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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: For Greater Glory on January 26, 2014, 03:04:47 PM
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Hi,
Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).
Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists and others and now this! (conspiracy people) Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, " I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Matto on January 26, 2014, 03:13:43 PM
Did he say what their sin was that will damn them? Schism I would guess. Did he also say that those who go to the Novus Ordo are going to hell?
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: John Grace on January 26, 2014, 03:18:10 PM
Has this priest said anything about Bishop Fellay condemning Archbishop Lefebvre?
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Frances on January 26, 2014, 03:31:54 PM
 :dancing-banana:????Which priest????
He's right.  Most likely some of the laity who go to Resistance Mass will go to Hell...along with some who go to SSPX, FSSP, ICK, St. Pius V, etc.!!!!!!!!
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Matthew on January 26, 2014, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: For Greater Glory
My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening.  Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:


This is the kind of sermon that would have me heading for the exit. I couldn't put up with lies and propaganda on a weekly basis. Even if I'm strong enough, my children aren't. I couldn't stick around and allow them to be fed poison instead of wholesome food.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Matthew on January 26, 2014, 03:43:21 PM
Quote from: For Greater Glory
My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening.  Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:


The SSPX is giving up the good fight for Tradition the Faith against the demonic Novus Ordo false religion -- betraying, as it were, for human respect and popularity (instead of Judas' 30 pieces of silver)

Judas went to hell.

Which side is the one in danger of hell fire?

I'll give you a hint: It's not the faithful Catholics.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Ekim on January 26, 2014, 05:35:18 PM
I can't wait to hear that recording.  Both resistance priests know that I take my family to the local SSPX when they are not in town.  None of them said me that all my little ones would go to hell for doing so.  Quite the opposite, they ask "what is the mood like at your chapel. "
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Matthew on January 26, 2014, 06:06:32 PM
Quote from: Ekim
I can't wait to hear that recording.  Both resistance priests know that I take my family to the local SSPX when they are not in town.  None of them said me that all my little ones would go to hell for doing so.  Quite the opposite, they ask "what is the mood like at your chapel. "


I don't think you understood what this thread is about. I sincerely suggest that you re-read it more carefully.

We're talking about an SSPX priest saying that attending Resistance-affiliated Masses is a mortal sin. Not the other way around! :)

By misreading the thread, you're bringing up the perennial "Red Light/Yellow Light" debate within the Resistance (whether or not we should attend SSPX Masses when a Resistance-affiliated Mass isn't available).
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Matthew on January 26, 2014, 06:12:31 PM
Quote from: For Greater Glory
My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening.  Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:


WANTING to attend a Mass offered by a Resistance priest should count, right?

After all, it isn't just adulterers that are condemned, but all who attempted or desired adultery in their hearts (without repenting) even though they were thwarted in some way.

According to Catholic moral theology, desiring to commit some mortal sin is a mortal sin itself.

So I'm in the same boat -- condemned by this priest!  Plus I've attended Mass by Fr. Hewko or Fr. Pfeiffer 4 times, and I am unrepentant!

 :rolleyes:

All I know is that this priest (whoever he is) has completely LOST IT when it comes to Tradition, the fight against modernism, and even Catholic theology. Where did he learn theology, a crackerjack box?

Whatever "seminary" taught this priest isn't worth a hill of beans. One solid, holy, well-formed Catholic priest is better than thousands of modernist, ill-trained, lukewarm worldly priests.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Ekim on January 26, 2014, 08:03:45 PM
My apologies.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Centroamerica on January 26, 2014, 08:12:37 PM
My daughter said that her friend said that somewhere someone else said that was a bunch of gossipy girls lying about the SSPX because they couldn't get a marriage while shacked up with kids out of wedlock.  :read-paper:
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Ekim on January 26, 2014, 08:13:01 PM
Feel free to delete my comment.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2014, 10:06:55 PM
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ForGreaterGlory, you get the Academy Award this year from CI!  You are the only member whose opening post has been quoted by Matthew THREE TIMES in the first two pages!  

You have OBVIOUSLY struck a NERVE.  

And fortunately for you, you're not the enemy!  


Quote from: Matthew
Quote from: For Greater Glory
My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening.  Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:


WANTING to attend a Mass offered by a Resistance priest should count, right?

