/a_great_disservice_to_the_faithful_2-21-2013.htm


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    A great disservice
    to the faithful

    A Resistance-created crisis
       

    2-21-2013

    They call themselves the "Resistance Movement" and claim they are the ones remaining loyal and faithful to Archbishop Lefebvre's "true mission" - thus they are "authentic" Society of St. Pius X.

    And because they assert that the SSPX's leaders are secretly preparing to sell out the priests and faithful to Modernist Rome, the clerics recently expelled from the Society were warranted in their publicly disobedience.

    As Fr. Rostand (USA District Superior) pointed out during his recent Angelus Press interview, this example is similar to that of March 1983, when Archbishop Lefebvre expelled "The Nine" American priests - who accused His Excellency of selling out.

    Continuing this unfortunate, present-day saga, a layman who attends the SSPX's chapel in Post Falls, Idaho, just answered to an e-mail invitation to attend some locally-held, Resistance activities. Mr. Beam's charitable response is direct and insightful and we thank him for allowing us to publish it.

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    The invitation

    Dear Fellow Catholics,

    You may have already heard some of the details, but I wanted to make sure you had the full info and formally invite you to come hear H.E. Bishop Williamson give a Conference...

    I know many people have expressed very different and impassioned views on recent events in our beloved Society of Saint Pius X and there is a lot of concern and confusion in general. I hope that will not prevent you from coming, as His Excellency will be covering a variety of issues and spiritual topics... It is a rare and spiritually precious opportunity to be able to attend a Bishop’s Mass and hear a Bishop speak...

    I hope and pray to see you all there...

    In Christ & Mary,

    [no name]

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    The reply

    From: Matthew Beam

    Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013

    To: Good Success

    Subject: Re: Bishop Williamson's visit

    Dear ?

    Your email extends a personal and formal invitation to me. Your email refers to "I wanted", "I know" "I hope"...but no "I" signed the email.

    Would you be kind enough to send me an email with your signature?

    I have very little respect or use for the anonymous approach... and would be grateful if you were both courteous and courageous enough to let me know who you are.

    I will not be attending since the battle field which has been portrayed by H.E. Bishop Williamson and the attending priests does not presently exist and therefore their battle cry and offering themselves as the only alternative is just part of a created crisis.

    The Society is not presently teaching heresy, our sermons (contrary to the trumped up charges of some) have not morphed into some kind of marriage with the Novus Ordo... our children are not in danger of NOT receiving Confirmation from a Bishop, our seminarians are not in danger of NOT being ordained...and so H.E. and the attendant priests must create a following by creating a reason...be it mythical or real.

    While I agree the opportunity to attend a Bishop's Mass is a rare grace these days... one cloaked in disobedience and misrepresentation must surely somehow compromise those graces.

    It is a great tragedy to see H.E. and attending priests reduce their vocations from an apostolate to a livelihood.

    Without denying the good which they have been instrumental for in the past...these priests have, even in the best days of the Society, always been a bit of "loose cannons". I just fear that as time progresses amongst their own company how long will it be before those loose cannons begin turning in on themselves?

    They do a great disservice to the faithful, since as you rightly mention in your email, there has been a great deal of confusion ...this confusion is being nurtured and cultivated by themselves ...for how else can they provide for the daily bread and butter if not by "winning" over souls and collections.

    I pray daily to Archbishop Lefebvre for all the members and past members of the Society.

    There is no denying that these times are confusing and that one must work out one's salvation in both fear and trembling.

    However, please don't confuse engulfing yourself in the mantle of Our Lady with simply hiding behind her cloak...as you have done in this email. You seem to wish to proclaim yourself devoted to Our Lady and yet are afraid to be named.

    Ever in union of prayers,

    In Jesus, Mary and Joseph,

    Matthew Beam


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    Fr. Rostand is desperate
    « Reply #1 on: February 22, 2013, 01:25:54 AM »
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  • Nice to see that Fr. Rostand skims CathInfo.

    Too bad he isn't reading very closely.

    No one calls it the "Resistance Movement" -- it's always "the Resistance".

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    « Reply #2 on: February 22, 2013, 01:39:58 AM »
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  • A simple, local and anonymous invitation is considered to be a mortal sin by the neo-SSPX'ers but all the secrecy on the worldly sellout must be honest and prudent, eh?

