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Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2022, 10:21:40 AM »
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  • Fr. Salenave is not with Fr. Chazal's MCSPX, but with Bishop Faure's SAJM in France.

    Fr. Chazal has no operations in Europe, and the SAJM has no operations in the Pacific.

    Obviously both groups are on friendly terms, and there is communication and collaboration between the two (e.g., ordinations; confirmations; fundraising; etc), but they are distinct bodies with distinct membership.  I believe in the early days of the formation of both groups, there may have been 1-2 cases of "dual membership," and Fr. Salenave was one of those instances.

    Not so if based on the list published by SAJM on December 10th.

    SAJM MEMBERS CURRENTLY

     


    HE Bishop Christian Jean-Michel Faure (France)
    HE Bishop Gerardo Zendejas (Mexico - United States)

    Father Jean Baptiste Brocard (France)
    Father Alois Brühwiler (Switzerland)
    Father Daniele Chirico (Italy)
    Father Stéphane Grenon (Switzerland)
    Father Deivid Nass (Brazil) )
    Father Etienne Perez (France)
    Fr. Rémi Picot (France)
    Fr. Paul Rousseau (France)
    Fr. René Trincado (Chile - Croatia)

    6

    Oblate seminarians:
    Sister Marie-Elisabeth (France)
    Sister Maria Salomé (Thailand)
    Sister Dorothée (Germany)

    Deceased members:
    Father Maurice Duployez (France)



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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #16 on: December 12, 2022, 10:26:35 AM »
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  • Not so if based on the list published by SAJM on December 10th.

    SAJM MEMBERS CURRENTLY




    HE Bishop Christian Jean-Michel Faure (France)
    HE Bishop Gerardo Zendejas (Mexico - United States)

    Father Jean Baptiste Brocard (France)
    Father Alois Brühwiler (Switzerland)
    Father Daniele Chirico (Italy)
    Father Stéphane Grenon (Switzerland)
    Father Deivid Nass (Brazil) )
    Father Etienne Perez (France)
    Fr. Rémi Picot (France)
    Fr. Paul Rousseau (France)
    Fr. René Trincado (Chile - Croatia)

    6

    Oblate seminarians:
    Sister Marie-Elisabeth (France)
    Sister Maria Salomé (Thailand)
    Sister Dorothée (Germany)

    Deceased members:
    Father Maurice Duployez (France)


    Good catch!

    I am awaiting an email response on this development.
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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #17 on: December 12, 2022, 10:39:28 AM »
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  • Good catch!

    I am awaiting an email response on this development.

    A definitive answer from +Zendejas: "He was never engaged in the SAJM, but merely worked under its umbrella as a collaborator."

    Another priest confirms Trento's earlier response that Fr. Salenave appears to have some kind of loose asssociation with Fr. Chazal's MCSPX, but not sure in what capacity; I don't know if the MCSPX has Constitutions, or if its just a loose association of friend priests like the old USML was.  Apparently, being in Asia, Trento is more up to speed on matters out there than I am.
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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #18 on: December 12, 2022, 11:10:03 AM »
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  • A definitive answer from +Zendejas: "He was never engaged in the SAJM, but merely worked under its umbrella as a collaborator."

    Another priest confirms Trento's earlier response that Fr. Salenave appears to have some kind of loose asssociation with Fr. Chazal's MCSPX, but not sure in what capacity; I don't know if the MCSPX has Constitutions, or if its just a loose association of friend priests like the old USML was.  Apparently, being in Asia, Trento is more up to speed on matters out there than I am.

    But shouldn't there be more Resistance priests that we know of? Or are they remaining independent? You brought up USML, and now I'm wondering if it is no more. I do recall how it all began with a myriad of names such as SSPX-SO, SSPX-MC, MCSPX, USML, SAJM. 

    I saw a list of MCSPX priests from Fr. Chazal before in 2016 and it was as follows:

    Fr. Chazal
    Fr. Suneel
    Fr. Valan
    Fr. Picot (joined the SAJM in 2022)
    Fr. Salenave

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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #19 on: December 12, 2022, 11:34:14 AM »
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  • But shouldn't there be more Resistance priests that we know of? Or are they remaining independent? You brought up USML, and now I'm wondering if it is no more. I do recall how it all began with a myriad of names such as SSPX-SO, SSPX-MC, MCSPX, USML, SAJM.

    I saw a list of MCSPX priests from Fr. Chazal before in 2016 and it was as follows:

    Fr. Chazal
    Fr. Suneel
    Fr. Valan
    Fr. Picot (joined the SAJM in 2022)
    Fr. Salenave


    There are about 47 priests who were expelled of resigned from the SSPX over the ralliement.