After all, it isn't just adulterers that are condemned, but all who attempted or desired adultery in their hearts (without repenting) even though they were thwarted in some way.

According to Catholic moral theology, desiring to commit some mortal sin is a mortal sin itself.

So I'm in the same boat -- condemned by this priest!  Plus I've attended Mass by Fr. Hewko or Fr. Pfeiffer 4 times, and I am unrepentant!

 :rolleyes:

All I know is that this priest (whoever he is) has completely LOST IT when it comes to Tradition, the fight against modernism, and even Catholic theology. Where did he learn theology, a crackerjack box?

Whatever "seminary" taught this priest isn't worth a hill of beans. One solid, holy, well-formed Catholic priest is better than thousands of modernist, ill-trained, lukewarm worldly priests.



theology from a crackerjack box <-------------  :laugh2:  :roll-laugh1:




(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4881983151146553&pid=15.1&H=160%20&W=107)

(http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.5060108330992059&pid=15.1&H=129&W=160)

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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2014, 10:30:25 PM
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The implications are inescapable.  

We have to expect that FGG would not be posting this in error, because he is a reliable member with a great history of authenticity.  Therefore, his daughter would not be making it up.  For her to tell him means she was disturbed by it and confided in her father.  Perfectly natural!  It's a good sign, really.  

Therefore, the focus is on the priest, "whoever he is."  

How many Catholics heard this statement?  Were any others offended as FGG's daughter was?

Did anyone approach the priest about this?

If this gets reported to the DS or Menzingen, will anything come of it?  Ha!  They'll probably send out "ears" to check up on the REACTION that occurs!  (Maybe this can be added to the tool box!)

What's the chance that the order to promote this lie came from this priest's immediate superior?  

Have there been any other SSPX priests muttering such nonsense?  

I can easily imagine +F staying up late at night thinking, "Under what circuмstances would I be able to say this in front of a crowd somewhere?"

What is Fr. Pfluger's reaction to this news?

What would Fr. Nely say about this?  Or Fr. Rostand, or Fr. Daniel Themann (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=29223&f=19&min=100#p1)?

WOULD THIS PRIEST BE PUNISHED FOR SAYING THIS? -- Would he be transferred?  Would he be sent away for sensitivity training?  Would he be called in for an excoriating tongue-lashing?  Would he be penalized?  Would he be forbidden from giving sermons until further notice?  No?  So, in other words, this would not be nearly as terrible an offense as it would be for him to have run a Resistance docuмent though spell check on his computer, correct?  

Is this priest (whoever he is) willing to admit that he said this thing?  

Or, which is possible, would he deny having said it and then demand to know the NAME of the girl who reported it, so that SHE can be PUNISHED?

This is FURTHER evidence of why Internet anonymity is IMPORTANT!



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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Frances on January 26, 2014, 10:30:43 PM
 :dancing-banana:
Still waiting to know which priest said it is a mortal sin to go to a Resistance Mass!  I'll not flip over my peel until I get the facts.  If a priest made the comment in his sermon or in public to parishioners, it is not detraction to name him.  If it is his private opinion, then I don't need to know.  Either way, he is wrong.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: MaterDominici on January 26, 2014, 10:35:49 PM
FYI -

For Greater Glory = SHE
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2014, 10:38:54 PM
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Quote

My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning,...




FYI -

For Greater Glory = SHE    <------ thanks, M-D.


Make that an academy award with a long dress!!  HAHAHA

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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2014, 10:45:01 PM
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Revised version!!
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The implications are inescapable.  

We have to expect that FGG would not be posting this in error, because she is a reliable member with a great history of authenticity.  Therefore, her daughter would not be making it up.  For her to tell her means she was disturbed by it and confided in her mother.  Perfectly natural!  It's a good sign, really.  

Therefore, the focus is on the priest, "whoever he is."  

How many Catholics heard this statement?  Were any others offended as FGG's daughter was?

Did anyone approach the priest about this?

If this gets reported to the DS or Menzingen, will anything come of it?  Ha!  They'll probably send out "ears" to check up on the REACTION that occurs!  (Maybe this can be added to the tool box!)

What's the chance that the order to promote this lie came from this priest's immediate superior?  

Have there been any other SSPX priests muttering such nonsense?  

