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Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
« on: October 31, 2012, 11:25:59 AM »
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  • Part 1





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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #1 on: October 31, 2012, 11:34:31 AM »
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  • Excellent!!


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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 11:44:48 AM »
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  • 17:45 of the second video is where the gentleman on the other thread, Grant, I believe, asks about being denied communion?

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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #3 on: October 31, 2012, 12:08:47 PM »
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  • Wow- listening to this is really evident that Fr. Rostand has majority support at Post Falls.

    FR. Rostand says in response to his question (in my above post):

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    I think I have about one case in the East. That person has recieved letters to remove, er, to close his website. So if you are worrried and you have not recieved letters before, you are fine too (general audience laughter). Because its its cannon law. Don't think I enjoy doing this kind of thing. I don't. I will not let people play to games. On one hand attack us, on the other hand play angels on the communion rails. (General applause again) I told that one person to whom I decided to deny communion that it is inconstansy in their thinking to have a website where you explain that Bishop Fellay has a new religion and still come to our church. This is a church of Bishop Fellay. So if the words have a meaning, either Bishop Fellay has a new Religion and then get out. Please don't stay in the new religion if  we are not Catholic anymore if we are not defending just go out of here. So on one hand saying if Bishop Fellay has started a new religion and on the other come and want from the priest of bishop Fellay to recieve the sacrament. It just doesn't make any sense to me.


    Fr Rostand is thowing out so many strawmen here. First, since when did criticizing (attacking in his words) the SSPX heirarchy make one unworthy of sacraments? Second, it is a church of Bishop Fellay?! Really?! I thought it was a church of the SSPX, founded by Archbishop LEFEBVRE, to protect against the errors of ROME? If Bishop Fellay is the one who has left the principles of the Archbishop, shouldn't that make him unworthy of the Sacraments, as opposed to those who are trying to defend them? When did it become The society of Bishop Fellay, and not that of St. Pius X founded by the Great Archbishop?

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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #4 on: October 31, 2012, 12:29:20 PM »
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  • The Society is not built upon Bishop Fellay in any way. If the pope can error, and he has the promise of the protection of the Holy Ghost (whose protection he can deny by use of His free will), why is it that Fr. Rostand (and other supporters of +Fellay) act as if he is infallible? The proof is clear- the recent acts of Menzingen are a departure from the principles of Archbishop Lefebvre. Important to him was not jurisdictional "prudence" or superficial unity, but TRUTH.


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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #5 on: October 31, 2012, 12:35:20 PM »
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  • Post Falls and St. Mary's are very cultish towns.  

    This "enthusiasm" was doubtless cooked up by the people who base their identity on +Fellay shaking hands with them.

    Recall that no one attended Father Rostand's after mass meeting at cathmomof7's chapel.

    The old DDR could produce cheering crowds when needed too.

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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #6 on: October 31, 2012, 12:35:21 PM »
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    Wow- listening to this is really evident that Fr. Rostand has majority support at Post Falls.

    Not necessarily.

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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #7 on: October 31, 2012, 12:48:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
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    Wow- listening to this is really evident that Fr. Rostand has majority support at Post Falls.

    Not necessarily.


    You're right- I suppose its easy to seem that way on audio, which is what I took it as. But I'm not certain of this- someome from there would have to confirm or deny.


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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #8 on: October 31, 2012, 04:01:22 PM »
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  • Since part 2 of the ICC conference was introduced on this thread by Catechist99, let me try to offer some more clarification about what happened there in my personal exchange with Fr. Rostand during the Q&A period.  It may not all be clear on the recording:

    I prefaced my major question to Fr. R by reading a quote from ABL, only one in a whole genre of similar quotes from the Archbishop, especially towards the end of his days on earth.  From a retreat he gave at Econe in 1987 I read:

    “Rome has lost the Faith, my dear friends.  Rome is in apostasy.  These are not words in the air.  It is the truth. Rome is in apostasy…The have left the Church..This is sure, sure, sure!”

    “Is this the position of the SSPX today,” I asked?  Because, as I testified from our experience with sspx over the last 10 years, I had never heard one priest in the Society say anything like this ever.

