The Society remains faithful to its essential mission and to the work and spirit of our founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

Um, I don't think so. Attempting to sell-out to Rome (and expelling anyone who speaks out against a "reconciliation") is NOT remaining faithful to the work and spirit of Archbishop Lefebvre.

with the goal of dividing

“There are some discrepancies in the society,” said Bishop Bernard Fellay. “I cannot exclude that there might be a split.”

Bishop Fellay went against the advice of the three bishops, and started making moves that would have put the SSPX at the mercy of the conciliar establishment, which he himself admitted could cause a split.

He is the one who was working to bring about a result that would send the Archbishop's work to ruin, without regard for the damage and confusion and opposition it would provoke from his own priests and bishops.

What bishop? - A bishop that would meet the Vatican's requirements? In that case, they will have a bishop who gently, gently will bring them round to the Council - that's obvious. They will never obtain a bishop who is fully Traditional, opposed to the errors of the Council and to the post-Conciliar reforms. That is why the Fraternity of St. Peter did not, in fact, sign the same protocol as we did, because they do not have a bishop.

And indeed, in Bishop Fellay, now the SSPX has such a bishop, whereas the other three bishops, who are told to shut-up

Once again, I do not think it possible for a community to remain faithful to the Faith and Tradition if the bishops do not have this Faith and fidelity to Tradition. It's impossible. Say what you will, the Church consists first and foremost of bishops. Even if the priests are of your way of thinking, the priests are influenced by the bishops. Whichever way you look at it, the bishops make the priests, and so guide priests, either in the seminaries or in preaching or in retreats or in any number of ways. It is impossible to maintain Tradition with progressive bishops.

How often have we heard Bishop Fellay speak of requests for SSPX "help" - who can but roll their eyes at this talk?

Such things are easy to say. To stay inside the Church, or to put oneself inside the Church - what does that mean? Firstly, what Church are we talking about? If you mean the Conciliar Church, then we who have struggled against the Council for twenty years because we want the Catholic Church, we would have to re-enter this Conciliar Church in order, supposedly, to make it Catholic. That is a complete illusion. It is not the subjects that make the superiors, but the superiors who make the subjects.

And then there are the lies, the suggestion that so many of the non-sedevacantists are really "practical sedevacantists" - because they don't unquestioningly follow Bishop Fellay!  Why the Fellay apologists have come on this forum and asked us "where is the visible Church"  

This talk about the "visible Church" on the part of Dom Gerard and Mr. Madiran is childish. It is incredible that anyone can talk of the "visible Church", meaning the Conciliar Church as opposed to the Catholic Church which we are trying to represent and continue. I am not saying that we are the Catholic Church. I have never said so. No one can reproach me with ever having wished to set myself up as pope. But, we truly represent the Catholic Church such as it was before, because we are continuing what it always did. It is we who have the notes of the visible Church: One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic. That is what makes the visible Church.

We could go on and on and on and on.

But what these people can do is never answer the argument, and never stop shifting their positions, and they are the ones who rely on never-ending calumnies - as they flagrantly disregard what the Archbishop taught.

They are afraid of tiny little internet forums and wish to make them the boogy men because the Emperor has no clothes.  Their only way to pretend they are not flagrantly departing from the way the SSPX used to be is to try to silence and intimidate anyone who dares to speak out against them!

And these forums are beyond their power, whereas honest faithful Catholics and priests will be shown the door for their convictions by these people shaking hands with the modernists.

I saw this diatribe and I'm not sure if its even worth a rebuttal?

If Fr. Rostand is functioning as Menzingen's "US mouthpiece", he should be fired.  Even John McFarland could do a better job.

I never thought I would see a traditional Catholic priest stoop to this low level of discourse.  Father, please pack-up and go back home.  You need a rest.

McFreeland???  NNNNOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!  


Okay, calm down -- maybe it's not worth a rebuttal, but I'm sorry I can't help
myself...........................

I saw this on IA earlier, it looks like Fr. Rostand has decided to spew some more garbage:

http://www.sspx.org/District_Superiors_Ltrs/2012_ds_ltrs/september_2012_ds_ltr.htm

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Dear Friends and Benefactors,

Returning from the General Chapter of the Society of St. Pius X, I would like to thank you for your generous prayers for the intentions of this important meeting.

The Chapter, gathering all superiors and elder priests of the Society, went very well. As you may have already read in the official declaration of the Chapter, a profound unity was recovered - unity in our essential mission, unity in our actions, as well as unity of government under our Superior General, His Excellency Bishop Bernard Fellay.

Actually, I read the official declaration on CathInfo, one of your nemesis-websites!

Is this mythical "profound unity" in any way due to the draconian and ILLEGAL
exclusion of the one person +Fellay fears more than God? (apparently!) I shouldn't
have to remind him the day will come when he finds out first hand what Fear of
the Lord is all about, but by then it will be too late.

For now, he's stuck with Fear of His Lordship!..................  :wink:

Oh, and what of the "profound unity" with the other two bishops who somehow
managed to avoid illegally prohibited attendance? They were not too pleased with
the resolutions and the votes, but their voices were stuffed in a box like they used
to do on a bridge in London.