I can easily imagine +F staying up late at night thinking, "Under what circuмstances would I be able to say this in front of a crowd somewhere?"

What is Fr. Pfluger's reaction to this news?


What would Fr. Nely say about this?  Or Fr. Rostand, or Fr. Daniel Themann (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=29223&f=19&min=100#p1)?


WOULD THIS PRIEST BE PUNISHED FOR SAYING THIS? -- Would he be transferred?  Would he be sent away for sensitivity training?  Would he be called in for an excoriating tongue-lashing?  Would he be penalized?  Would he be forbidden from giving sermons until further notice?  No?  So, in other words, this would not be nearly as terrible an offense as it would be for him to have run a Resistance docuмent though spell check on his computer, correct?  

Is this priest (whoever he is) willing to admit that he said this thing?  

Or, which is possible, would he deny having said it and then demand to know the NAME of the girl who reported it, so that SHE can be PUNISHED?

And the girl's mother's name, so she can be dragged over the COALS?  

This is FURTHER evidence of why Internet anonymity is IMPORTANT!



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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: MaterDominici on January 26, 2014, 10:46:42 PM
IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
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Re-Revised version!!
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The implications are inescapable.  

We have to expect that FGG would not be posting this in error, because she is a reliable member with a great history of authenticity.  Therefore, her daughter would not be making it up.  For her to tell her means she was disturbed by it and confided in her mother.  Perfectly natural!  It's a good sign, really.  

Therefore, the focus is on the priest, "whoever he is."  

How many Catholics heard this statement?  Were any others offended as FGG's daughter was?

Did anyone approach the priest about this?

If this gets reported to the DS or Menzingen, will anything come of it?  Ha!  They'll probably send out "ears" to check up on the REACTION that occurs!  (Maybe this can be added to the tool box!)

What's the chance that the order to promote this lie came from this priest's immediate superior?  

Have there been any other SSPX priests muttering such nonsense?  

I can easily imagine +F staying up late at night thinking, "Under what circuмstances would I be able to say this in front of a crowd somewhere?"

What is Fr. Pfluger's reaction to this news?


What would Fr. Nely say about this?  Or Fr. Rostand, or Fr. Daniel Themann (http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=29223&f=19&min=100#p1)?


WOULD THIS PRIEST BE PUNISHED FOR SAYING THIS? -- Would he be transferred?  Would he be sent away for sensitivity training?  Would he be called in for an excoriating tongue-lashing?  Would he be penalized?  Would he be forbidden from giving sermons until further notice?  No?  So, in other words, this would not be nearly as terrible an offense as it would be for him to have run a Resistance docuмent though spell check on his computer, correct?  

Is this priest (whoever he is) willing to admit that he said this thing?  

Or, which is possible, would he deny having said it and then demand to know the NAME of the girl who reported it, so that SHE can be PUNISHED?

And the girl's mother's name, so she can be dragged over the COALS?  

This is FURTHER evidence of why Internet anonymity is IMPORTANT!



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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2014, 10:53:46 PM
Quote from: MaterDominici
IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.


Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

Does anyone have his phone number?!?!


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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Matthew on January 26, 2014, 10:56:40 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
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What's the chance that the order to promote this lie came from this priest's immediate superior?  


If indeed the priest is who we think it is, and if by "immediate superior" you mean the head of his priory -- not a chance. Fr. Zendejas might not have joined the Resistance yet, but he's certainly not an enemy. He's a very solid priest, and you'll have to trust me on the rest of it.

Fr. Zendejas has enough to worry about already that "Matthew from CathInfo is favorable towards him." I don't want to get the priest in trouble...

If by "immediate superior" you mean Fr. Rostand, then of course anything goes.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Matthew on January 26, 2014, 10:58:01 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: MaterDominici
IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.


Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

Does anyone have his phone number?!?!


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He should be at the Queen of Angels priory in D ickinson, TX during the week. I'm sure the contact info is on the web somewhere.

Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2014, 11:24:04 PM
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Good info.  However, not wanting to cause trouble, perhaps it is prudent to ask For Greater Glory, even if by PM, whether we would do damage to anyone's situation by calling Fr. Portugal tomorrow.  

I'm not going to do this because I'm not from the area and I don't know enough details, so how would I answer accusations of INTERNET RUMOUR!! ?

