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Offline SeanJohnson

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Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
« on: May 15, 2021, 04:46:43 PM »
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  • SSPX says the Resistance is more dangerous to souls than Ecclesia Dei

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    http://tradcatresist.blogspot.com/2021/05/sspx-resistance-more-dangerous-to-souls.html?m=1

    In a recent article (here) author of The Realist Guide to Religion and Science, Fr Paul Robinson has this to say about the attendance at masses by priests who support the 'Resistance' position:

    "On the other extreme are those situations where an SSPX priest knows that a certain non-SSPX traditionalist venue is a grave danger to the faith.
    Frankly, most, if not all, of the Resistance Masses would fall into this category. In many cases, the behavior of these priests has been and continues to be scandalous, by their spirit, their preaching, and their indiscriminate conferral of the priesthood and episcopacy. To attend a Mass with such ongoing scandals poses a serious danger to the souls of the faithful."

    Well should one expect anything else from an organisation hemorrhaging its ideological laity to the Resistance due to its support of the jab? Well what about its attitude to Ecclesia Dei?

    To quote Fr Robinson:

    "For instance, the Institute of Christ the King has a reputation of loving liturgical beauty, but of not being doctrinally profound. While this is a concern, and one that needs to be mentioned and considered, I don’t think it represents a grave danger to the faith. If I were asked about attendance with the ICK, I would mention the concern and tell the faithful that it is for him to decide, unless I had much more specific information about the priest celebrating the Mass."

    How about the FSSP?

    "As such, I would see myself as being disloyal to the Archbishop and the SSPX if I positively recommended to someone that he attend an FSSP Mass. But, at the same time, I would not tell them they should not attend unless I saw a grave danger to the faith."

    The Sedevacantists are conspicuous by their absence but as far as Fr Robinson is concerned, the Ecclesia Dei groups do not pose a serious threat to the Faith whilst the Resistance does. There are undoubtably many questions to be asked about this shocking article but perhaps one of the most fundamental is the following. Is it the case that SSPX priests ordained in the last number of years feel far more of an affinity with Ecclesia Dei than with those who left the SSPX over the argument regarding a doctrinal or practical solution? Whilst not necessarily agreeing with the Resistance position, do the likes of Fr's Black, Webber, Rusak, Scott, (Kevin) Robinson, etc actually believe this guff? Does Fr Pagliarani?!

    Whilst Fr Robinson makes the disclaimer that the article represents his, as opposed to the Fraternity's position, it will be interesting to see if the article is withdrawn as quickly as Fr Burfitt's critisising the CÖVÌD jab.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #1 on: May 15, 2021, 05:14:44 PM »
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  • Convenient for Fr. Paul Robinson to concentrate his fire on his most vocal critics.

    On the contrary, one could say that reading Reverend Robinson's book "The Realist Guide to Religion and Science" is a grave danger to the Faith.

    He even invoked a dead heretic to give his book the modernist imprimatur.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #2 on: May 15, 2021, 05:26:02 PM »
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  • Is this priest (P.Robinson) still pastor at St Isadore the Farmer in Watkins CO?
    I haven't been out there in a while and wasn't sure.

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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #3 on: May 15, 2021, 05:46:40 PM »
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  • Is this priest (P.Robinson) still pastor at St Isadore the Farmer in Watkins CO?
    I haven't been out there in a while and wasn't sure.

    Yes
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #4 on: May 15, 2021, 05:56:34 PM »
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  • Quote
    "On the other extreme are those situations where an SSPX priest knows that a certain non-SSPX traditionalist venue is a grave danger to the faith.
    Frankly, most, if not all, of the Resistance Masses would fall into this category. In many cases, the behavior of these priests has been and continues to be scandalous, by their spirit, their preaching, and their indiscriminate conferral of the priesthood and episcopacy. To attend a Mass with such ongoing scandals poses a serious danger to the souls of the faithful."

    What a crock of shit.

    Unless you're talking about Fr. Pfeiffer, this charge is completely bogus. But my condemnation is correct: he specifically says most, if not all, of the Resistance Masses fit the category of being a "grave danger to the faith".

    The Resistance outside Pfeifferville hasn't ordained many priests. And Bp. Williamson was just as circuмspect and wise in his choice of candidates -- as well as reserved in number -- as Archbishop Lefebvre was in 1988. And in fact, they both consecrated bishops for the same reason.

    Do you realize how long it's been since the last of the 3 bishops was consecrated? It's been 4 years! And the SSPX hasn't shown the slightest indication it is still willing to consecrate a single bishop without Roman Conciliar Church approval. Bps. +Tissier and +De Galarreta are getting older every year. Time has only vindicated +Williamson, showing him to be absolutely correct in his judgment.

    How the SSPX has changed!

    I remember an SSPX priest shook me out of my pride in 2002 or so, when I was talking down an independent priest who had himself consecrated a bishop. The priest rightly pointed out that, if he was doing so for the good of the Church, it would be hypocritical for we in the SSPX to condemn him. I remember being taken aback by his response -- I was hoping we'd have a nice little "bash the unprofessional independent priest" session. This was from Fr. Robert MacPherson of Canada (when he was still a Deacon). How balanced and objective was his thinking! True, we might get uncomfortable when you don't have large congregations, large bank accounts, professional organizations with a strict Rule, tons of hierarchical structure and oversight, etc. but when it comes right down to it, fundamentals are fundamentals.

    The SSPX with all their reputation, money, congregation size, years in business, is NO MORE JUSTIFIED in running an uncanonical chapel than a single independent priest saying Mass in someone's garage.

