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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2018, 10:42:50 AM »
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  • Any priest who doesn't begin to worry about, consider, or study the Pope question until after Ordination isn't very impressive as a priest. On the contrary, I would say that such a priest is shirking his essential duties, and is probably doing more harm than good for souls by having himself ordained.

    Oh, it's not necessarily the case that he never considered the question during his time at the seminary.  Perhaps something happened (or he encountered some reading material) that simply caused him to change his mind.  That happens.

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #16 on: July 29, 2018, 11:39:55 AM »
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  • It’s like the more anti-sedevacantist the “Resistance” becomes, the more it feeds the sede vacante position.

    It's mainly the sedevacantists, sedewhatevers, and their supporters who that think that the Resistance looks like a sect because it does not embrace sedevacantism. No one is forced to read or participate on the forum, or keep track of the Resistance or read anything about it at all. Surely there are sede forums that will appeal to you and others more. Just because the Resistance does not support sedevacantism, that doesn't mean that sedevacantism is correct.

    As Bp. Faure once said, the Resistance is attacked from two sides - on the left are those who want an accord with Rome, and on the right are the sedevacantists.

    By continually attacking the Resistance, you are not making a good case for your position, which is untenable. Why do you pay so much attention to the Resistance, since you believe that it looks like a sect?
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #17 on: July 29, 2018, 12:07:55 PM »
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  • Centro,

    If you can show me a forum that permits slurs against the moderator(s), the forum itself, the forum's position, or the forum rules, then maybe I'll consider letting such posts stand in the future.

    But as a matter of fact, no forum tolerates such behavior. At least not any forum with more than 100 members. So I am not remarkable in my intolerance for people slamming the forum, my position, or my person.

    Go on a sedevacantist forum and call the members and moderators "schismatic" or "non-Catholic" and see what happens. Or go join any secular forum and call the moderator a nαzι and/or a string of cuss words. They won't just delete the offending posts; they would ban you without a second thought.

    If the Resistance position disgusts you, you are always welcome to leave this Resistance forum. No one is holding you here.

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #18 on: July 29, 2018, 12:12:49 PM »
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  • Oh, it's not necessarily the case that he never considered the question during his time at the seminary.  Perhaps something happened (or he encountered some reading material) that simply caused him to change his mind.  That happens.
    ...and when this happens on a scale of days and weeks (rather than months and years) that is called being UNSTABLE. I covered that in my post.
    It means he wasn't very well-founded in any position; he hadn't done his homework yet. And as a cleric, he had PLENTY of time to take care of that basic first step in his priestly formation! Knowing one's stance on the Crisis is pretty fundamental to everything else you do the rest of your life. Think about it! 
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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #19 on: July 29, 2018, 12:17:52 PM »
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  • Jack is a 26 year old man who graduated a secular college with a Liberal Arts degree.

    For the first month, he did accounting.
    For the second month, he worked as a plumber.
    For the third month, he worked in a bank.
    For the fourth month, he worked at a retail store.
    For months 5-7 he started grad school to become a lawyer, then quit.
    For months 8-12, he studied graphic design, then gave it up.

    One year after he graduated college, he shows up at your door at age 27, because he's interested in courting (you, your sister, your daughter, your niece, your granddaughter, take your pick...)

    What do you think of Jack? As a man, I mean?

    I, for one, am not impressed. It sounds like Jack doesn't know who he is. He's already wasted a good portion of his youth, not having figured out his basic talents or given any thought to "what he wants to be when he grows up". But he's not 15, he's 27. He should know this by now.

    Moral of the story: Making small course corrections, or even major changes to one's career once in a while is one thing. But failing to establish basic foundations of your career, when you are not a teenager anymore, says a lot about one's maturity.


    Deciding what milieu you will exist in (Conciliar Church? FSSP? SSPX? Sedevacantism?), is much more fundamental than deciding WHAT ROLE YOU WILL PLAY in that milieu.

    At least that's how sanity used to work. You'd pick where you live, THEN worry about your career or job. Nowadays though, I guess people have no roots, and will move anywhere they need to, depending on what career they choose. Sad. But look at how messed up the modern world is as a result! Few family ties, rarely any extended family closeness (among Whites at least), no roots, families spread out all over the country.
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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #20 on: July 29, 2018, 12:50:39 PM »
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  • You're being too nice comparing this repeating scenario to a flighty layman.

    A bishop has a serious responsibility to only ordain men whom he deems worthy of the priesthood. That bishop does not take his own positions lightly and only chooses to ordain those who share those positions. He has a duty to TEACH the seminarians and the seminarians have a duty to STUDY the information being taught.