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Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

"In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  




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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: MaterDominici on January 26, 2014, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
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Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

"In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  




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 :laugh1:
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 26, 2014, 11:34:02 PM
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Thank you, and, thank you.  



I had a little too much fun with that, I'll admit.  
And, I hope it's not fun at FGG's expense.  




But

I

just

couldn't

resist...............................   :pc:
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Frances on January 26, 2014, 11:36:20 PM
 :dancing-banana:
Wow!  I figured I wouldn't know the priest.  It seems I know both of them!  But not well enough to have their phone numbers.  I can imagine Fr. Portugal stating it as his opinion---with which  I disagree  vehemently!   But his stating it doesn't make it so.  What, if anything, does he do about it?  Does he deny parishioners the Sacraments?  Send spies to watch and report?  If not, I'd chalk it up to Fr. Portugal being extremely opinionated with a hot temper.  (No, priests are not perfect!)  Unless he treats parishioners unjustly, I think I'd let it go, or, if my children were hurt, I'd talk with him privately.  
Sorry, but I cannot imagine Fr. Zendejas ever saying such a thing, except perhaps as a question to provoke serious thought, or quoting someone else, not as a blanket condemnation to Hell.  It does not sound like him at all, not even in English with a Spanish accent!  If he did say it and puts teeth into his words, then someone please PM me with his phone #!!!


Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: For Greater Glory on January 27, 2014, 01:47:58 AM
Hi,  
Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).
Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists  and others and now this! (conspiracy people) Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but  he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, " I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: ggreg on January 27, 2014, 02:59:40 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: MaterDominici
IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.


Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

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I thought Portugal would never lose the Dogma of the Faith.  :scratchchin:
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 27, 2014, 04:30:48 AM
Quote from: ggreg
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: MaterDominici
IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.


Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

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I thought Portugal would never lose the Dogma of the Faith.  :scratchchin:



 :laugh1:

You're right on target, ggreg!  (But you should have read three more posts on that page!)

Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: Neil Obstat
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Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

"In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  




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 :laugh1:
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 27, 2014, 05:48:51 AM
Quote from: For Greater Glory
Hi,  
Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).

Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists  and others and now this! (conspiracy people)

Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but  he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, "I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.




A-ha!



So it WAS an Internet rumour!



It wasn't Fr. Portugal literally saying that
those who assist at Resistance Masses will go to hell,
but rather that was the IMAGE HE PUT INTO THE MIND OF THE LISTENER
without Fr. Portugal having to say the words!

This way,

he can deliver a message like this, and then later,
he can deny that he delivered the message!!  


TA-DAAAA!  

(That's not the same as Te Deum.)






What he SAID was,

He wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention.
*READ*  "I'm not responsible for this."

He said that people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story.
*READ*  "Conspiracy theorists are running rampant, especially on the Internet!"

He noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning!
*READ*  "Internet rumours effect home-alone-ism."

He said, it's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet.
*READ*  "Internet use is EVIL."

He said they believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments.  
*READ*  "If you only listened to me instead of reading the Internet you wouldn't have these problems!"

He said priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and then, only two people show up.
*READ*  "Oy-Veh!  I'm being victimized!  This is discrimination!"

He said that after all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest.
*READ*  "Shame on you for not remaining subject to my hypnosis!"

He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo.
*READ*  "Oy-Veh!  We Society priests are the victims here!"

He said that the SSPX is always being attacked by the sedevacantists.
*READ*  "Sedevacantism results when you deny Vat.II, OR the new orientation of the SSPX."

He said that the SSPX is always being attacked by others, and now this! -- the SSPX is now being attacked by conspiracy-believing people!
*READ*  "The reality is in your mind -- BUT YOUR SUBJECTIVE REALITY IS WRONG!"

Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment.
*READ*  "Let me explain to you what God has in mind, because I know the mind of God!"

Father said, but it's a comforting thought to know there is a second judgment.
*READ*  "Here goes!"

Father said that God will deal with these evil people!
*READ*  "My word is the GOSPEL TRUTH!  Because as an SSPX priest who agrees with the Menzingen-denizens, I HAVE THE GRACE OF STATE!  MY JUDGMENT IS TANTAMOUNT TO GOD'S JUDGMENT!"