"London Bridge is falling down, falling down, falling down ........"

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This is a great grace for which we must be very grateful. Once again, thank you for your prayers.

You're welcome.

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It is now time for us to reflect on the events of the past few months, and why this unity was shaken in some.

Keyword: "some" -- how will it be defined? Teilhardian style? Hmmm.....

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The first reason is obviously the delicate situation we are in. Our relationship with Rome has always been a sensitive and complicated situation. However, it is not the first time we have had to deal with such complex affairs. So how did it become, for at least a few, so uncomfortable that some lost confidence in the Society and, in particular, our Superior General?

Equivalent keyword: some = a few -- ditto......

N.B. Speaking of "not the first time," this is not the first time we've had to deal
with obfuscating letters from Society District Superiors. Only previous ones were
of a higher quality than this present one. (This one reaches a new nadir of lowness.)

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Looking back on those events, it is clear that there was an organized agenda on the part of some, intending to destabilize the Society of St. Pius X.

Now, I'm sorry, I'm confused. The Menzingen-denizens organized an agenda
intending to destabilize the SSPX, and so are those the guys you're talking about???

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For years, some small groups - with increasing aggression in recent months - have attacked and tried to undermine the Society.

There you go again: dragging the Menzi-denzies into this fray. What's up, dude???

WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON, ANYWAY????

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The Superior General and those who supported him were criticized from every angle.

Translation: You pew-sitters are supposed to Pray, Pay and Obey. Get it?

We don't want to hear a PEEP from you, and don't you DARE do any THINKING.

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Everything was analyzed, not to find the truth, but in order to sow division.

All stop. We need to define "truth." Truth is what I say it is. Okay? As you were......

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It is obvious that some have used every means they could to plant discord within the Society.

Now that "some" and "a few" have been Teilhard-contexted, a new, more
general term can be substituted: "they" - and the full throttle of accusations
unleashed..................

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The first avenue used was to discredit the superiors; to lead step by step to a loss of confidence. They used continual attacks, calumnies, and distorted truths, repeating them again and again, following the well-known revolutionary adage: “Lie, lie, something will always remain.” This means that by repeating false accusations, something will eventually be believed as true; little by little, these attacks sunk into the minds of some.

There. After 6 uses of "some" the word is now abandoned, and "they" takes the
baton to anchor the relay -- doing 8, no, 9, no .... 10 laps to the finish line!!

What have "they" done?
- used continual attacks
- used continual calumnies
- used (continually) distorted truths,

What have "they" done with these things?
- repeating them again and again

What is their intention?
- following the well-known revolutionary adage: "Lie, lie, something will always remain."

How do we presume to interpret their intention?
- that by repeating false accusations something will eventually be believed as true.

What has happened now that we know how to interpret their intention?
- little by little these attacks sunk into the minds of "some."

Wait. "They" and "some" were the same people. Shouldn't it say "some others??"

Or, are we just hurling wild epithets and ad hominems around like shrapnel so it
doesn't really matter who is who anymore, and chaos reigns?

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This trend is nothing new.

It's especially familiar to the Menzingen-denizens because they practice it a lot.
Take this present letter, for example! HAHAHAHAHA

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For years, primarily sedevacantist websites have disseminated their poisonous venom with the goal of dividing and even, if possible, destroying the Society of St. Pius X.

It must be getting to be desperation time to resort to the sede canard so hastily.

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For years they have accused, in a most fallacious way, that Bishop Fellay governs the Society with a small group of priests, with the majority of priests opposed.

Fellacious way? Fellay? Fellacious way? Fellay? Fellacious way? Fellay?
Is this guy a poet, and doesn't know it? His feet show it. They're longfellows.  

So the Menzingen-denizens are not a small group of priests that kow-tow to +Fellay?
Okay, then what are they? His advisors who tell him what to do? Come on now,
fess up!

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They allege that Bishop Fellay wants to “sell out” the Society; that his goal is not the restoration of the Church or of Tradition - but to betray the work of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre. They spread the rumor that the Society has already betrayed its founder. For years they have prophesied that Bishop Fellay is going to compromise.

Aaaaaaand, did +Fellay try to compromise? Huuuuummmm? Be honest now.....

So if it isn't a "sell-out" for the Society to surrender itself for a mess of pottage,
what term would you like to use? An Equitable Sell-Out? A Mutually Beneficial Sell-
Out? Oh, I know, It would be a "Buy-In!" That's the ticket!

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All these rumors and false accusations have been spread on the Internet with many insults.

BTW if you want false accusations, rumors and Internet insults, you came to the
right place. Step Right Up! Ladieeeeees and Gennnntlemennn! Git'yer false
accusations, rumors and Internet insults Riiiiiight Heeeeerrrre!!!

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Over the past months, during which these attacks have intensified, it is noteworthy that most of the “indiscretions,” “leaks” and rumors about the Society were released on sedevacantist sites and newly-opened sites animated by the same spirit.