    If you add to these the numbers of priests and religious found within the once-allied congregations (e.g., Avrille, Santa Cruz, FBVM, Fr. Britto's group, Carmels, etc.), and also add the once-allied independents (e.g., Fr. Ringrose, et al), the tally is somewhere around 100.

    If you added the perpetual fence-sitters (i.e., still going along with the SSPX, but opposed to the ralliement) of the Transfiguration, Bellaigue, and Morgon, that number climbs to about 150.
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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #20 on: December 12, 2022, 05:17:31 PM »
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  • There's some cultural subjectivity to it obviously.  Some cultures would find him to be effeminate.  And there's no doubt he'd look even MORE "manly" if he had facial hair ... unless of course your culture consider that to be a sign of being an uncivilized barbarian.
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    For well over 100 years, shaving has been the hallmark of civilized man, so that when people wanted to attack civilization, the first thing they did was to grow beards. You rarely see men wearing any beard at all in the early 20th century:



    Look at this orderly, cultured gentleman from the 1950s.



    This was a time of peace, order, morality and progress of every kind. Almost all men looked like the ones above. The clean, shaved appearance represented the cleanliness of thought and orderliness of life.

    To bring down this civilized order, one of the first things hippies did was to stop shaving.

    These people are barbarians in the truest sense of the word, meaning not just that they are uncivilized themselves, but that they are in fact waging war against civilization and locked in a deadly struggle against it. Unfortunately people like this won the war, and what we are living in now is the ruins they have left of what the men above created:




    This phenomenon exists to this very day, although the beards have become slightly less barbaric than the guy above. You see it in the constant need of Portland hipsters (communists) to wear at least some facial hair, as if it were some badge or symbol of their war on civilization:



    I realize this probably sounds like an overly simplistic analysis, but I believe it is a matter of simple observation that in modern times a shaved face has been a symbol of those who build up, while the beard has been the symbol of those who destroy. Why this is the case, I can't say for sure, but I think part of it has to do with the fact that shaving is itself a product of civilization. To shave, you need finely-sharpened razors, soap, shaving cream, or electric devices -- all of which can only be produced by civilization. Any savage running around naked in the woods can grow a beard; in fact, growing a beard indicates either that you do not have access to such products of civilization at all, or that you eschew the use of such technology and prefer to look like a savage.

    A man is immediately identifiable by his beard, or lack thereof, whether he lives in a civilized society, or takes advantage of what it offers. And someone who lives in a civilized society and despises the technology that such a society creates shows that he despises the advancement of that society, and therefore civilization in general.

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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #21 on: December 12, 2022, 09:01:01 PM »
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  • I realize this probably sounds like an overly simplistic analysis, but I believe it is a matter of simple observation that in modern times a shaved face has been a symbol of those who build up, while the beard has been the symbol of those who destroy. Why this is the case, I can't say for sure, but I think part of it has to do with the fact that shaving is itself a product of civilization. To shave, you need finely-sharpened razors, soap, shaving cream, or electric devices -- all of which can only be produced by civilization. Any savage running around naked in the woods can grow a beard; in fact, growing a beard indicates either that you do not have access to such products of civilization at all, or that you eschew the use of such technology and prefer to look like a savage.

    A man is immediately identifiable by his beard, or lack thereof, whether he lives in a civilized society, or takes advantage of what it offers. And someone who lives in a civilized society and despises the technology that such a society creates shows that he despises the advancement of that society, and therefore civilization in general.
    Actually it sounds like an extremely unbalanced view.




    When you rely so heavily on generalizations, your arguments sound empty and meaningless.

    Beards, like clothes, are about what is fashionable.

    There's nothing intrinsically evil in facial hair. Neither in the absence of it.

    We could find numerous examples of civilized men from the 18th century with very vigorous beards.

    These days, beards don't mean much, since fashion has become more diverse.

    In the 60s, you could say that a bearded man was probably a sort of revolutionary. Since the 70s, it has lost this stigma.

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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #22 on: December 13, 2022, 12:21:57 AM »
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  • There are about 47 priests who were expelled of resigned from the SSPX over the ralliement.

    If you add to these the numbers of priests and religious found within the once-allied congregations (e.g., Avrille, Santa Cruz, FBVM, Fr. Britto's group, Carmels, etc.), and also add the once-allied independents (e.g., Fr. Ringrose, et al), the tally is somewhere around 100.

    If you added the perpetual fence-sitters (i.e., still going along with the SSPX, but opposed to the ralliement) of the Transfiguration, Bellaigue, and Morgon, that number climbs to about 150.

    I was only wondering about the small number of priests listed in both SAJM and MCSPX lists. Where are the likes of Fr. Morgan, Fr. Girouard, Fr. Pivert, and many more?