*READ*  "If You Don't Come Here To Mass You Can Go To Hell."




Now, that's a horse of a different color!  





But it's still noteworthy.  This demonstrates several principles at work.  

The new orientation of the Society makes them try to accommodate Newchurch, and this is what happens when you try to accommodate Newchurch.  You get ambiguous language that tries to impart an image into the minds of the listener, and that image is going to be DIFFERENT in the mind of different listeners.  

This is actually the REVERSE of what the Apostles had -- the gift of tongues, whereby they spoke one language to a crowd, and various different people in the crowd whose native tongues were different, each heard the Apostles speaking in each of those various languages.  But they all heard the SAME MESSAGE!

Now, we have the opposite phenomenon going on.  Now an ambiguous sermon means different things to different people ALL OF WHOM SPEAK THE SAME NATIVE TONGUE that the priest is speaking, but each of whom has different ways of understanding his words.  They all hear a DIFFERENT message!




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It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).



What's the principle at work in THIS?  

"It's all about ME!"  

The reality is in the mind!  

What's real is what is SUBJECTIVE!

The subjective reality is this:  

WE POOR OVERWORKED PRIESTS ARE NOT APPRECIATED!

OUR POOR SSPX IS NOT APPRECIATED!

FOR ALL WE DO, AND WHAT DO WE GET FOR IT?

WE IGNORE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND USE THE ROADS TO GET TO MASS ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

(Read:  they were disobedient of traffic authorities and used the roads when they were told to STAY HOME -- then they criticize others who obeyed the legitimate authorities and stayed home.......the disobedient accuse the obedient of being disobedient!! How's THAT for DIABOLICAL DISORIENTATION!!)


There's more -- but I can already hear members complaining this post is 'too long'.

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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 27, 2014, 06:11:30 AM
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To many members, the last two paragraphs are most important:

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This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.



How are we supposed to get new people to show up for Mass when all this tension and bickering is going on?

This is not good for young adults.

Having a Catholic spouse makes for a lifetime of fewer problems.

Most Catholic marriages that "end' in "divorce" (how's that for a non-sequitur?) do so because one of the spouses was not Catholic (more mixed marriages end in divorce).

How can a young adult do the right thing when he or she has to choose between their fiancee or the Church?

How can you expect a non-Catholic to be interested in converting when the grass looks greener on THIS side of the fence, instead of the OTHER side?

What kind of priest preaches "charity" and then turns around and demonstrates a LACK of charity?

Answer:  

Read Romans Chapter Two.  Especially verses 1-3, and 21-23:

1 "WHEREFORE thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest.  For wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself.  For thou dost the same things which thou judgest.  2 For we know that the judgment of God is, according to truth, against them that do such things.  3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them who do such things, and dost the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?"

 21 "Thou therefore that teachest another, teachest not thyself:  thou that preachest that men should not steal, stealest:  22 Thou that sayest, men should not commit adultery, committest adultery:  thou that abhorrest idols, committest sacrilege:  23 Thou that makest thy boast of the law, by transgression of the law dishonourest God."


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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: s2srea on January 27, 2014, 09:27:27 AM
I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: ggreg on January 27, 2014, 11:03:24 AM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: ggreg
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: MaterDominici
IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.


Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

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I thought Portugal would never lose the Dogma of the Faith.  :scratchchin:



 :laugh1:

You're right on target, ggreg!  (But you should have read three more posts on that page!)

Quote from: MaterDominici
Quote from: Neil Obstat
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Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

"In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  




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 :laugh1:


I need to stop reading the posts backwards.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: For Greater Glory on January 27, 2014, 03:27:47 PM
Quote from: s2srea
I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.


Hi s2rea,
     When I got home late last night, I was able to post more information. It's on page 10. My daughter is 30 years old, raised in the faith, Catholic homeschooling, and has attended the SSPX since she was 14. Her fiancee is 43 years old. I really don't think they misunderstood, because we (myself and others) have had to endure Father's sermons for awhile now. Some of what he says is correct, but it's the way he delivers it. He is in need of prayers. I understand he's been a very good priest in the past.

What gets me, is that Father will not discuss the matter of the SSPX-Rome issue with us. He just attacks.      Kyrie Eleison
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Matthew on January 27, 2014, 03:32:45 PM
Quote from: For Greater Glory
Hi,  
Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).
Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists  and others and now this! (conspiracy people) Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but  he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, " I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.