If you thought he was bluffing, the jig's up. He's bluffing. The one site he's
terrified of, that keeps him up at night worrying that his latest screed will fall
flat on ears that have already heard, it's CathInfo....   TA-DA!!!

(Interpreted: NOT a sede site, NOT a 'newly opened' site, and DEFINITELY not
'animated by the same spirit' -- which, by the way, has nothing to do with the
unclean spirit of Vatican II, which seems to animate Fr. Rostand)........................  :cool:

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The fury and relentlessness of these attacks - and for the most part, anonymously - is clearly obvious. They have demonstrated by their work of destruction how they are, in reality, enemies of Tradition and of the restoration of all things in Christ the King. They try to appear in sheep’s clothing, but in reality they are wolves trying to scatter and divide the flock.

Let me get this straight. +Fellay tries to betray the Society with a "deal" that
nobody else wants (but for his groupies), a "deal" that is contrary to the work
and mission of our venerable Founding Father, +ABL, who openly called for no
such deal to ever be entertained so long as Rome persists in its Modernist
corruption and heresy, and thus +Fellay becomes, for those with eyes to see and
ears to hear (let them know what the Spirit says to the Churches) a WOLF in
SHEEP'S CLOTHING, but now, Fr. Rostand is here to tell us that we who perceive
this truth are in fact the "wolves in sheep's clothing" that Holy Scripture foretells?



Excuse me, but this smacks a bit of the unforgivable sin, no???




(We've got to pause here for a word from our sponsor..............)



Oh, I know: What he's trying to say is, that we are SHEEP in WOLVES' CLOTHING,
in SHEEPS' CLOTHING. And it's really HOT in here with two costumes on!!

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They in fact show more hatred toward the Society than the anti-Catholic media!

Would Fr. Rostand even recognize Our Lord if He were to walk into the room? Pick
up your Scriptures, Father, and open to Matthew 23 and read what Our Lord had
to say to the Scribes and Pharisees. He would have the same thing to say to you,
and to Bishop Fellay, it seems to me.

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I caution the faithful not to be deceived - especially on the Internet.

Especially when you're reading this letter from Fr. Rostand on the Internet!

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Please be aware of “cyber-gossip” which is even more damaging than if it is done in person because it can be done anonymously and because of how many eyes it can reach in a short period of time.

And this is a great fear of Fr. Rostand, whose words are here for all to see, just
as the words of a mere anonymous peon like me are here to see.

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As a matter of fact, “cyber-gossiping” should be taken as a moral fault and as seriously as any kind of rumor, not only in spreading them but in going after them as well.

Gosh. If only he had jurisdiction, he could proclaim and define a new "sin" - like
Bishop Tod Brown in Orange County, who said it's a "mortal sin" to kneel after
returning from Communion. Wouldn't that be great? No wonder he's in favor of a
"deal" with Rome. Then he could have his coveted  jurisdiction!!

Or, then again, maybe not.................

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The declaration of the General Chapter shows once again, and against all the false prophecies, that the Society of St. Pius X remains united behind our Superior General. The Society remains faithful to its essential mission and to the work and spirit of our founder Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre.

Sorry, another falsehood. Fr. Rostand left out a few "nots." Like NOT united, NOT
faithful. And, while we're at it, the prophesy still stands.................

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The United States District will continue to inform you faithfully and truly on our websites (sspx.org and dici.org) about the fight for the restoration of all things in Christ the King.

With my prayers and blessing in the Immaculate Heart of Mary,

Fr. Arnaud Rostand

And, to prove this is true, the most faithful  

websites (sspx.org and dici.org) will

therefore post the complete sermons of

Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, to whose

work and spirit and essential mission the

Society remains faithful, RIIIIIIGHT????



Oh, but if you log on to sspx.org or dici.org and do NOT find those most elucidating
sermons of +ABL, then just come on over to CathInfo, and dig in, because you'd
be most welcome to do so.................
Since you obviously have an Internet connection, that is.................  :farmer:

I started laughing when I read it. I don't take Fr Rostand or Bishop Fellay seriously.Let him swing away.
 :roll-laugh1:

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...The United States District will continue to inform you faithfully and truly on our websites (sspx.org and dici.org) about the fight for the restoration of all things in Christ the King.

With my prayers and blessing in the Immaculate Heart of Mary,

Fr. Arnaud Rostand

 
It would be worthwhile for Fr. Rostand to plead with + Fellay to use all of the SSPX websites "for the restoration of all things in Christ the King" by announcing and leading a Rosary crusade for the pope to consecrate Russia to the I.H.M. as requested by Our Lady of Fatima.

This is the perfect time. Starting next Sunday, the feast of The Most Holy Rosary, October 7th and leave the SSPX in Our Lady's hands.

We are days away from the beginning of the "Year of Faith". The last time we had a "year of Faith" in 1967, Paul VI abolished the Oath Against Modernism. This year, either we will see the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, or the triumph of Modernism. What will it be? Fr. Rostand? Bishop Fellay? What do you say?