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« on: February 24, 2014, 02:10:17 AM »
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  • For an issue and a topic of such gravity, this is the Superior of the SSPX for the District of America, addressing the concerns of the faithful regarding the change in doctrine adapted by the SSPX.


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    « Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 02:45:47 AM »
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    Here it is --- a.k.a. Fun With Father Rostand:  

    [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/embed/Pb_D4clTKJA[/youtube]


    Wasn't that special?  Leave their faith? (1:46)

    By their out-take fruits you shall know them.



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    « Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 06:25:35 AM »
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  • This is pathetic!  A man, chosen by Christ to ascend to the exalted position of an Alter Christus, reducing himself to a bad actor in order to please his wayward superiors.  I hope he is enjoying his short stint as a member of the SSPX Clergy "in crowd".   This is the priest who runs around the USA threatening faithful Roman Catholics with expulsion from SSPX Chapels and decides who is worthy of receiving the Holy Sacraments ...  

    Many thanks for posting this.  It should be required viewing for the SSPX USA District faithful

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    « Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 06:34:11 AM »
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  • Please see http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/Father-Girouards-latest-editorial for the sermon that goes with the video.

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    « Reply #4 on: February 24, 2014, 08:27:50 AM »
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  • A "total obscenity" is the real obscenity here.  The video is innocuous.  The only part that is mildly objectionable is the "leave the faith" part.  Of course it's obvious that Rostand is saying "live" and the joke is that the subtitle says "leave," playing on his accent.

    Considering that the video was apparently never meant for general viewing, we can't even really get away with calling that joke imprudent (which is what it would be at worst) since it was never even intended to be viewed except by a few people.  It would be like telling a joke among friends that you know can "take it" and not saying that joke among others.

    With so much truly obscene material available, and on an ongoing basis, what is the point of attaching to the cause things which do not support it?  On the contrary, if you were to use this as "evidence" against the NSSPX, you'd be laughed out of the room-- and rightly so, I think.  

    There's no need to grasp at straws.  Especially since grasping at straws reveals a weak argument.  We don't have a weak argument against Menzingen, so this sort of stuff is probably going to hurt more than it will help.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 24, 2014, 09:11:11 AM »
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  • Quote from: Fellay Supporter
    1.)  This video (obviously made by the videographer for internal humor purposes only) was not released by the SSPX.  It was made in the spirit of a friendly "roast", where friends "rib" each other a bit. Humor is quite good for the soul, but I have noticed that a sense of humor is really lacking in Resistance folk.
    2.)  As Fr. Girourd writes, this video was online somewhere with a note not to be shared without permission of a particular priest.  Once again, the Resistance is spreading private material without permission... which goes against the 8th Commandment.  And isn't uploading someone else's material to your own YouTube channel a violation of copyright and against 7th Commandment?
    3.)  The USA District owns and operates Angelus Press.  The video mostly shows how Mr. Vogel (who is in charge of AP) clearly has a good and friendly relationship with his bosses (Fr. Rostand, and the priest whose voice we hear directing the video shoot).  This is not a live interview, so of course there would be retakes and editing. Especially because they knew from experience that just one misspoken word or imprecise phrasing would immediately be taken out of context and used against the SSPX by the Resistance.  It takes many hours of filming as neither are used to doing interviews on videocamera, so it is most naive to think this interview could or should have been conducted in one take, perfectly, with no mistakes. That they were weary and broke composure at times is understandable.  Priests, even District Superiors, are humans, not perfectly controlled robots or gods.  They put their pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else. ( Gasp! "Oh, what an undignified thing to say about a priest!")




    Resistance folk have a great sense of humor as can be seen in the joke section of Cathinfo. But when humor involves subject matter that has to do with duping SSPX members, then it is inappropriate and shocking.

    Regarding your third point, note well what Father Girouard says in his Editorial of February 22, 2014:

     "But why did Fr. Rostand need to learn his lines? If you are a priest and are telling the truth, you don’t need to learn how to answer simple questions! But if you are playing with the truth, if you try to outsmart and mislead the auditor, as we showed in our 4th point, and/or if your interview had been “scripted” by Menzingen, then I guess you have to learn your lines."