Wait a minute...

So you're openly confirming this was Fr. Portugal. Where does he normally say Mass? I know he's based in the Houston priory, but I know there's no Resistance Mass around here for a 1/2 a day's drive.

I guess that makes sense -- Father DID say he drove 10 hours. And Houston is already 3 1/2 hours from where I am.

You said you were off to a Resistance Mass. Is it in Louisiana?

EDIT: I just re-read and saw that you already answered my question: it's in New Orleans.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: For Greater Glory on January 27, 2014, 03:51:16 PM

Wait a minute...

So you're openly confirming this was Fr. Portugal. Where does he normally say Mass? I know he's based in the Houston priory, but I know there's no Resistance Mass around here for a 1/2 a day's drive.

I guess that makes sense -- Father DID say he drove 10 hours. And Houston is already 3 1/2 hours from where I am.

You said you were off to a Resistance Mass. Is it in Louisiana?

EDIT: I just re-read and saw that you already answered my question: it's in New Orleans.
[/quote]

Matthew,

    Father says Mass at Our Lady of Sorrows in Baton Rouge and Our Lady of Grace in Kenner. He drives from ####inson, which is usually about a 5 hour drive, but because of the weather, 10 hours.

Fr. Pfeiffer said Mass at a hotel in La Place, which is about 30 miles outside New Orleans.  We're hopeful Father can come again!         God bless[/quote]

P. S. It's where Queen of Angels is, Texas.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: McFiggly on January 27, 2014, 04:11:10 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

"In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  



 :roll-laugh1:

Yes, that has to be what Our Lady of Fatima meant after all; that there would be a Fr. Portugal who would rise up as True Pope to restore the Church. We never would have guessed that she could be so subtle.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 27, 2014, 05:09:14 PM
Quote from: McFiggly
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

"In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  



 :roll-laugh1:

Yes, that has to be what Our Lady of Fatima meant after all; that there would be a Fr. Portugal who would rise up as True Pope to restore the Church. We never would have guessed that she could be so subtle.



That's right, McFiggly!  Subtle.  Subtle indeed!  So subtle that, well, ................

You know, there's something missing in that quote -- I left out the "...etc."  It should go like this:



Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father Portugal, that, "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, etc.?"  



So............. the "etc" usually is what takes the place of the Third Secret.  But we don't have THAT yet.  

Maybe the "etc" refers to Fr. Portugal taking the place of the Pope?  Maybe Fr. Portugal can take the place of Pope AND the Third Secret?  Hmmm?  


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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 27, 2014, 05:18:12 PM
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s2srea would not have made this post..

Quote from: s2srea
I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.


..if he had already read this post (following), but if he has me on HIDE, of course, he'd just be missing out..

Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: For Greater Glory
Hi,  
Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).

Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists  and others and now this! (conspiracy people)

Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but  he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, "I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.




A-ha!



So it WAS an Internet rumour!



It wasn't Fr. Portugal literally saying that
those who assist at Resistance Masses will go to hell,
but rather that was the IMAGE HE PUT INTO THE MIND OF THE LISTENER
without Fr. Portugal having to say the words!

This way,

he can deliver a message like this, and then later,
he can deny that he delivered the message!!  


TA-DAAAA!  

(That's not the same as Te Deum.)






What he SAID was,

He wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention.
*READ*  "I'm not responsible for this."

He said that people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story.
*READ*  "Conspiracy theorists are running rampant, especially on the Internet!"

He noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning!
*READ*  "Internet rumours effect home-alone-ism."

He said, it's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet.
*READ*  "Internet use is EVIL."

He said they believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments.  
*READ*  "If you only listened to me instead of reading the Internet you wouldn't have these problems!"

He said priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and then, only two people show up.
*READ*  "Oy-Veh!  I'm being victimized!  This is discrimination!"

He said that after all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest.
*READ*  "Shame on you for not remaining subject to my hypnosis!"

He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo.
*READ*  "Oy-Veh!  We Society priests are the victims here!"

He said that the SSPX is always being attacked by the sedevacantists.
*READ*  "Sedevacantism results when you deny Vat.II, OR the new orientation of the SSPX."

