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Offline SeanJohnson

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Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
« on: August 27, 2020, 12:44:40 PM »
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #1 on: August 27, 2020, 01:51:48 PM »
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    • Wow !   Very powerful!
    He should be pope!   
    I'll be sending this to all my pro Trump friends!    They won't like it, but too bad.

    Thanks, Sean!


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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #2 on: August 27, 2020, 02:13:31 PM »
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    • One small point.

    With all due respect to Father, he needs to get his facts straight. The vaccine does not "contain aborted baby cells." It is made using a cell line derived from electively aborted babies.

    The pro-life message is weakened when people are sloppy with the facts.

    As to his larger point, I refuse to help the violent revolutionary evil bloodthirsty forces behind Biden win the election.

    In good conscience, the only way I can do that is to hold my nose and vote for Trump.
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    Offline SeanJohnson

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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #3 on: August 27, 2020, 02:38:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on August 27, 2020, 02:13:31 PM
    One small point.

    With all due respect to Father, he needs to get his facts straight. The vaccine does not "contain aborted baby cells." It is made using a cell line derived from electively aborted babies.

    The pro-life message is weakened when people are sloppy with the facts.

    As to his larger point, I refuse to help the violent revolutionary evil bloodthirsty forces behind Biden win the election.

    In good conscience, the only way I can do that is to hold my nose and vote for Trump.

    Can you please explain how a vaccine “made using a cell line derived from electively aborted babies” would represent a vaccine which does not “contain aborted baby cells?”

    Would not a cell line “derived from” aborted babies contain fetal cells?

    Does not cheese derived from milk still contain milk?

    Ps: Add Fr Relaya to the list of those who reject the 2005 Vatican statement permitting the use of abortive vaccines (23:50), where he rejects BXVI’s notion that the murdered babies were killed so long ago, it’s ok to use them now:

    Cardinal Burke
    ++Vigano
    +Strickland
    Fr. Relaya
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #4 on: August 27, 2020, 03:15:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 27, 2020, 02:38:17 PM
    Ps: Add Fr Relaya to the list of those who reject the 2005 Vatican statement permitting the use of abortive vaccines (23:50), where he rejects BXVI’s notion that the murdered babies were killed so long ago, it’s ok to use them now:

    Cardinal Burke
    ++Vigano
    +Strickland
    Fr. Relaya
    And to this list:

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    Let us also remember, as Pastors, that for Catholics it is morally unacceptable to develop or use vaccines derived from material from aborted fetuses.  

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    From the APPEAL FOR THE CHURCH AND THE WORLD to Catholics and all people of good will signed by :

    Mgr. Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop, Apostolic Nuncio (promoter)
    Cdl Joseph Zen Ze-kiun, Bishop emeritus of Hong Kong
    Cdl Janis Pujats, Archbishop emeritus of Riga
    Cdl Gerhard Ludwig Mueller, Prefect emeritus of Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith
    Mgr Luigi Negri, Archbishop emeritus of Ferrara-Comacchio
    Mgr Joseph Strickland, Bishop of Tyler, Texas
    Mgr Thomas Peta, Metropolitan Archbishop of Astana
    Mgr Athanasius Schneider, Auxiliary Bishop of Astana
    Mgr Jan Pawel Lenga, Archbishop emeritus of Karaganda
    Mgr Rene Henry Gracida, Bishop emeritus of Corpus Christi
    Mgr Andreas Laun, Auxiliary Bishop of Salzburg
    Mgr Robert Muetsaerts, Auxiliary Bishop of Den Bosch
    Father Serafino Lanzetta, theologian
    Father Alfredo Maria Morselli, theologian
    Father Curzio Nitoglia, theologian
    Father Guy Pagès
    Father José Arantes de Andrade, Archdiocese of Braga
    Father Frank Unterhalt, Communio Veritatis
    Father Edmund A Castronovo, parish pastor
    Father Jean-Louis Dupré, Diocèse de Saint-Flour
    Father Mateusz Mraczek ofs
    Father Harold Bumann, ive

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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #5 on: August 27, 2020, 04:20:42 PM »
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    • Reference for aborted fetal cells???  Please???
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #6 on: August 27, 2020, 04:25:14 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on August 27, 2020, 04:20:42 PM
    Reference for aborted fetal cells???  Please???
    What?
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #7 on: August 27, 2020, 04:51:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on August 27, 2020, 04:20:42 PM
    Reference for aborted fetal cells???  Please???
    Are you skeptical that they use aborted fetal cells to develop vaccines?  Or need references to prove it to others? 
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #8 on: August 27, 2020, 05:04:59 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 27, 2020, 02:38:17 PM
    Can you please explain how a vaccine “made using a cell line derived from electively aborted babies” would represent a vaccine which does not “contain aborted baby cells?”

    Would not a cell line “derived from” aborted babies contain fetal cells?

    An analogy would be the Pepsi products which were taste-tested using electively aborted fetal cells.
    The Pepsi cola and other products did not actually contain fetal cells, and when this disinfo was spread, people distrusted those who had misinformed them.
    The cell lines are used to make many kinds of vaccines, similar to a growth medium. No fetal cells are in the vaccine itself.
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #9 on: August 27, 2020, 05:17:10 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on August 27, 2020, 05:04:59 PM
    An analogy would be the Pepsi products which were taste-tested using electively aborted fetal cells.
    The Pepsi cola and other products did not actually contain fetal cells, and when this disinfo was spread, people distrusted those who had misinformed them.
    The cell lines are used to make many kinds of vaccines, similar to a growth medium. No fetal cells are in the vaccine itself.

    Thank you for this explanation.

    Unfortunately, it is ultimately moot, since the primary moral issue is not that the vaccines “contain aborted fetal matter,” but that they were produced using aborted fetal matter.

    Of course, I do understand your purpose was not to defend abortive vaccines, but simply to correct a misunderstanding (which you have succeeded in doing).
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #10 on: August 27, 2020, 05:29:21 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on August 27, 2020, 05:17:10 PM
    Thank you for this explanation.

    Unfortunately, it is ultimately moot, since the primary moral issue is not that the vaccines “contain aborted fetal matter,” but that they were produced using aborted fetal matter.

    Of course, I do understand your purpose was not to defend abortive vaccines, but simply to correct a misunderstanding (which you have succeeded in doing).
    I agree with Sean's point, but also, not sure it is correct to say "No fetal cells are in the vaccine itself."
    If you look at the CDC's own list of vaccine ingredients, you'll see MRC-5 & WI-38.  

    "MRC-5 (Medical Research Council cell strain 5) is a diploid human cell culture line composed of fibroblasts, originally developed from research deriving lung tissue of a 14-week-old aborted Caucasian male fetus."

    "WI-38 is a diploid human cell line composed of fibroblasts derived from lung tissue of a 3-month-gestation aborted female fetus."

    Sounds like an ingredient to me, if it's in the "ingredient" list.  
    It seems like semantics or splitting hairs to me.  

    [Of course speaking here of current vaccines, not necessarily a hypothetical Covid-19 vacccine.]
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #11 on: August 27, 2020, 05:31:49 PM »
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #12 on: August 27, 2020, 05:36:24 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on August 27, 2020, 04:20:42 PM
    Reference for aborted fetal cells???  Please???
    Disregard. I found references specific to Covid-19 after the fact but CI doesn’t allow you to delete your post.
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #13 on: August 27, 2020, 07:15:23 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on August 27, 2020, 04:20:42 PM
    Reference for aborted fetal cells???  Please???
    If you watched the video within the OP you would know about cogforlife.
    Father gives the address twice
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    Re: Fr. Relaya on Masks, Vaccines, and Trump
    « Reply #14 on: August 27, 2020, 10:21:30 PM »
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    • Who would trust any new vaccine?  
    Why need vaccine when the virus isn’t that bad?   Vaccine equals money. 

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