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    « Reply #6 on: February 24, 2014, 09:11:35 AM »
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  • Fellay Supporter, bottom line... there is no privacy on the internet...NONE!  If you post it, anywhere, at anytime, it's fare game.  Even my nine year old knows that.  If you don't want others to see it, don't post it.  Loose lips sink ships.  In this case, loose Clips, sink Clerics.

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    « Reply #7 on: February 24, 2014, 10:36:47 AM »
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    Dear Fellay Supporter,

    What this video shows is a peek into what goes on behind closed doors.  The reason it is something that Fr. Rostand wants to hide from view is that it shows how he is eager to take pleasure in mocking the faith of Catholics who are stuck in the "old way."  They're a joke.  It's time to "move on."  Have you ever heard of move on before?*

    Quote from: Fellay Supporter
    1.)  This video (obviously made by the videographer for internal humor purposes only) was not released by the SSPX.  It was made in the spirit of a friendly "roast", where friends "rib" each other a bit. Humor is quite good for the soul, but I have noticed that a sense of humor is really lacking in Resistance folk.


    Yes, humor for internal purposes only, because if the faithful realize they're the brunt of these jokes, they might wake up.  And the Menzingen-denizens can't have that happening! Oh, no!  Why, they might stop putting their scarce pocket cash into the collection basket if they knew that behind the sacristy door, they are the brunt of the jokes.  I wonder how many jokes they have about Fellay Supporter.  Would you like to hear one of them?

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    2.)  As Fr. Girourd [sic] writes, this video was online somewhere with a note not to be shared without permission of a particular priest.  Once again, the Resistance is spreading private material without permission... which goes against the 8th Commandment.  And isn't uploading someone else's material to your own YouTube channel a violation of copyright and against 7th Commandment?


    Oh, how scrupulous can we be, when the truth be known?  Truth has power when it is made known to all, but falsehood only has power when it is kept secret.  The fact that you would have this kept secret shows which side it's on.  And now you want to make it a matter of morality?  What about the morality of making jokes at the expense of those who believe you have their interests at heart?  BTW, if you're going to refer to the great Fr. Girouard, you really ought to work on spelling his name correctly.

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    3.)  The USA District owns and operates Angelus Press.  The video mostly shows how Mr. Vogel (who is in charge of AP) clearly has a good and friendly relationship with his bosses (Fr. Rostand, and the priest whose voice we hear directing the video shoot).  This is not a live interview, so of course there would be retakes and editing.


    You obviously know all about these people -- maybe you're one of them.  You certainly know each of them personally.  It's not a "live" interview because it needs to be scripted.  Why scripted?  Well, certain scrupulous eyes have to view it first, that's why.  They can't have any 'cats' getting out of the 'bag'.  It's all about image.  The image they want to portray is a serious, and dignified image, like priests are supposed to have.  The trouble is, now we can see why Fr. Rostand has such a STIFF manner in front of the camera.  It's because he's reasonably AFRAID that if his true self were made known there would be consequences.  

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    Especially because they knew from experience that just one misspoken word or imprecise phrasing would immediately be taken out of context and used against the SSPX by the Resistance.  


    Taken out of context?  So you actually believe that Internet rumour??  Manager Fellay (Mgr. means 'manager' in English) has fooled you too, eh?  You're a willing accomplice to his devious deception!  But he told you not to believe Internet rumours!  Oh, right, you SHOULD believe HIS Internet rumours, but you should NOT believe certain other things when it's not HIS Internet rumour. Like what 'certain' other things?  Well, nobody knows, do they?  That's another big mystery.  BTW he has never given any example of what he means by an Internet rumour.  That's another dark secret that has to be hidden from view, like the out-takes of Fr. Rostand and Mr. Vogel and the "other priest whose voice we hear directing the video shoot."  

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    It takes many hours of filming as neither are used to doing interviews on videocamera, so it is most naive to think this interview could or should have been conducted in one take, perfectly, with no mistakes.


    Mistake = laughing when one is trying hard not to let the viewers know how funny you really think their innocence is.  If they only knew the "rest of the story!"  

    Where's Paul Harvey when you need him?**  

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    That they were weary and broke composure at times is understandable.  Priests, even District Superiors, are humans, not perfectly controlled robots or gods.  They put their pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else. ( Gasp! "Oh, what an undignified thing to say about a priest!")