    Fr. Rostand replied with a qualified “yes.”  But, (and by this time most of us know the drill, and are acquainted with Menzingen-inspired spin doctoring), the Archbishop’ words must be “interpreted” in the light of the present situation, and in the “context,” etc, etc, etc.  (Need I bore you all further?)

    Then Father launched what could only have been a pre-planned, pre-anticipated pre-emptive strike:

    He asked me in a tone of off-the-cuff insouciance, (much, perhaps, like Jesus at the well, who asked the woman to go fetch her husband and return)

    “First,” he said, “I don’t know where you go (to church.)”

    I go here (ICC),” I blurted out.

    Then Father sprang what he thought was the trap:

    “Yes, but you don’t go only here.”  (Or like, Correct, you do not have a husband.  You’ve had five of them…)

    I think the playing out of the script anticipated that I should  dissolve in a pool of embarrassment.  That was not the case.

    “You know me,” I asked?

    “Oh, yes I do,” Father replied triumphantly.  (Remember, seconds earlier Father seemed to profess ignorance of me, or at least where I went to church.)

    “I know where you write on the internet,” Father continued.  Father shuffled a paper on his podium which must have been a copy of one of my internet posts.

    “You are a public man, you know,” added Father.

    (Anybody who cares a nickel about our bi-church attendance patterns will know that we have been attending the local FSSP chapel on Sundays.  They will know, furthermore, that this was allowed by our sspx prior months ago.  He said it was OK for us to do this.)

    Up til then, I’m sure Father Rostand thought he was in the driver’s seat, until I brought up the matter of Fr. Chazal’s removal by Fr. Rostand from the chapel one (morning?) last week. (The best defence is a good offence, you know)Fr. Chazal had gone in to pray his Breviary.  He sat towards the back.  Apparently, Fr. Rostand physically confronted Fr. Chazal.
     
     
    I said,“You kicked Fr. Chazal off the premises and told him never to darken the door of this establishment again” (or words to that effect)

    Fr. Rostand lost his smug demeanor momentarily.  I think maybe “kicked out” was a description of the event offensive to Father’s Continental gentility.

    “I didn’t (kick him out),” Father protested, “I (merely) told him that he was not welcome in any of the sspx chapels in the U.S.” (or words like that)
     
    Furthermore, he assured the sspx faithful that he had not called the police, a rumor, he said, which was started by Fr. Chazal.  ICC clones must have breathed a sigh of relief upon hearing this.  Any doubts or misgivings were quickly dispelled.  Father’s disclaimer had to have instantly restored their confidence in his basic kindness and decency.  
         


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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #9 on: October 31, 2012, 06:02:37 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    Since part 2 of the ICC conference was introduced on this thread by Catechist99, let me try to offer some more clarification about what happened there in my personal exchange with Fr. Rostand during the Q&A period.  It may not all be clear on the recording:

    I prefaced my major question to Fr. R by reading a quote from ABL, only one in a whole genre of similar quotes from the Archbishop, especially towards the end of his days on earth.  From a retreat he gave at Econe in 1987 I read:

    “Rome has lost the Faith, my dear friends.  Rome is in apostasy.  These are not words in the air.  It is the truth. Rome is in apostasy…The have left the Church..This is sure, sure, sure!”

    “Is this the position of the SSPX today,” I asked?  Because, as I testified from our experience with sspx over the last 10 years, I had never heard one priest in the Society say anything like this ever.

    Fr. Rostand replied with a qualified “yes.”  But, (and by this time most of us know the drill, and are acquainted with Menzingen-inspired spin doctoring), the Archbishop’ words must be “interpreted” in the light of the present situation, and in the “context,” etc, etc, etc.  (Need I bore you all further?)

    Then Father launched what could only have been a pre-planned, pre-anticipated pre-emptive strike:

    He asked me in a tone of off-the-cuff insouciance, (much, perhaps, like Jesus at the well, who asked the woman to go fetch her husband and return)

    “First,” he said, “I don’t know where you go (to church.)”

    I go here (ICC),” I blurted out.

