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Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
« on: April 12, 2023, 01:01:47 PM »
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  • Fr Paul Robinson was mentioned on another posting SSPX's MOST DANGEROUS MAN. For anyone not familiar with this priest and 'scientists,' here is a video that shows him at his worst.



    If anyone has any questions, I will be glad to give an answer.

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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #1 on: April 12, 2023, 09:03:09 PM »
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  • Fr Paul Robinson was mentioned on another posting SSPX's MOST DANGEROUS MAN. For anyone not familiar with this priest and 'scientists,' here is a video that shows him at his worst.



    If anyone has any questions, I will be glad to give an answer.
    Poor confused priest! He so believes in modern science, the same science as "safe and effective". He appears blind to the lies and the assumptions built in to so many of its atheism-favouring theories that he imagines reconcilable with Catholic truth.


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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #2 on: April 12, 2023, 10:07:20 PM »
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  • No, thanks!  I knew him when he was a gawky teen aged kid.  

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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #3 on: April 13, 2023, 05:52:23 AM »
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  • I have read at least 4 books by priests of the Catholic Church who preferred the Big Bang story of origins in preference to the supernatural revelation in Scripture:

    Fr Ernest Hull, SJ: Galileo and His Condemnation, London Catholic Truth Society, 1913.
    Fr Sean Kealy, CSSP: Science and the Bible, Columba Press, 1987.
    Fr Brendan Purcell: From the Big Bang to Big Mystery, Veritas Publications, 2012.
    Fr Paul Robinson SSPX: The Realistic Guide to religion and Science, Gracewing, 2018.

    All four ignored the Dogmas on creation;

    ‘God…creator of all visible and invisible things, of the spiritual and of the corporal; who by His own omnipotent power at once from the beginning of time created each creature from nothing, spiritual and corporal, namely, angelic and mundane, and finally the human, both of the spirit and the body.’--- Lateran Council IV, 1215.
    ‘All that exists outside God was, in its whole substance, produced out of nothing by God. (De fide.)--- Vatican Council I, 1870.

    Then there is the teaching of St Thomas Aquinas, a subject Fr Robinson teaches to seminarians of the SSPX:

    That the world began to exist is an object of faith, but not of demonstration or science. And it is useful to consider this, lest anyone, presuming to demonstrate what is of faith, should bring forward reasons that are not cogent, so as to give occasion to unbelievers to laugh, thinking that on such grounds we believe things that are of faith.’--- St. Thomas Aquinas, (Summa theolagiae I.46.2)

    In the video we saw how the presenter poured praise on Fr Robinson for his 'science,' a subject that puts 'scientists' on the top of human intelligence. In 2015, an exorcist in Barcelona said of all the sins preferred by Satan, pride was the greatest. We all want to be clever, and the cleverer the better; fallen man revels in ‘vainglory in one’s own reasoning’ as Galileo boasted. Such a talent produces an interior, personal and social satisfaction that is irresistible to those that have it. It can bring honour, glory, respect, advantage, reward, and fame to those who excel in any given field of knowledge. Sir Francis Bacon understood this very well, stating ‘knowledge itself is power.’ However, conforming and contributing to a consensus can be a path to success among one’s peers, but in regard to faith and science, the temptations involved here are enormous, for intelligence can also be the source of pride. The great academic saints such as Augustine, Aquinas and Bellarmine all knew that intellectual pride is an area that Satan has not neglected. These men refused accolades and honours, preferring instead to embrace humility and exalt divine authority and teaching. 

    Now God gave a warning that Satan is cleverer that any human and that included The elect, fgrom popes to priests, when MattheW 24:24 warned:

    Matthew 24:24: ‘For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and will show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.’

    The heliocentric heresy, even though condemned by the popes of 1616 and 1633 fooled the whole world, even the elect since 1820 at least. This heresy led directly to long ages, Darwin's evolution and the Big Bang beginning that Pope Pius XII, in 1952 told his Pontifical Academy of Sciences was God's creative act.

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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #4 on: April 13, 2023, 06:41:39 AM »
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  • So, one of the scariest parts of this, where it suggests to me that Fr. Robinson is merely a spokesman for a much deeper problem, is his statement that before he entered the seminary, he was inclined toward the "Protestant fundamentalist" view that the earth is 6,000 years old, etc.  So the seminary turned him into a Modernist?  What does this say about the SSPX seminaries?


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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #5 on: April 13, 2023, 07:19:31 AM »
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  • I just finished listening to this, and it's an unmitigated disaster and also demonstrates a great deal of mendacity on the part of Fr. Robinson.