    Also, if memory serves me correctly, sspx.org had a article/refutation on Bishop Williamson soon after (or before) his expulsion that was not signed either.

    Desperate, liberal and amateur... that's all Fr. Rostand is.

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    « Reply #3 on: February 22, 2013, 02:01:54 AM »
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  • You know, after reading the title from the sspx.org article: "A disservice to the faithful: the Resistance-caused crisis.", one would think it might be important, or serious, or something.  

    Nope.  

    The bottom line of it is, that an advertisement to invite people was not "signed" with a person's name on it.  Oh my.  What a calamity...!  What a crisis in human society...!  You are bad...evil people!

    I have a question.  

    When Fr. Rostand sent out his advertisement over the last two years for the U.S. district's annual conferences, did he sign his name on it?

    No?  

    Anyone's name on it?  

    No?

    Boy, do we have a crisis...?

    Oh, it is just an advertisement.  You do not need to...that's right.

    Fr. Rostand, do you not recognize that you do the very things that you say others do?  

    Why do you go into such a stupid, childishness, smear campaign?

    What is happening with the N-SSPX?

    With Fr. Rostand's other recent, deliberate misleading interview, he must recognize that he is losing the fight and really is becoming desperate.

    Fr. Rostand, it is the TRUTH that will give to you peace; and will set you free from your bondage of anxiety of putting out these bogus smears.

    This is NOT a church of Fellay; this is the Church of Jesus Christ!

    Please behave as such...


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    « Reply #4 on: February 22, 2013, 02:31:06 AM »
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    I will not be attending since the battle field which has been portrayed by H.E. Bishop Williamson and the attending priests does not presently exist and therefore their battle cry and offering themselves as the only alternative is just part of a created crisis.

    The Society is not presently teaching heresy, our sermons (contrary to the trumped up charges of some) have not morphed into some kind of marriage with the Novus Ordo... our children are not in danger of NOT receiving Confirmation from a Bishop, our seminarians are not in danger of NOT being ordained...and so H.E. and the attendant priests must create a following by creating a reason...be it mythical or real.


    So if the Fr. Rostand, sspx.org, gave permission to print this article on their official website, then Fr. Rostand, the N-SSPX, and Menzingen, are in full accord of these statements; do not believe that there is a crisis; it is "not real"; and the issues of the crisis "does not presently exist".

    A simple honest search of present history shows they will eat those words.  Oh, wait a minute.  Bishop Fellay did say something.  What was it?  

    From the Article: "A Catechism of the Crisis in the SSPX."
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/A-Catechism-of-the-Crisis-in-the-SSPX

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    1.    Has there ever really been a crisis ?
    Yes. Bp. Fellay speaks of “a very great trial in the SSPX” (Econe, 07/09/2012); “A sorrowful trial” with “serious problems” (Cor Unum, Nov. 2012) “The greatest that we’ve ever had” (01/11/2012


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    38.    So Bishop Fellay showed a serious lack of prudence?
    Yes, but that wasn’t his only fault, because doing that meant going against the will of the General Chapter of 2006. Therefore, there has been not only a very rash imprudence, but also a serious disobedience.

    40.    How could he justify such a change of direction?
    By scorning all friendly warnings and cancelling the decisions of the 2006 Chapter which bound him.

    41.    Which “friendly warnings” are you thinking of?
    This one in particular: “To proceed in the direction of a practical agreement will mean breaking our word and our engagements in front of our priests, our faithful, Rome and the whole world. Such an approach would demonstrate a serious diplomatic weakness on the part of the Society, and to tell the truth, more than just a diplomatic weakness. It would be a lack of coherence, of uprightness and of firmness, the effect of which would be the loss of the credibility and moral authority which we enjoy at present. The simple fact alone of setting out down this road will bring us distrust and division. Lots of superiors and priests will have a problem of conscience and will oppose it. Authority, and even the principle of authority, will be called into question and undermined. Therefore, this is not the time to change the decision of the 2006 Chapter. (Bp. De Galarreta, Albano, 07/10/2011)

    44.    What did he do with these clear decisions?
    He officially threw them in the dustbin in March 2012, in Cor Unum.



    And the real facts keep on going...and pour in daily.