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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #23 on: December 13, 2022, 03:46:55 AM »
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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #24 on: December 13, 2022, 04:34:20 AM »
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  • There are about 47 priests who were expelled of resigned from the SSPX over the ralliement.

    If you add to these the numbers of priests and religious found within the once-allied congregations (e.g., Avrille, Santa Cruz, FBVM, Fr. Britto's group, Carmels, etc.), and also add the once-allied independents (e.g., Fr. Ringrose, et al), the tally is somewhere around 100.

    If you added the perpetual fence-sitters (i.e., still going along with the SSPX, but opposed to the ralliement) of the Transfiguration, Bellaigue, and Morgon, that number climbs to about 150.
    So where does Fr MacDonald fit in?
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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #25 on: December 13, 2022, 05:18:17 AM »
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  • I was only wondering about the small number of priests listed in both SAJM and MCSPX lists. Where are the likes of Fr. Morgan, Fr. Girouard, Fr. Pivert, and many more?

    Hello Trento-

    Fr. Morgan is an independent, splitting time in France and England.  He sometimes assists at the SAJM/Avrille seminary, has a Mass circuit in France, and comes to England monthly.  His brother lives in southern France, and I think that's one of the draws for him to base out of France. 

    Fr. Girouard is still in British Columbia, and I correspond with him frequently.  He has two chapels, and recently even helped out Fr. Hewko in Canada.  Interestingly, after the Hewkonians hadn't had Mass in 2 years (i.e., because Fr. Hewko is the only faithful Catholic priest on earth), Fr. Hewko asked Fr. Girouard to visit his Canadian chapels, which he did.  But when the borders reopened to the non-vaxed in October, Fr. Hewko suddenly declared that unless Fr. Girouard denounce Bishop Williamson publicly, the faithful could no longer receive sacraments from him.  You see, Fr. Hewko can collaboate with a "compromiser" (or the bishops, requesting of them delegation to perform confirmations, holy oils, etc.), but the faithful can't.  But the dupes had been poisoned too many years between Pfeiffer and Hewko, and are oblivous and impervious to noticing the self-serving theology and contradiction.  They get the pastors they deserve.

    Fr. Pivert heads a small religious community and seminary in central France.  Bishop Williamsson has ordained at least two priests for his group.  You can learn more about it on his website here: https://abbe-pivert.com/

    In another thread, I'll list all the priests expelled or resigned from the SSPX over the ralliement, and maybe people can chime in and provide information about their whereabouts.
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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #26 on: December 13, 2022, 05:20:33 AM »
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  • So where does Fr MacDonald fit in?

    Fr. MacDonald spends most of his time traveling between New Zealand and Ireland (with occassional visits to the USA).
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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #27 on: December 13, 2022, 05:44:06 AM »
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  • I thought that SSPX priests were forbidden to sport a beard:confused:

    I would presume that the SAJM would mirror this rule too.
    Father Chazal had a beard the last two times I saw him.  :popcorn:


    After thought...  Saw this was talked about more after I wrote this.  :laugh1:

    I always have thought that well-trimmed beards gave priests an extra air of respect.  My favorite pictures of Archbishop Lefebvre are from when he was a missionary priest with a beard.  Sort of like the old Southern beard you would find on Robert E Lee. 😅
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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #28 on: December 13, 2022, 05:53:31 AM »
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  • Fr. MacDonald spends most of his time traveling between New Zealand and Ireland (with occassional visits to the USA).
    Ireland is where we met him a few years back.  This has been a good thread!  It is nice to hear of how many SSPX priests are waking up.:popcorn:
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    Re: Fr. Remi Picot Joins the SAJM
    « Reply #29 on: December 13, 2022, 07:17:07 AM »
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  • Actually it sounds like an extremely unbalanced view.




    When you rely so heavily on generalizations, your arguments sound empty and meaningless.

    Beards, like clothes, are about what is fashionable.

    There's nothing intrinsically evil in facial hair. Neither in the absence of it.

    We could find numerous examples of civilized men from the 18th century with very vigorous beards.

    These days, beards don't mean much, since fashion has become more diverse.

    In the 60s, you could say that a bearded man was probably a sort of revolutionary. Since the 70s, it has lost this stigma.
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    Well, you are from a different country, so maybe the cultural dynamics I'm describing aren't the same down there. I don't know.

    A picture of one extremely exceptional person is not relevant in a discussion about general social trends. You'd have to support your position (whatever it is) by pictures of random people that can be taken as representative of the population, or of social trends, as I did.

    I simply pointed out an observable fact, supported by evidence (though I think it's pretty self-evident in itself) that people shaved their face in civilized times, and that the enemies of civilization make a point about not shaving. I speculated on why this should be the case. But as a cultural trend it is unmistakable.

    Why do you think it is that the hippies didn't shave?