    So, first he tries to equate evolution with chemical processes, such as elements combining for form various molecules, etc.  That's his deceptive way of rendering the term "evolution" acceptable.  But no one is discussing chemistry or even micro-evolution when rejecting the term "evolution".  But he tries to justify the term deceptively, the same way that macro-evolutionists point to micro-evolution as proof for evolution.  He goes a step further back and tries to use chemical processes to make the term acceptable.

    Then he lies about (distorts) the record of the Fathers, making it seem as though the Church Fathers were all over the map in interpreting Genesis.  He states that a "lot of Latin Fathers" believed in an instantaneous creation.  In point of fact, this was the theory almost exclusively of St. Augustine, and he wasn't certain of it.  Then he cites "Origen" as his authority for the "allegorical" interpretation of Genesis.  Not only was Origen condemned (and thus one of the few "Fathers" not considered a saint) for numerous heresies, his position was much more nuanced, as a lot of Fathers had DUAL interpretations of the Scriptures, one historical and the other allegorical, and held that both meanings were there.
    https://creation.com/origen-origins-and-allegory

    Then he goes on to praise Lyle's "uniformitarianism."  Lyle was an openly-declared enemy of the Sacred Scriptures and boasted of his desire to gut belief in them.  Kolbe Institute has done great work to show that uniformitarianism is condemned by the Church and always has been.

    Then he makes the absurd false claim (lie) that 24-hour days of creation were invented by Protestants, despite having earlier admitted that the majority of the Church Fathers actually held this view (despite his earlier appeals to Origen and a "lot of Latin Fathers", aka St. Augustine).

    He is not incorrect that St. Pius X permitted holding that the term "day" could have been longer than 24-hours, but he's obviously using this as the smokescreen to cover the rest of his unacceptable views of Sacred Scripture.  St. Pius X also declared that Genesis must be held to be historical and inerrant as a historical work, but Fr. Robinson rejects that view and ignores that aspect of the PBC's clarifications under St. Pius X.

    Finally he appeals to all these "pre Vatican II" theologians who held his Modernist views, pretending that anything pre-V2 was acceptable.  This garbage has been around in "Catholic" circles for hundreds of years.  St. Pius X had to condemn Modernism well over 100 years ago, and the assertion that if a pre-V2 theologian held a position, it must be Catholic, is utterly absurd.

    This was an extremely deceptive tactic to introduce and inject his Modernist views of Sacred Scripture into the minds of Catholics using the Trojan horse of the possible metaphorical (not allegorical) use of the term "day".  If he stopped there, I'd have no issues with him.  But we know full well that he doesn't stop there, and uses that as leverage to undermine the historicity of Sacred Scripture in general, and thus bring down on himself the condemnation of the same PBC that he deceptively appeals to as justification for his Modernism.

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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #6 on: April 13, 2023, 08:04:34 AM »
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  • Before I go on, let me confirm that rejection of a supernatural creation began when in 1820, Pope Pius VII accepted a heliocentric universe ‘according to the opinion of modern astronomers.’ By then the Nebular theory (evolution of the universe) had been established for this heliocentrism. Next came Darwin’s flora and fauna evolution in 1859. This 1820 change in Biblical interpretation, from geocentrism to heliocentrism, was confirmed by Pope Leo XIII in his 1893 Providentissimus dues. The effect this belief that the Church of 1616 and 1633 were proven wrong in their ‘faith and science’ scared churchmen so much they NEVER CONDEMNED ANY EVOLUTIONARY THEORY SINCE. This is why Pope Pius XII could allow the evolution of Adam’s body to be considered in his 1950 encyclical Humani Generis and in 1952 tell the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 1952 that the Big Bang was proof of God’s creative act. So in fact, that is why churchmen can claim the Church, Catholicism has no problem with any ‘scientific’ theory of origins except that Adam’s soul was supernaturally created for him. 

    The 1820 concession  to heliocentrism has made it impossible for any future pope since then to admit the Church was wrong in allowing a heliocentric reading of Scripture. Try to tell Catholics today that popes sine 1820, through ignorance, allowed the immediate supernatural creation by God to be lowered to the origin account of atheists, an account that was defined as formal heresy in 1616 and you will find yourself very unpopular. And Pope St Pius X  was  also caught up in it even though he condemned the Modernism this false science approved by his predecessors did not condemn. Fr Robinson in the video above was able to say 'Pope Pius X, chose  as secretary for the Biblical Commission a Fr Fukuran Vigorous, who wrote a Biblical manual for seminaries that clearly stated the evidence for an ancient Earth and supported an interpretation of Genesis ! as teaching that the Earth developed over long periods of time. 

