Author Topic: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance (Read 10967 times)

For Greater Glory · « **on:** January 26, 2014, 03:04:47 PM »

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Hi,
Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).
Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists and others and now this! (conspiracy people) Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, " I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!" :cheers:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.

Matto · « **Reply #1 on:** January 26, 2014, 03:13:43 PM »

Did he say what their sin was that will damn them? Schism I would guess. Did he also say that those who go to the Novus Ordo are going to hell?

John Grace · « **Reply #2 on:** January 26, 2014, 03:18:10 PM »

Has this priest said anything about Bishop Fellay condemning Archbishop Lefebvre?

Frances · « **Reply #3 on:** January 26, 2014, 03:31:54 PM »

:dancing-banana:????Which priest????
He's right. Most likely some of the laity who go to Resistance Mass will go to Hell...along with some who go to SSPX, FSSP, ICK, St. Pius V, etc.!!!!!!!!

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** January 26, 2014, 03:41:12 PM »

Quote from: For Greater Glory

My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening. Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:

This is the kind of sermon that would have me heading for the exit. I couldn't put up with lies and propaganda on a weekly basis. Even if I'm strong enough, my children aren't. I couldn't stick around and allow them to be fed poison instead of wholesome food.

Matthew · « **Reply #5 on:** January 26, 2014, 03:43:21 PM »

Quote from: For Greater Glory

My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening. Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:

The SSPX is giving up the good fight for ~~Tradition~~ the Faith against the demonic Novus Ordo false religion -- betraying, as it were, for human respect and popularity (instead of Judas' 30 pieces of silver)

Judas went to hell.

Which side is the one in danger of hell fire?

I'll give you a hint: It's not the faithful Catholics.

Ekim · « **Reply #6 on:** January 26, 2014, 05:35:18 PM »

I can't wait to hear that recording. Both resistance priests know that I take my family to the local SSPX when they are not in town. None of them said me that all my little ones would go to hell for doing so. Quite the opposite, they ask "what is the mood like at your chapel. "

Matthew · « **Reply #7 on:** January 26, 2014, 06:06:32 PM »

Quote from: Ekim

I can't wait to hear that recording. Both resistance priests know that I take my family to the local SSPX when they are not in town. None of them said me that all my little ones would go to hell for doing so. Quite the opposite, they ask "what is the mood like at your chapel. "

I don't think you understood what this thread is about. I sincerely suggest that you re-read it more carefully.

We're talking about an SSPX priest saying that attending Resistance-affiliated Masses is a mortal sin. Not the other way around! :)

By misreading the thread, you're bringing up the perennial "Red Light/Yellow Light" debate within the Resistance (whether or not we should attend SSPX Masses when a Resistance-affiliated Mass isn't available).

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** January 26, 2014, 06:12:31 PM »

Quote from: For Greater Glory

My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening. Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:

WANTING to attend a Mass offered by a Resistance priest should count, right?

After all, it isn't just adulterers that are condemned, but all who attempted or desired adultery in their hearts (without repenting) even though they were thwarted in some way.

According to Catholic moral theology, desiring to commit some mortal sin is a mortal sin itself.

So I'm in the same boat -- condemned by this priest! Plus I've attended Mass by Fr. Hewko or Fr. Pfeiffer 4 times, and I am unrepentant!

:rolleyes:

All I know is that this priest (whoever he is) has completely LOST IT when it comes to Tradition, the fight against modernism, and even Catholic theology. Where did he learn theology, a crackerjack box?

Whatever "seminary" taught this priest isn't worth a hill of beans. One solid, holy, well-formed Catholic priest is better than thousands of modernist, ill-trained, lukewarm worldly priests.

Ekim · « **Reply #9 on:** January 26, 2014, 08:03:45 PM »

My apologies.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #10 on:** January 26, 2014, 08:12:37 PM »

My daughter said that her friend said that somewhere someone else said that was a bunch of gossipy girls lying about the SSPX because they couldn't get a marriage while shacked up with kids out of wedlock. :read-paper:

Ekim · « **Reply #11 on:** January 26, 2014, 08:13:01 PM »

Feel free to delete my comment.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #12 on:** January 26, 2014, 10:06:55 PM »

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ForGreaterGlory, you get the Academy Award this year from CI! You are the only member whose opening post has been quoted by Matthew THREE TIMES in the first two pages!

You have OBVIOUSLY struck a NERVE.

And fortunately for you, you're not the enemy!

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: For Greater Glory
My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening. Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:

WANTING to attend a Mass offered by a Resistance priest should count, right?

After all, it isn't just adulterers that are condemned, but all who attempted or desired adultery in their hearts (without repenting) even though they were thwarted in some way.

According to Catholic moral theology, desiring to commit some mortal sin is a mortal sin itself.

So I'm in the same boat -- condemned by this priest! Plus I've attended Mass by Fr. Hewko or Fr. Pfeiffer 4 times, and I am unrepentant!

:rolleyes:

All I know is that this priest (whoever he is) has completely LOST IT when it comes to Tradition, the fight against modernism, and even Catholic theology. Where did he learn theology, a crackerjack box?

Whatever "seminary" taught this priest isn't worth a hill of beans. One solid, holy, well-formed Catholic priest is better than thousands of modernist, ill-trained, lukewarm worldly priests.

theology from a crackerjack box <-------------

:roll-laugh1:

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Neil Obstat · « **Reply #13 on:** January 26, 2014, 10:30:25 PM »

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The implications are inescapable.

We have to expect that FGG would not be posting this in error, because he is a reliable member with a great history of authenticity. Therefore, his daughter would not be making it up. For her to tell him means she was disturbed by it and confided in her father. Perfectly natural! It's a good sign, really.

Therefore, the focus is on the priest, "whoever he is."

How many Catholics heard this statement? Were any others offended as FGG's daughter was?

Did anyone approach the priest about this?

If this gets reported to the DS or Menzingen, will anything come of it? Ha! They'll probably send out "ears" to check up on the REACTION that occurs! (Maybe this can be added to the tool box!)

What's the chance that the order to promote this lie came from this priest's immediate superior?

Have there been any other SSPX priests muttering such nonsense?

I can easily imagine +F staying up late at night thinking, "Under what circuмstances would I be able to say this in front of a crowd somewhere?"

What is Fr. Pfluger's reaction to this news?

What would Fr. Nely say about this? Or Fr. Rostand, or Fr. Daniel Themann?

WOULD THIS PRIEST BE PUNISHED FOR SAYING THIS? -- Would he be transferred? Would he be sent away for sensitivity training? Would he be called in for an excoriating tongue-lashing? Would he be penalized? Would he be forbidden from giving sermons until further notice? No? So, in other words, this would not be nearly as terrible an offense as it would be for him to have run a Resistance docuмent though spell check on his computer, correct?

Is this priest (whoever he is) willing to admit that he said this thing?

Or, which is possible, would he deny having said it and then demand to know the NAME of the girl who reported it, so that SHE can be PUNISHED?

This is FURTHER evidence of why Internet anonymity is IMPORTANT!

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Frances · « **Reply #14 on:** January 26, 2014, 10:30:43 PM »

:dancing-banana:
Still waiting to know which priest said it is a mortal sin to go to a Resistance Mass! I'll not flip over my peel until I get the facts. If a priest made the comment in his sermon or in public to parishioners, it is not detraction to name him. If it is his private opinion, then I don't need to know. Either way, he is wrong.