    Then Father sprang what he thought was the trap:

    “Yes, but you don’t go only here.”  (Or like, Correct, you do not have a husband.  You’ve had five of them…)

    I think the playing out of the script anticipated that I should  dissolve in a pool of embarrassment.  That was not the case.

    “You know me,” I asked?

    “Oh, yes I do,” Father replied triumphantly.  (Remember, seconds earlier Father seemed to profess ignorance of me, or at least where I went to church.)

    “I know where you write on the internet,” Father continued.  Father shuffled a paper on his podium which must have been a copy of one of my internet posts.

    “You are a public man, you know,” added Father.

    (Anybody who cares a nickel about our bi-church attendance patterns will know that we have been attending the local FSSP chapel on Sundays.  They will know, furthermore, that this was allowed by our sspx prior months ago.  He said it was OK for us to do this.)

    Up til then, I’m sure Father Rostand thought he was in the driver’s seat, until I brought up the matter of Fr. Chazal’s removal by Fr. Rostand from the chapel one (morning?) last week. (The best defence is a good offence, you know)Fr. Chazal had gone in to pray his Breviary.  He sat towards the back.  Apparently, Fr. Rostand physically confronted Fr. Chazal.
     
     
    I said,“You kicked Fr. Chazal off the premises and told him never to darken the door of this establishment again” (or words to that effect)

    Fr. Rostand lost his smug demeanor momentarily.  I think maybe “kicked out” was a description of the event offensive to Father’s Continental gentility.

    “I didn’t (kick him out),” Father protested, “I (merely) told him that he was not welcome in any of the sspx chapels in the U.S.” (or words like that)
     
    Furthermore, he assured the sspx faithful that he had not called the police, a rumor, he said, which was started by Fr. Chazal.  ICC clones must have breathed a sigh of relief upon hearing this.  Any doubts or misgivings were quickly dispelled.  Father’s disclaimer had to have instantly restored their confidence in his basic kindness and decency.  
         



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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #10 on: October 31, 2012, 06:06:50 PM »
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  • you should have asked about the words "we cannot collaborate, it's impossible"

    - even if they fulfill the conditions.

    See the video in the signature.


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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #11 on: November 01, 2012, 08:20:56 AM »
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  • I listened to the first part, fell asleep twice!

    Fr. Rostand is not a speaker that captures his audience.  It's an hour of smacking
    lips, hemming and hawing, and very little substance.  It could easily have been
    made in 10 minutes, 20 tops.  

    I thought I saw a comment that he spent only one minute on +Williamson, but I
    checked and there are 4:10 specifically on +W, from 41:50 - 46:00.  

    Lots to say, but no time now.....................



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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #12 on: November 01, 2012, 01:26:20 PM »
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  • Neil Obstat:
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    I listened to the first part, fell asleep twice!

    Fr. Rostand is not a speaker that captures his audience. It's an hour of smacking
    lips, hemming and hawing, and very little substance. It could easily have been
    made in 10 minutes, 20 tops.

    I thought I saw a comment that he spent only one minute on +Williamson, but I
    checked and there are 4:10 specifically on +W, from 41:50 - 46:00.


    You crack me up. :laugh1:  It's not nice and I should feel ashamed.  But due to a fallen, sinful nature, my heart remains hardened.  Guess we might nick-name him Fr. Lippschmacher.  But no, that wouldn't work.  The man is French.  
    As you note, BTW, not a whole lot of time was spent on Bp. W.  A few obligatory remarks is all.

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    « Reply #13 on: November 01, 2012, 01:57:12 PM »
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  • Thank you for the detailed Q&A report Holly.



    And for standing your ground nicely,
    with the ever clever... Fr. "Clouseau" Rostand.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Fr. Rostand "Deal with Rome is Prudent"
    « Reply #14 on: November 01, 2012, 02:26:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Thank you for the detailed Q&A report Holly.



    And for standing your ground nicely,
    with the ever clever... Fr. "Clouseau" Rostand.


    LOL incredulous!!

    Just the picture of Clouseau attached to Rostand's lippschmacking, gave me a  :laugh1: