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Offline apollo

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Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
« Reply #45 on: May 24, 2021, 08:55:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 24, 2021, 08:48:33 AM
    Fr. Laisney's assertion is insane.

    Basically saying that war is not moral, if there is ANY WAY you can live at peace with your enemy -- including surrender.
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    And that pretty much sums up what B. Fellay did.  And now we are getting the
    attempt to justify it by using Latin and quoting St Augustine.  Sounds good if
    you turn off your brain.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #46 on: May 24, 2021, 09:05:46 AM »
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    • There is more in the 2nd email, enough to convict him in a court of being anti-Lefevbre,
    or living in a fantasy world.  But, pretty soon, my alarm clock will go off and I will realize
    that it was only a bad dream.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #47 on: May 24, 2021, 09:14:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on May 24, 2021, 09:01:04 AM
    Apollo, according to Archbishop Lefebvre, in 1990, "Someone was saying to me yesterday, "But what if Rome accepted your bishops and then you were completely exempted from the other bishops' jurisdiction?" But firstly, they are a long way right now from accepting any such thing, and then, let them first make us such an offer!
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    You have fallen for the lies and propaganda.  You are being very naieve. 
    Read the last interview given  by A. Lefevbre,
    http://drbo.org/lefebvre.htm
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #48 on: May 24, 2021, 11:07:05 AM »
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    • Quote from: XavierSem on May 24, 2021, 09:01:04 AM
    Apollo, according to Archbishop Lefebvre, in 1990, "Someone was saying to me yesterday, "But what if Rome accepted your bishops and then you were completely exempted from the other bishops' jurisdiction?" But firstly, they are a long way right now from accepting any such thing, and then, let them first make us such an offer!

    But I do not think they are anywhere near doing so. For what has been up till now the difficulty has been precisely their giving to us a Traditionalist bishop. They did not want to. It had to be a bishop according to the profile laid down by the Holy See.

    "Profile". You see what that means! Impossible. They knew very well that by giving us a traditional bishop they would be setting up a Traditionalist citadel able to continue. That they did not want." https://sspx.org/en/two-years-after-consecrations

    So Archbishop Lefebvre was open to Rome making an offer to accept the Society Bishops and completely exempt them from the other bishops' jurisdiction, for e.g. by making the Society a Personal Prelature or Ordinariate.

    The condition +ABL insisted on was that it be done without compromise, and with Catholic Bishops, so that the Traditionalist Citadel could continue in the Church. The Society leadership said, "When we compare the arguments made by ABL in 1988 (paraphrasing here), we conclude he would have signed what is being proposed to us". Thus they took the Roman offer.

    To be clear on my position, I am not affiliated with the Resistance, but I'm not a "let's red light the Resistance guy" either. I believe the Resistance is Catholic and they have some reasonable objections. I believe there should be an internal dialogue within the Society to sort matters out. It would be helpful imo if people who disagreed with Fr. Laisney engaged in respectful discussion with him.

    It's reasonable to demand more concessions from Rome. Rome already made many concessions starting with acknowledging the TLM was never banned, all Priests have the right to use it, and expanded on this in Summorum Pontificuм and Universae Ecclesiae etc etc.

    And then only a few months later, in Spiritual Journey, he would contradict this alleged openness to a practical accord with categorical refusal???

    You make of Lefebvre the incoherent wreck the sedes do, with this erroneous reading.

    Lefebvre was being hyperbolic in the quote you supply, as if to say “Don’t be ridiculous!”
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #49 on: May 24, 2021, 11:36:59 AM »
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    • SSPX Priest Answers Question “Can I Go To Any Latin Mass?” Answer: Hmm… « Catholic Truth (catholictruthblog.com)

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    May 19, 2021 at 10:33 pm
    I just answered my own question: it is the same Fr. Robinson. As Father and the interviewer point out, the video is inconclusive regarding the answer to the question, except for situations like sedevacantist Masses or “resistance” Masses.

    However, there is a message at the bottom of the screen at about 15:40 that says this:
    “Any danger to the faith in attending a traditional Mass will not come from the Mass, but from the doctrinal position of the priest or the particular group to which the priest belongs.”

    Which begs two questions:

    1.Is there a danger to the faith in attending a traditional Mass celebrated by a priest who supports theistic evolution? [Not sure said support could be considered a “doctrinal position,” but I still think it is a valid question.]

    2. Is there a danger to the faith in attending a traditional Mass offered by a group that endorses Fr. Sean Kilcawley, the scandalous “pornography priest”?
    I believe this interview has opened a can of worms, unfortunately. The SSPX has placed itself in a glass house too often of late (as we’ve discussed here), and I don’t think they are immune to violating their own principles.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #50 on: May 24, 2021, 12:14:03 PM »
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    • As someone indicated earlier in the post, is a big change about to be announced in the neo-SSPX ?

    Why is Fr. Paul Robinson wearing warpaint to engage the Resistance?

    The only eloquent opposition to neo-SSPX problems, ranging from sex scandals to theological errors comes from the Resistance.

    Could the SSPX's posture be like the football cliche, "the best defense is a good offense."  :confused:


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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #51 on: May 24, 2021, 05:21:17 PM »
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    • Here is something else to consider:  There has been a growing number of people at St. Isidore's who will - out of 'convenience' - attend Mass at FSSP.  After having been away for some time, I have learned that even more, especially several of the long-time families, attend FFSP, at least part of the time.  Many of these were mortified (back in 2012) by my support of the Resistance.  

    Fr. Robinson must certainly know.

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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #52 on: May 24, 2021, 10:36:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: justG on May 24, 2021, 05:21:17 PM
    Here is something else to consider:  There has been a growing number of people at St. Isidore's who will - out of 'convenience' - attend Mass at FSSP.  After having been away for some time, I have learned that even more, especially several of the long-time families, attend FFSP, at least part of the time.  Many of these were mortified (back in 2012) by my support of the Resistance.  

    Fr. Robinson must certainly know.
    Right.  B. Williamson has said that the SSPX is more concerned about the
    Resistance than the heresies in Vatican II.  They don't want to talk about
    Vatican II heresies, because they are 98% in Rome.  The only leverage
    against the Resistance is to claim that the Resistance is "practical sedevacantism"
    and Archbishop LEFEVBRE WAS AGAINST SEDEVACANTISM. 
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    Problem #1.  The Resistance is NOT CMRI, so the SSPX argument is WEAK.
    Problem #2.  If SSPX wants to be reconciled with ROME, why wait for that?
    Just go the Fraternity of Priests of Saint Peter (http://FSSP.org), because they
    are already part of Rome.
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    Being traitors to Tradition and destroying A. Lefevbre's SSPX has its difficulties.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #53 on: May 24, 2021, 10:56:22 PM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on May 24, 2021, 08:52:42 AM
    Just remember, MOST of those taken in by this propaganda WANT to be deceived. They want a comfortable, easy life. They want to have their comfy routine on Sunday, Mass every Sunday, decently close by, with no emergency atmosphere or necessity for THEM PERSONALLY to give, give, give of their time or money.

    Instead of going to a small Resistance chapel where a forty year old man might be needed for serving Mass, they'd rather attend a large established SSPX chapel with a serving department and a serving schedule -- and plenty of boys to serve. Apply this to every other chapel need (accounting, cleaning, maintenance, choir, etc.)

    They want to show up for Mass, and go home and start their REAL Sunday -- which is heavy on the FUN or RECREATION aspect -- not so much on the "attend to your soul" or "give it to God" aspect. If I wasn't correct, you wouldn't have so many people preferring Low Mass over a High Mass. People want to "get it over with" and aren't all that interested in "Church stuff" or "God stuff". They don't want to go to hell, no -- so they attend Mass. Maybe even every Sunday. But they're lukewarm, Sunday Catholics.

    They are LOOKING for an excuse to have their easy life. Priests like Fr. Laisney give them that weak excuse. These lukewarm Catholics embrace it.

    You nailed it.  Compare this with the independent chapel I currently attend; the priests offers mass three times a day on Sunday, hears confessions, and teaches catechism class. He's in his 70s. 
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #54 on: May 24, 2021, 10:59:39 PM »
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    • Robinson is out of control, and his recent hit piece against the resistance is further evidence.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #55 on: May 25, 2021, 05:23:08 AM »
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    • Quote from: apollo on May 24, 2021, 10:36:15 PM
    Right.  B. Williamson has said that the SSPX is more concerned about the
    Resistance than the heresies in Vatican II.  They don't want to talk about
    Vatican II heresies, because they are 98% in Rome.  The only leverage
    against the Resistance is to claim that the Resistance is "practical sedevacantism"
    and Archbishop LEFEVBRE WAS AGAINST SEDEVACANTISM.  
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    Problem #1.  The Resistance is NOT CMRI, so the SSPX argument is WEAK.
    Problem #2.  If SSPX wants to be reconciled with ROME, why wait for that?
    Just go the Fraternity of Priests of Saint Peter (http://FSSP.org), because they
    are already part of Rome.
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    Being traitors to Tradition and destroying A. Lefevbre's SSPX has its difficulties.
    Good perspective!

    The neo-SSPX has practiced the art of deception for a long time.
    They must fear that once officially united with Rome, their uniqueness will be lost.  Unrecoverable.

    The fact that Francis hasn’t trounced them makes me think an under-the-table deal is already done.

    But one thing for sure, the neo-SSPX has lost the graces of ten years ago.  As gamblers would say, they lost their “mo-jo”.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #56 on: May 25, 2021, 06:07:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 24, 2021, 11:07:05 AM
    And then only a few months later, in Spiritual Journey, he would contradict this alleged openness to a practical accord with categorical refusal???

    You make of Lefebvre the incoherent wreck the sedes do, with this erroneous reading.

    Lefebvre was being hyperbolic in the quote you supply, as if to say “Don’t be ridiculous!”

    You seem unaware that “Spiritual Journey” (Itinèraire Spirituel) was written months before the conference quoted by XavierSem. What you think is months afterwards is due to translation and printing.

    What appeared in 1991 was the Deuxième èdition (second edition). Extracts from this book appeared on the French website in January 1990.

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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #57 on: May 25, 2021, 06:27:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: MindTheStep on May 25, 2021, 06:07:22 AM
    You seem unaware that “Spiritual Journey” (Itinèraire Spirituel) was written months before the conference quoted by XavierSem. What you think is months afterwards is due to translation and printing.

    What appeared in 1991 was the Deuxième èdition (second edition). Extracts from this book appeared on the French website in January 1990.
    Regardless, you would still impute to Lefebvre the same incoherence the sedes accuse him of, holding opposite opinions only months apart.
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #58 on: May 27, 2021, 02:59:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 24, 2021, 12:14:03 PM



    As someone indicated earlier in the post, is a big change about to be announced in the neo-SSPX ?

    Why is Fr. Paul Robinson wearing warpaint to engage the Resistance?

    The only eloquent opposition to neo-SSPX problems, ranging from sex scandals to theological errors comes from the Resistance.

    Could the SSPX's posture be like the football cliche, "the best defense is a good offense."  :confused:


    This tidbit that came in this week could explain why the SSPX unleashed their "Kentucky pitbull" on the Resistance and why he gave a pass to the Indult orders.

    "A neoSSPX informant advised that after Bergolio rescinds the Motu, Bergolio will give the neoSSPX a prelature to run the Latin mass.This means the fssp will join the sspx filling the society with lay "priests"
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    Re: Fr. Robinson on the Anti-Resistance Warpath
    « Reply #59 on: May 27, 2021, 03:11:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on May 27, 2021, 02:59:35 PM

    This tidbit that came in this week could explain why the SSPX unleashed their "Kentucky pitbull" on the Resistance and why he gave a pass to the Indult orders.

    "A neoSSPX informant advised that after Bergolio rescinds the Motu, Bergolio will give the neoSSPX a prelature to run the Latin mass.This means the fssp will join the sspx filling the society with lay "priests"
    Bishop Fellay also admitted this in his Australia 2016 conference, which has since been deleted. It was his famous "this is not a trap" "you can't imagine anything better" ,"they will even recognize our marriages" speech.
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