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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #7 on: April 13, 2023, 08:13:20 AM »
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  • For those interested in the Days of Creation/Genesis issue, I fully endorse and recommend the videos of Ken Ham, a Protestant, who covers this issue almost perfectly.

    Yes, Protestant Ken Ham gets this right, while a TRAD, VALIDLY ORDAINED PRIEST Fr. Robinson gets it wrong! That's how it goes sometimes.



    For those of you in C-level Executive positions, making 6-figure salaries, you can skip ahead to the real meat at 2:30 if you need to save a couple minutes. ;)

    He makes many good points, including:

    1. No one disputes the meaning of "day" when they talk about how many days they marched around Jericho, or how many days Jonah was in the belly of the whale. But when it comes to Creation, they fall all over themselves for alternate definitions.

    2. Most important: there is no other way to interpret the Hebrew "Yom". There are certain "markers" which force the interpretation as "24 hour day". For example, when you mention morning and evening, when you put a number next to it, etc., then it means a 24 hour day. Long story short, the Holy Ghost went OUT OF HIS WAY to put in not just one, but multiple markers, kind of like He knew that idiot modernists and evolutionists in the 20th/21st century would try to play with the meaning of this particular part of Scripture.

    I really need to refer you to the actual video however. I found it enlightening, fascinating, and I learned something. I don't know much about Hebrew, so I have to rely on others who do.
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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #8 on: April 13, 2023, 08:23:08 AM »
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  • For those interested in the Days of Creation/Genesis issue, I fully endorse and recommend the videos of Ken Ham, a Protestant, who covers this issue almost perfectly.

    Yes, Protestant Ken Ham gets this right, while a TRAD, VALIDLY ORDAINED PRIEST Fr. Robinson gets it wrong! That's how it goes sometimes.



    For those of you in C-level Executive positions, making 6-figure salaries, you can skip ahead to the real meat at 2:30 if you need to save a couple minutes. ;)

    He makes many good points, including:

    1. No one disputes the meaning of "day" when they talk about how many days they marched around Jericho, or how many days Jonah was in the belly of the whale. But when it comes to Creation, they fall all over themselves for alternate definitions.

    2. Most important: there is no other way to interpret the Hebrew "Yom". There are certain "markers" which force the interpretation as "24 hour day". For example, when you mention morning and evening, when you put a number next to it, etc., then it means a 24 hour day. Long story short, the Holy Ghost went OUT OF HIS WAY to put in not just one, but multiple markers, kind of like He knew that idiot modernists and evolutionists in the 20th/21st century would try to play with the meaning of this particular part of Scripture.

    I really need to refer you to the actual video however. I found it enlightening, fascinating, and I learned something. I don't know much about Hebrew, so I have to rely on others who do.

    Yes, and the vast majority of the Church Fathers held that these were literal 24-hour days, despite Father Robinson claim that there were 3 "schools" of thought.  Basically there was St. Augustine's theory that creation happened in an instant and Origen (widely discredited and condemned for numerous heresies) who arguably has an "allegorical" view (although not necessarily exclusively allegorical).

    If Fr. Robinson stopped there, I'd not condemn him for it, as St. Pius X's PBC did say that such speculation was permitted.  But he goes WAY beyond a metaphorical understanding of "day".

    Here's a problem with Father Robinson which shows him to be in contradiction with himself.  PBC under St. Pius X said that it was permitted to speculate about the meaning of "day" because the sun was created only on the 4th day.  Does Father Robinson believe that the sun was created AFTER the earth?  Absolutely not.  So then he's very disingenuous and deceptive in appealing to that PBC ruling, which permits it only on the grounds that the sun was created after the earth.

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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #9 on: April 13, 2023, 08:27:05 AM »
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  • I just finished listening to this, and it's an unmitigated disaster and also demonstrates a great deal of mendacity on the part of Fr. Robinson.

    So, first he tries to equate evolution with chemical processes, such as elements combining for form various molecules, etc.  That's his deceptive way of rendering the term "evolution" acceptable.  But no one is discussing chemistry or even micro-evolution when rejecting the term "evolution".  But he tries to justify the term deceptively, the same way that macro-evolutionists point to micro-evolution as proof for evolution.  He goes a step further back and tries to use chemical processes to make the term acceptable.


    I read parts of the Fr. Robinson book, and he holds a bizarre "hybrid" position which involves this strange concept. He endorses what he labels "cosmic evolution" which involves the whole Big Bang situation (that the Big Bang was basically evidence of God's "act of creation", concepts of star and galaxy formation, star formation, chemical processes, etc.).