    Perhaps, unfortunately, Fr. Rostand must be proud that finally someone is "responding" favorably in "clone" to his misleading parade of "facts".

    Some fisherman you are dear N-SSPX; you are suppose to net in souls for the Church of Jesus Christ with Truth and Honesty; NOT to mislead for the church of Fellay.

    Shame on you...


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    « Reply #5 on: February 22, 2013, 02:31:16 AM »
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    It is a great tragedy to see H.E. and attending priests reduce their vocations from an apostolate to a livelihood.


    What an odious, false thing to say.




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    « Reply #6 on: February 22, 2013, 05:31:25 AM »
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  • [/i]I will be watching for Hate Crimes and violations of Civil Rights.

    I am not afraid to stand up against bullies.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 22, 2013, 06:17:39 AM »
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  •    THIS IS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD!!! They have exposed their malice so openly! Now, it takes somebody willing and able to hit the target with a bullseye response.  We will use this article as the battle lines have been drawn and there are so few straglers left...most people have already taken their places in this confrontation.  This article will only serve to encourage and strengthen those who resist the evil. Thank God for ALLOWING this. As they say...God brings good out of evil. Let's be instruments to help spread that good. And PRAY for those who do evil...perhaps this applies to them: "Father, Forgive them, they know not what they do." ----IF the neo-SSPX thought WE were evil in any way, if they REALLY thought that, surely if they were Catholic they would have publicly relayed that message to ALL the Faithful: "Father, Forgive them, They know no what they do." ---have we heard this kind of Catholicism??



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    « Reply #8 on: February 22, 2013, 06:20:26 AM »
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    I will not be attending since the battle field which has been portrayed by H.E. Bishop Williamson and the attending priests does not presently exist and therefore their battle cry and offering themselves as the only alternative is just part of a created crisis.

    The Society is not presently teaching heresy, our sermons (contrary to the trumped up charges of some) have not morphed into some kind of marriage with the Novus Ordo... our children are not in danger of NOT receiving Confirmation from a Bishop, our seminarians are not in danger of NOT being ordained...and so H.E. and the attendant priests must create a following by creating a reason...be it mythical or real.


    So if the Fr. Rostand, sspx.org, gave permission to print this article on their official website, then Fr. Rostand, the N-SSPX, and Menzingen, are in full accord of these statements; do not believe that there is a crisis; it is "not real"; and the issues of the crisis "does not presently exist".

    A simple honest search of present history shows they will eat those words.  Oh, wait a minute.  Bishop Fellay did say something.  What was it?  

    From the Article: "A Catechism of the Crisis in the SSPX."
    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/A-Catechism-of-the-Crisis-in-the-SSPX

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    1.    Has there ever really been a crisis ?
    Yes. Bp. Fellay speaks of “a very great trial in the SSPX” (Econe, 07/09/2012); “A sorrowful trial” with “serious problems” (Cor Unum, Nov. 2012) “The greatest that we’ve ever had” (01/11/2012


    And,

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    38.    So Bishop Fellay showed a serious lack of prudence?
    Yes, but that wasn’t his only fault, because doing that meant going against the will of the General Chapter of 2006. Therefore, there has been not only a very rash imprudence, but also a serious disobedience.

    40.    How could he justify such a change of direction?
    By scorning all friendly warnings and cancelling the decisions of the 2006 Chapter which bound him.

    41.    Which “friendly warnings” are you thinking of?
    This one in particular: “To proceed in the direction of a practical agreement will mean breaking our word and our engagements in front of our priests, our faithful, Rome and the whole world. Such an approach would demonstrate a serious diplomatic weakness on the part of the Society, and to tell the truth, more than just a diplomatic weakness. It would be a lack of coherence, of uprightness and of firmness, the effect of which would be the loss of the credibility and moral authority which we enjoy at present. The simple fact alone of setting out down this road will bring us distrust and division. Lots of superiors and priests will have a problem of conscience and will oppose it. Authority, and even the principle of authority, will be called into question and undermined. Therefore, this is not the time to change the decision of the 2006 Chapter. (Bp. De Galarreta, Albano, 07/10/2011)

    44.    What did he do with these clear decisions?
    He officially threw them in the dustbin in March 2012, in Cor Unum.



    And the real facts keep on going...and pour in daily.

    Perhaps, unfortunately, Fr. Rostand must be proud that finally someone is "responding" favorably in "clone" to his misleading parade of "facts".

    Some fisherman you are dear N-SSPX; you are suppose to net in souls for the Church of Jesus Christ with Truth and Honesty; NOT to mislead for the church of Fellay.

    Shame on you...


    Within this context I read this to mean a crisis within the SSPX being "created" not the overall crisis in the Church.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 22, 2013, 06:39:28 AM »
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  • Bishop Williamson was kicked out for EC apostalate and for giving confirmations.

    Now this person complaining of him giving confirmations speak of exchanging an apostolate for a livelihood.  

    The neo-SSPX operates by pretending things are as they want them to be, rather than as they are.

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    « Reply #10 on: February 22, 2013, 08:12:44 AM »
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    It is a great tragedy to see H.E. and attending priests reduce their vocations from an apostolate to a livelihood.


    That is exactly what the Neo-SSPX Menzingen follower priests are doing. He is just speaking from his own mindset.

    If it were the Resistance priests that were doing this, they would not have left the Neo-SSPX! In fact, they would be idiots for leaving a comparatively speaking; easy, comfortable, taken care of livelihood, and exchanged it for  the a daily sacrificial unknown of the Resistance Movement. Only a person willing to sacrifice his life, his everything for a cause (truth), would undertake such a move as the Resistance priests have undertaken.

    I have learned from this SSPX breakup, that the Neo-SSPX priestly defenders will always focus on their own faults when they attack the other side.The sheep dog knows all of the tricks of the wolf because he himself was once a wolf. Whenever you see a critique from Fr. Rostand, notice how it can always be reversed on him. It hapens every time he open his mouth to defend the party line.



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    « Reply #11 on: February 22, 2013, 08:26:30 AM »
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    It is a great tragedy to see H.E. and attending priests reduce their vocations from an apostolate to a livelihood.


    That is exactly what the Neo-SSPX Menzingen follower priests are doing. He is just speaking from his own mindset.

    If it were the Resistance priests that were doing this, they would not have left the Neo-SSPX! In fact, they would be idiots for leaving a comparatively speaking; easy, comfortable, taken care of livelihood, and exchanged it for  the a daily sacrificial unknown of the Resistance Movement. Only a person willing to sacrifice his life, his everything for a cause (truth), would undertake such a move as the Resistance priests have undertaken.

    I have learned from this SSPX breakup, that the Neo-SSPX priestly defenders (the vocal ones) will always focus on their own faults when they attack the other side. The sheep dog knows all of the tricks of the wolf because he himself was once a wolf. Whenever you see a critique from Fr. Rostand, notice how it can always be reversed on him. It happens every time he open his mouth to defend the party line.

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    « Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 08:39:03 AM »
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  • Very good point Bowler. That's why these liberal minded modernists tend to speak from both sides of the mouth, and usually the foot always seems to get in the way.

    If they simply spoke the truth (like true Traditional Catholic priests are supposed to), they wouldn't need to be constantly digging themselves out of all the holes they keep putting themselves in.

    However, that comment about Bp. Williamson was made by a layman (who's in denial of the crisis which his own beloved leader(s) have brought about).

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    « Reply #13 on: February 22, 2013, 08:41:18 AM »
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  • I read the whole letter and I only get from it that:

    1) the Resistance Movement person should identify himself.
    2) the Resistance priests can only be doing what they are doing, having a conference, in order to make a living.


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    for how else can they provide for the daily bread and butter if not by "winning" over souls and collections.



    That's pretty puerile conclusion. The whole letter is hollow and embarrasing. AND that's all that SSPX.org has to publish? I think that if the SSPX.org did not have all of the material from the past on their website, there would be nothing there. They are living off of the host, like the communists live off of what was built by others. The posting of this childish letter is an example of what they produce themselves.

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    « Reply #14 on: February 22, 2013, 08:51:13 AM »
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    However, that comment about Bp. Williamson was made by a layman (who's in denial of the crisis which his own beloved leader(s) have brought about).


    The SSPX.org is run by Fr. Rostand and Menzingen, if they published that letter, then it is they that are saying it, they are 100% in agreement, and found the letter to speak better they they could have said it themselves.

    It is even worse, for they are allowing a nobody to insult Bishop Williamson.