    In other words:

    The SSPX's largest chapel in the USA with hundreds of (or even several thousand) parishioners, 4+ resident priests, 4 million in the bank, worldwide fame, and the chapel going back to 1975

    vs.

    A new Mass center where an independent priest says Mass twice a month in a garage, basement, or warehouse owned by a layman -- for just 2 families.


    There is NO DIFFERENCE in legitimacy between these, since both are un-canonical. Yes, the accidentals are quite different. But in every meaningful metric that matters, they are absolutely identical.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #5 on: May 15, 2021, 06:14:09 PM »
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  • Robinson is a great danger to the faith.  Apart from effectively endorsing Modernism in a book that will someday be on the Index, now this nonsense?

    If he believes that there are no issues with ICK and FSSP, then this man is a formal schismatic, lacking any and all justification for not being in full communion with the Church.

    This man is incredibly arrogant, which comes across in his demeanor when he speaks, the way he disparages those who take a Catholic view of cosmology to be idiots, etc.  He has the same arrogance I saw among the Jesuit Modernists I was taught by for 8 years.  I can spot a Modernist ten miles away, and he is definitely one of them.  This guy needs to be banned from public speaking and writing and sent to either a monastery or a tiny mission in Zimbabwe.

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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #6 on: May 15, 2021, 06:22:17 PM »
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  • Yes, Matthew, the SSPX lie and try to give the impression to the faithful that they are in Communion with the “Church” simply because Bergoglio made a concession in supplying official jurisdiction for Confession and Matrimony.  XavierSem peddles the same lies here.

    I’ve heard NO prelates repeatedly denounce that assertion, saying it was just Bergoglio showing compassion to the confused SSPX faithful who may have been born into it and not known anything else.

    It’s been repeatedly affirmed that the SSPX have no legitimate ministry in the Church.

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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #7 on: May 15, 2021, 06:29:26 PM »
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  • The part which struck me most was the complete disregard for the merely probable (ie., doubtful) validity of the Ecclesia Dei ordinations coming from questionably ordained bishops.

    He doesn’t even make mention of it.

    That’s the NWO-SSPX.

    When Ladislaus, Matthew, and I were in the seminary, this would have been the very first concern mentioned by practically every SSPX priest.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #8 on: May 15, 2021, 06:38:58 PM »
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  • The part which struck me most was the complete disregard for the merely probable (ie., doubtful) validity of the Ecclesia Dei ordinations coming from questionably ordained bishops.

    He doesn’t even make mention of it.

    That’s the NWO-SSPX.

    When Ladislaus, Matthew, and I were in the seminary, this would have been the very first concern mentioned by practically every SSPX priest.

    Let's be fair. Same thing in Williamson's pockets of resistance. What about Williamson's disregard for the invalidity of the NOM as a whole?
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #9 on: May 15, 2021, 06:40:26 PM »
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  • Let's be fair. Same thing in Williamsons pockets of resistance. What about Williamson's disregard for the invalidity of the NOM as a whole?
    The per se invalidity of the NOM was never Lefebvre’s or the SSPX’s position, therefore neither is it Williamson’s.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #10 on: May 15, 2021, 06:44:57 PM »
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  • The per se invalidity of the NOM was never Lefebvre’s or the SSPX’s position, therefore neither is it Williamson’s.

    You feel that "merely probable (ie., doubtful) validity" is enough to accuse the neo SSPX. To be fair, you would have to treat Williamson the same way.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #11 on: May 15, 2021, 06:47:06 PM »
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  • You feel that "merely probable (ie., doubtful) validity" is enough to accuse the neo SSPX. To be fair, you would have to treat Williamson the same way.
    Oh, I see what you’re saying now.  Never thought of that before.  I guess that makes sense.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #12 on: May 15, 2021, 06:49:33 PM »
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  • Oh, I see what you’re saying now.  Never thought of that before.  I guess that makes sense.
    Ok. 
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #13 on: May 15, 2021, 07:11:24 PM »
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  • The part which struck me most was the complete disregard for the merely probable (ie., doubtful) validity of the Ecclesia Dei ordinations coming from questionably ordained bishops.

    He doesn’t even make mention of it.

    That’s the NWO-SSPX.

    When Ladislaus, Matthew, and I were in the seminary, this would have been the very first concern mentioned by practically every SSPX priest.

    Yes, the validity of the NO Sacraments has become dogmatic fact for the SSPX now.  

    Conditional ordinations of NO priests coming over to Tradition were a regular occurrence at STAS.  Archbishop Lefebvre once conditionally ordained a priest who had been ordained by Wojtyla in Rome.   :laugh1:  Fr. Carlos Casavantes.  Fr. told me that he had no doubt about his validity but that many of the faithful did, so he got the conditional done so that their consciences would not be disturbed.  For SSPX, if your conscience doesn’t match theirs, then you can go pound salt.  These guys act like they have authority to bind consciences.  They really do act like a schismatic Anti-Church ... pretending that they have authority only the Church has, requiring obedience from priests while disobeying the hierarchy themselves.  

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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
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  • The Sedevacantists are conspicuous by their absence 
    He actually mentions sedevacantist chapels in the  video/podcast corresponding to this article.  He explicitly says it is preferable to attending a Resistance Mass, which is quite comical and impossible to explain outside of "bad blood."  
    On another note, while I definitely find it absurd for the neo sspx to consider the "validity" of Novus Ordo sacraments to be a dogmatic fact, it does flow necessarily from their assertion that the papacy of bergoglio is a dogmatic fact. 
    Here is a link to the video, for those who can stomach it.  I dont recall the timestamp.
      https://youtu.be/lgCv5Rohu24