    So, you're saying they only wear a cassock when someone might see them, and therefore the cassock is a costume?  It's something they wear only to APPEAR to be traditional, correct?  They put on airs of Tradition to keep the collection basket full of donations coming in, correct?  Or was that supposed to be another out-take, Fellay Exposer -- I mean Supporter? (Sorry, that was a blooper! Don't take it out of context!)

    You should keep posting.  You have a lot to say.  


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    « Reply #8 on: February 24, 2014, 11:15:58 AM »
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  • Angelus Press should now be on the watch list for possible watering down of doctrine in their publications.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 24, 2014, 12:28:45 PM »
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  • Quote from: Fellay Supporter
    1.)  This video (obviously made by the videographer for internal humor purposes only) was not released by the SSPX.  It was made in the spirit of a friendly "roast", where friends "rib" each other a bit. Humor is quite good for the soul, but I have noticed that a sense of humor is really lacking in Resistance folk.
    2.)  As Fr. Girourd writes, this video was online somewhere with a note not to be shared without permission of a particular priest.  Once again, the Resistance is spreading private material without permission... which goes against the 8th Commandment.  And isn't uploading someone else's material to your own YouTube channel a violation of copyright and against 7th Commandment?
    3.)  The USA District owns and operates Angelus Press.  The video mostly shows how Mr. Vogel (who is in charge of AP) clearly has a good and friendly relationship with his bosses (Fr. Rostand, and the priest whose voice we hear directing the video shoot).  This is not a live interview, so of course there would be retakes and editing. Especially because they knew from experience that just one misspoken word or imprecise phrasing would immediately be taken out of context and used against the SSPX by the Resistance.  It takes many hours of filming as neither are used to doing interviews on videocamera, so it is most naive to think this interview could or should have been conducted in one take, perfectly, with no mistakes. That they were weary and broke composure at times is understandable.  Priests, even District Superiors, are humans, not perfectly controlled robots or gods.  They put their pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else. ( Gasp! "Oh, what an undignified thing to say about a priest!")



    Mr. or Mrs. Fellay Supporter ( perhaps you should have named yourself Vogel/Rostand Supporter, really)   I have quoted your ridiculous apologist post above to only keep in front of people's eyes the official position of the SSPX leadership in this distasteful video.  Were it to occur in corporate America, the people involved would be axed.  Neil has done an excellent job in stripping away your pitiful arguments at damage control.  

    Here are a few take away's that haven't been noted:

    1.) Both men APPEAR to have been drinking alcohol during the taping session and perhaps this is the reason they turn goofy during the shoot.  A water glass is not in sight, but I do see what COULD be scotch or whiskey on the rocks and something in a red cup in Mr. Vogel's hand.  Their actions exhibit the foolish demeanor a man gets when he is tipsy.  If they were NOT drinking, their actions belie the discussion of people given serious responsibilities when they should be doing God's best to glorify Him.  We are talking about the Church here, in case your forgot.

    2.) That you come on a forum (that you shouldn't really be viewing anyway, you know) to support this type of clownish video disgraces you.  Perhaps you are one of the participants as Neil suggested, but that doesn't really matter.  In your place, the SSPX District House should, today, issue an apology on their website for their disgraceful attitude and handling of an interview that THEY used to communicate with the folks who pay the bills.  Absent that, the stupid folks who DO pay the freight should close their check books and fold their arms.  

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    « Reply #10 on: February 24, 2014, 01:04:16 PM »
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     "But why did Fr. Rostand need to learn his lines? If you are a priest and are telling the truth, you don’t need to learn how to answer simple questions! But if you are playing with the truth, if you try to outsmart and mislead the auditor, as we showed in our 4th point, and/or if your interview had been “scripted” by Menzingen, then I guess you have to learn your lines."



    So much this.

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    You obviously know all about these people -- maybe you're one of them.  You certainly know each of them personally.  It's not a "live" interview because it needs to be scripted.  Why scripted?  Well, certain scrupulous eyes have to view it first, that's why.  They can't have any 'cats' getting out of the 'bag'.  It's all about image.  The image they want to portray is a serious, and dignified image, like priests are supposed to have.  The trouble is, now we can see why Fr. Rostand has such a STIFF manner in front of the camera.  It's because he's reasonably AFRAID that if his true self were made known there would be consequences.  