    Then, later on in the book towards the end, he entirely rejects biological macroevolution ( monkey to man etc.) on the basis of philosophy (partly from St. Thomas or others), as well as lack of biological evidence. So the end result is pretty weird...he believes in the Big Bang cosmologists (what he calls "cosmic evolution") for formation of the universe, but (correctly) rejects macroevolution of animals (biological evolution) for formation of species. Altogether, a very strange and seemingly inconsistent combination...

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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #10 on: April 13, 2023, 08:28:38 AM »
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  • Fr. Robinson gets to have the dishonor of being corrected by MARTIN LUTHER of all people.

    Yes, Martin Luther is the good guy in this particular quote! (Remember, there is no such thing as "pure evil" especially in human beings! Outside of Hollywood movies and cartoons, of course.)
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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #11 on: April 13, 2023, 08:29:02 AM »
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  • For Good Friday this year, I read Dom Gueranger’s Liturgical Year to the family.  We got to the part where he recounts that when the cross was set in the hole that had been dug to keep it upright on Golgotha, it struck the skull of Adam located beneath it.

    My first thought was, “Yes, I could see how a human skull could last 5,000 years, but billions of years??  No.  Nothing material lasts billions of years.”
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #12 on: April 13, 2023, 08:35:57 AM »
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  • So the end result is pretty weird...he believes in the Big Bang cosmologists (what he calls "cosmic evolution") for formation of the universe, but (correctly) rejects macroevolution of animals (biological evolution) for formation of species. Altogether, a very strange and seemingly inconsistent combination...

    That is bat-shit insane. I'm sorry. There's only one reason to adopt "random chance and millions of years" to explain all the wonders of this brilliant-design-and-order-filled Creation, and that's to escape the reality that God created the world, God created US, we have an immortal soul, we have been given Commandments by God, we owe God our love, obedience, and respect, and we will be judged by God one day.

    It's like he can't quite bring himself to go whole-hog on the Modernism. No matter. Fr. Paul Robinson is the priest equivalent of Pope Paul VI, who was a divided man, a split personality. I'll never forget the artwork that was done of him -- it accurately captured his essence. I wish I had a copy of it.

    But remember, Paul VI implemented the Novus Ordo Missae, while also declaring that "The smoke of satan" has entered the Church. He was a two-faced man. A torn man, a tragic figure.

    Fr. Robinson might be able to accept God in the picture in his "hybrid worldview" he's come up with, but I'd bet you any amount of money that FUTURE GENERATIONS of Trads, influenced by him and men like him, will take his destruction of Genesis 1, his acceptance of "miracles can happen if you allow blind chance to run for millions of years" -- and RUN WITH IT. They'll go ALL THE WAY with the evolutionists -- including Molecules To Man evolution of life.
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    Re: Fr Robinson SSPX SSPX's most dangerous man.
    « Reply #13 on: April 13, 2023, 08:39:33 AM »
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  • For Good Friday this year, I read Dom Gueranger’s Liturgical Year to the family.  We got to the part where he recounts that when the cross was set in the hole that had been dug to keep it upright on Golgotha, it struck the skull of Adam located beneath it.

    My first thought was, “Yes, I could see how a human skull could last 5,000 years, but billions of years??  No.  Nothing material lasts billions of years.”

    Yes, that's what I thought when I learned about all the organic tissue they're finding in dinosaur bones. Cells that are still intact! When faced with that reality, they are "baffled" and don't want to think about it. They even say "some chemical process we don't yet know about must be at work here, to keep these cells preserved for millions of years..." rather than question the millions of years.

    There are none so blind as those who will not see -- or who blind themselves.
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    « Reply #14 on: April 13, 2023, 08:49:12 AM »
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  • P.S. I only know one other man (born after 1975) who accepted a "hybrid" cosmology, where God created the Big Bang, etc.

    He was my cousin. He almost bragged how his belief didn't make him popular with the scientists OR religious creationists. Where is he today? Oh, he's an apostate. He gave a lame excuse why he left the Faith. But he bragged on Myspace to the world at large, so I eventually learned what "got" him. It was the old "Sixth and Ninth". He lost his innocence early in High School. Classic and tragic. Nothing darkens the intellect or destroys souls as much as slavery to one's base passions.

    We were friends as teens, but he never told me about his activities with the girls. He just talked about "making out". He didn't say anything about fornication -- until he told the whole world, about 10 years later. Maybe because he knew I was a good Catholic and I wouldn't approve?

    But Our Lady did say that more souls go to Hell from sins of the flesh than any other sin.
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