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To many members, the last two paragraphs are most important:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.

How are we supposed to get new people to show up for Mass when all this tension and bickering is going on?

This is not good for young adults.

Having a Catholic spouse makes for a lifetime of fewer problems.

Most Catholic marriages that "end' in "divorce" (how's that for a non-sequitur?) do so because one of the spouses was not Catholic (more mixed marriages end in divorce).

How can a young adult do the right thing when he or she has to choose between their fiancee or the Church?

How can you expect a non-Catholic to be interested in converting when the grass looks greener on THIS side of the fence, instead of the OTHER side?

What kind of priest preaches "charity" and then turns around and demonstrates a LACK of charity?

Answer:  

Read Romans Chapter Two.  Especially verses 1-3, and 21-23:

1 "WHEREFORE thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest.  For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself.  For thou dost the same things which thou judgest.  2 For we know that the judgment of God is, according to truth, against them that do such things.  3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them who do such things, and dost the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?"

 21 "Thou therefore that teachest another, teachest not thyself:  thou that preachest that men should not steal, stealest:  22 Thou that sayest, men should not commit adultery, committest adultery:  thou that abhorrest idols, committest sacrilege:  23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, by transgression of the law dishonourest God."


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IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.

Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

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I thought Portugal would never lose the Dogma of the Faith.  :scratchchin:

 

You're right on target, ggreg!  (But you should have read three more posts on that page!)

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Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

"In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  

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I need to stop reading the posts backwards.

Hi,  
Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).
Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists  and others and now this! (conspiracy people) Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but  he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, " I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.

Wait a minute...

So you're openly confirming this was Fr. Portugal. Where does he normally say Mass? I know he's based in the Houston priory, but I know there's no Resistance Mass around here for a 1/2 a day's drive.

I guess that makes sense -- Father DID say he drove 10 hours. And Houston is already 3 1/2 hours from where I am.

You said you were off to a Resistance Mass. Is it in Louisiana?

EDIT: I just re-read and saw that you already answered my question: it's in New Orleans.

Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

"In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  

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Yes, that has to be what Our Lady of Fatima meant after all; that there would be a Fr. Portugal who would rise up as True Pope to restore the Church. We never would have guessed that she could be so subtle.

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s2srea would not have made this post..

I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.

..if he had already read this post (following), but if he has me on HIDE, of course, he'd just be missing out..

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Hi,  
Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).

Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists  and others and now this! (conspiracy people)

Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but  he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, "I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.

A-ha!



So it WAS an Internet rumour!



It wasn't Fr. Portugal literally saying that
those who assist at Resistance Masses will go to hell,
but rather that was the IMAGE HE PUT INTO THE MIND OF THE LISTENER
without Fr. Portugal having to say the words!

This way,

he can deliver a message like this, and then later,
he can deny that he delivered the message!!  


TA-DAAAA!  

(That's not the same as Te Deum.)

What he SAID was,

He wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention.
*READ*  "I'm not responsible for this."

He said that people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story.
*READ*  "Conspiracy theorists are running rampant, especially on the Internet!"

He noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning!
*READ*  "Internet rumours effect home-alone-ism."

He said, it's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet.
*READ*  "Internet use is EVIL."

He said they believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments.  
*READ*  "If you only listened to me instead of reading the Internet you wouldn't have these problems!"

He said priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and then, only two people show up.
*READ*  "Oy-Veh!  I'm being victimized!  This is discrimination!"

He said that after all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest.
*READ*  "Shame on you for not remaining subject to my hypnosis!"

He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo.
*READ*  "Oy-Veh!  We Society priests are the victims here!"

He said that the SSPX is always being attacked by the sedevacantists.
*READ*  "Sedevacantism results when you deny Vat.II, OR the new orientation of the SSPX."

He said that the SSPX is always being attacked by others, and now this! -- the SSPX is now being attacked by conspiracy-believing people!
*READ*  "The reality is in your mind -- BUT YOUR SUBJECTIVE REALITY IS WRONG!"

Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment.
*READ*  "Let me explain to you what God has in mind, because I know the mind of God!"

Father said, but it's a comforting thought to know there is a second judgment.
*READ*  "Here goes!"

Father said that God will deal with these evil people!
*READ*  "My word is the GOSPEL TRUTH!  Because as an SSPX priest who agrees with the Menzingen-denizens, I HAVE THE GRACE OF STATE!  MY JUDGMENT IS TANTAMOUNT TO GOD'S JUDGMENT!"




*READ*  "If You Don't Come Here To Mass, You Can Just Go To Hell."

Now, that's a horse of a different color!

But it's still noteworthy.  This demonstrates several principles at work.  

The new orientation of the Society makes them try to accommodate Newchurch, and this is what happens when you try to accommodate Newchurch.  You get ambiguous language that tries to impart an image into the minds of the listener, and that image is going to be DIFFERENT in the mind of different listeners.  

This is actually the REVERSE of what the Apostles had -- the gift of tongues, whereby they spoke one language to a crowd, and various different people in the crowd whose native tongues were different, each heard the Apostles speaking in each of those various languages.  But they all heard the SAME MESSAGE!

Now, we have the opposite phenomenon going on.  Now an ambiguous sermon means different things to different people ALL OF WHOM SPEAK THE SAME NATIVE TONGUE that the priest is speaking, but each of whom has different ways of understanding his words.  They all hear a DIFFERENT message!

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It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).

What's the principle at work in THIS?  

"It's all about ME!"  

The reality is in the mind!  

What's real is what is SUBJECTIVE!

The subjective reality is this:  

WE POOR OVERWORKED PRIESTS ARE NOT APPRECIATED!

OUR POOR SSPX IS NOT APPRECIATED!

FOR ALL WE DO, AND WHAT DO WE GET FOR IT?

WE IGNORE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND USE THE ROADS TO GET TO MASS ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

(Read:  they were disobedient of traffic authorities and used the roads when they were told to STAY HOME -- then they criticize others who obeyed the legitimate authorities and stayed home.......the disobedient accuse the obedient of being disobedient!! How's THAT for DIABOLICAL DISORIENTATION!!)


There's more -- but I can already hear members complaining this post is 'too long'.

 

..and other members just not paying attention....................


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You're not on ignore Neil Obstat- I just do not enjoy your posting style. It is too time-consuming to follow.

So then you don't know what I posted, which explains why you would then make an ignorant post like the one you did.  Do you enjoy making ignorant posts?  Is it more fun just not knowing things?  Or is it too much work to read a few sentences?  


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You're not on ignore Neil Obstat- I just do not enjoy your posting style. It is too time-consuming to follow.

So then you don't know what I posted, which explains why you would then make an ignorant post like the one you did.  Do you enjoy making ignorant posts?  Is it more fun just not knowing things?  Or is it too much work to read a few sentences?  


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All of the above.