    AND THIS!
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    « Reply #11 on: February 24, 2014, 01:08:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Ekim
    Fellay Supporter, bottom line... there is no privacy on the internet...NONE!  If you post it, anywhere, at anytime, it's fare game.  Even my nine year old knows that.  If you don't want others to see it, don't post it.  Loose lips sink ships.  In this case, loose Clips, sink Clerics.

    There is no reasonable expectation of privacy on the internet...PERIOD!


    I was under the impression that he meant the video was never meant to be posted in the first place, not that it was posted but not intended to be viewed.

    If it was posted on the internet, then naturally it is public and anyone who claims otherwise to some right to privacy must be very, very new to the internet.

    I still think that it's hardly a "total obscenity" as described by the OP.  As to the memorizing of lines, I suppose there's a point to be had there but it's par for the course in any production (even in print media) to carefully review answers to questions since once it's out there, it's out there.  Fr Pfeiffer might be realizing that now that everyone's nervous about his recent statements viz. Ratzinger and Satanic ritualism.  

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    « Reply #12 on: February 24, 2014, 01:25:12 PM »
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     "But why did Fr. Rostand need to learn his lines? If you are a priest and are telling the truth, you don’t need to learn how to answer simple questions! But if you are playing with the truth, if you try to outsmart and mislead the auditor, as we showed in our 4th point, and/or if your interview had been “scripted” by Menzingen, then I guess you have to learn your lines."



    So much this.

    Quote from: Neil


    You obviously know all about these people -- maybe you're one of them.  You certainly know each of them personally.  It's not a "live" interview because it needs to be scripted.  Why scripted?  Well, certain scrupulous eyes have to view it first, that's why.  They can't have any 'cats' getting out of the 'bag'.  It's all about image.  The image they want to portray is a serious, and dignified image, like priests are supposed to have.  The trouble is, now we can see why Fr. Rostand has such a STIFF manner in front of the camera.  It's because he's reasonably AFRAID that if his true self were made known there would be consequences.  


    AND THIS!


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    « Reply #13 on: February 24, 2014, 01:49:33 PM »
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  • I understand the concept that you have out-takes for a produced (non-live) interview.

    But there are outtakes, and then there are outtakes.

    If a normal "truth-telling" person was doing an interview like this, he might make some mistakes and mutter "let's do it over" and whatnot. Of course he wouldn't want his stuttering, mistakes, slip-ups, etc. released in the final product. But joking around and showing his "true self" between usable segments? That's a different story.

    Wanting to have something "polished" or "perfect" for public consumption is one thing. Being fake or putting on a scripted, false front is another.

    I think this video demonstrates the latter.

    I agree with Mithrandylan that this video isn't a "total obscenity" -- HOWEVER, I do believe it demonstrates the very real (and serious) problem of Menzingen taking a new path -- the path of the World -- with media branding campaigns, disinformation, propaganda, fake and scripted interviews, changing one's message depending on the audience, etc.

    In that respect, it IS a black eye for the US District. It reminds us of why we're resisting.

    In other words, this video doesn't reveal anything we didn't know already. We already knew that Fr. Rostand was doing fake "interviews" with his employee (Jim Vogel), which is a joke. So the whole thing is a joke, and we already knew that. So this bloopers video demonstrates nothing new.
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    « Reply #14 on: February 24, 2014, 01:59:55 PM »
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  • And the post on page 2 by "Fellay Supporter" is just shameful.

    Talk about blind, cult leader following!

    "It's a non-live interview, of course there will be outtakes!" "This is not a live interview, so of course there would be retakes and editing." just doesn't cut it, sorry.

    And even if this video looks like all other movie outtake videos you've seen -- remember, those movie outtakes involved ACTORS and WORLDLY PEOPLE.

    The SSPX *should be* different than Hollywood, and priests should be different than Brad Pitt.

    Edited (see above, where I crossed out my inaccurate original, and replaced it with the actual quote). Let the reader be the judge: Did I lose the sense of the original quote, or distort what was said?
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