    It doesn't take hiding a position to insert an element of deception. If a seminarian has failed to adequately study and consider a subject until he's reached the point of firm acceptance, he's deceiving the bishop in accepting ordination from him. If the seminary has failed to teach all that they expect the seminarian to know and accept, they've deceived the seminarian.

    If Fr. John announces a year after ordination that he doesn't believe Vatican I was a binding council and goes to work with the Old Catholics, we'd rightly all think both Fr. John and the seminary he attended failed in their primary purpose. One or the other didn't fulfill their duty toward the bishop of producing a candidate worthy of ordination.

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #21 on: July 29, 2018, 07:58:46 PM »
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    A bishop has a serious responsibility to only ordain men whom he deems worthy of the priesthood. That bishop does not take his own positions lightly and only chooses to ordain those who share those positions. 
    While I agree with you, in the main, it would seem that the Archbishop fell a bit short when choosing the men whom he not only ordained but also consecrated.  This seems to be an effort to undo an ordination rather than to take the responsibility for a possible failure of judgment.

    The Archbishop made his judgments and now we are all suffering the consequences. These are the things that can happen when the Church is prevented from entering into deliberations where it is canonically required that it does so.

    But sedevacantism is not the end of the world, or even and unexpected state of mind, given the reality of the situation in the Church today.

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #22 on: July 29, 2018, 09:43:47 PM »
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  • At least that's how sanity used to work. You'd pick where you live, THEN worry about your career or job. Nowadays though, I guess people have no roots, and will move anywhere they need to, depending on what career they choose. Sad. But look at how messed up the modern world is as a result! Few family ties, rarely any extended family closeness (among Whites at least), no roots, families spread out all over the country.
    The insanity is further exacerbated by priests of this sort who either state or imply the faithful who rely upon them remain "loyal" to them.  When they change their stance on something major like this, the faithful find themselves in a bad position unless they change along with him or compromise their consciences. I've been in this situation, and, unwilling to compromise on what I consider a matter of keeping the faith, have found myself without priest, Mass, or Sacraments. An involuntary "home-aloner," I'm now ostracized for being a "home-aloner!" 

    Before passing judgment upon those who move to accommodate a job or career, keep in mind that there are MANY for whom it is not a matter of having chosen a job over family, but who move because their families are already scattered far and wide. I dare say MOST Americans are born into rootlessness, so why not move?  



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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #23 on: July 29, 2018, 10:23:58 PM »
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  • I dare say MOST Americans are born into rootlessness, so why not move?  
    I was born of a thief,  henceforth, I am to be a thief? 

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #24 on: July 30, 2018, 04:53:46 AM »
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  • I was born of a thief,  henceforth, I am to be a thief?
    No, completely misunderstood.  It is sinful to be a thief, whereas one who, through no fault of his own finds himself  (or herself) alone in the world is a victim of circuмstsnces, not a person who chooses a life of sin.  Stealing is objectively sinful.  Being alone in the world by the failure of others is not sinful, just unfortunate.

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #25 on: July 30, 2018, 05:17:50 AM »
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  • "Fr. Ribeiro Da Silva has publicly stated now that he is connected to Bishop Daniel Dolan"
    Sean,
    Where are you taking this statement from?
    St. Patrick


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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #26 on: July 30, 2018, 05:50:28 AM »
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  • Sean,
    Where are you taking this statement from?
    St. Patrick
    It was in a post from Centroamerica on p. 1 of this thread, which apparently is no longer there.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #27 on: July 30, 2018, 07:03:12 AM »
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  • So, if a priest ordained by a sede bishop suddenly changed his position and became a member of the Resistance, the concern would be the same, right?  

    For those on this thread who are rabid, anti-sede (and they know who they are), we all know it would not.  The response would be "Thank God, Father has seen the light!"

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #28 on: July 30, 2018, 07:21:32 AM »
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  • Oh, it's not necessarily the case that he never considered the question during his time at the seminary.  Perhaps something happened (or he encountered some reading material) that simply caused him to change his mind.  That happens.
    Even if he hadn't, I don't understand why 7 months is considered a sudden change in position...unless I am missing something about the timeline here.  

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    Re: Fr. Ribiero da Silva Separated from the SAJM
    « Reply #29 on: July 30, 2018, 07:25:20 AM »
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  • Even if he hadn't, I don't understand why 7 months is considered a sudden change in position...unless I am missing something about the timeline here.  
    Centroamerica said that a few weeks ago he was making severe anti-sede videos, but now has attached himself to Bishop Sanborn.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."