He said that the SSPX is always being attacked by others, and now this! -- the SSPX is now being attacked by conspiracy-believing people!
*READ*  "The reality is in your mind -- BUT YOUR SUBJECTIVE REALITY IS WRONG!"

Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment.
*READ*  "Let me explain to you what God has in mind, because I know the mind of God!"

Father said, but it's a comforting thought to know there is a second judgment.
*READ*  "Here goes!"

Father said that God will deal with these evil people!
*READ*  "My word is the GOSPEL TRUTH!  Because as an SSPX priest who agrees with the Menzingen-denizens, I HAVE THE GRACE OF STATE!  MY JUDGMENT IS TANTAMOUNT TO GOD'S JUDGMENT!"




*READ*  "If You Don't Come Here To Mass, You Can Just Go To Hell."




Now, that's a horse of a different color!  





But it's still noteworthy.  This demonstrates several principles at work.  

The new orientation of the Society makes them try to accommodate Newchurch, and this is what happens when you try to accommodate Newchurch.  You get ambiguous language that tries to impart an image into the minds of the listener, and that image is going to be DIFFERENT in the mind of different listeners.  

This is actually the REVERSE of what the Apostles had -- the gift of tongues, whereby they spoke one language to a crowd, and various different people in the crowd whose native tongues were different, each heard the Apostles speaking in each of those various languages.  But they all heard the SAME MESSAGE!

Now, we have the opposite phenomenon going on.  Now an ambiguous sermon means different things to different people ALL OF WHOM SPEAK THE SAME NATIVE TONGUE that the priest is speaking, but each of whom has different ways of understanding his words.  They all hear a DIFFERENT message!




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It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).



What's the principle at work in THIS?  

"It's all about ME!"  

The reality is in the mind!  

What's real is what is SUBJECTIVE!

The subjective reality is this:  

WE POOR OVERWORKED PRIESTS ARE NOT APPRECIATED!

OUR POOR SSPX IS NOT APPRECIATED!

FOR ALL WE DO, AND WHAT DO WE GET FOR IT?

WE IGNORE PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND USE THE ROADS TO GET TO MASS ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

(Read:  they were disobedient of traffic authorities and used the roads when they were told to STAY HOME -- then they criticize others who obeyed the legitimate authorities and stayed home.......the disobedient accuse the obedient of being disobedient!! How's THAT for DIABOLICAL DISORIENTATION!!)


There's more -- but I can already hear members complaining this post is 'too long'.
 

..and other members just not paying attention....................


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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: s2srea on January 27, 2014, 07:09:51 PM
You're not on ignore Neil Obstat- I just do not enjoy your posting style. It is too time-consuming to follow.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 27, 2014, 07:28:41 PM
Quote from: s2srea
You're not on ignore Neil Obstat- I just do not enjoy your posting style. It is too time-consuming to follow.


So then you don't know what I posted, which explains why you would then make an ignorant post like the one you did.  Do you enjoy making ignorant posts?  Is it more fun just not knowing things?  Or is it too much work to read a few sentences?  


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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Frances on January 27, 2014, 07:30:28 PM
 :dancing-banana:
Fr. Portugal drove 10 hours to find only two parishioners because the rest went went to the Mass of another priest with whom he is upset.  I guess I'd be a bit put out by that, myself.  He did not actually say the missing people were going to Hell.  He gave his opinion.  If that's all he did, forget it.  I don't agree with Fr. Portugal, but I think this incident has all the makings of a true internet rumor!
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: s2srea on January 27, 2014, 07:43:38 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
Quote from: s2srea
You're not on ignore Neil Obstat- I just do not enjoy your posting style. It is too time-consuming to follow.


So then you don't know what I posted, which explains why you would then make an ignorant post like the one you did.  Do you enjoy making ignorant posts?  Is it more fun just not knowing things?  Or is it too much work to read a few sentences?  


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All of the above.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Frances on January 27, 2014, 07:53:27 PM
Quote from: Neil Obstat
... a few sentences?  

 :dancing-banana:?????!!!!!
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Centroamerica on January 27, 2014, 08:00:05 PM
Quote from: Frances
Quote from: Neil Obstat
... a few sentences?  

 :dancing-banana:?????!!!!!


Since when is a dissertation of generalized priest slander only a few sentences. This coming from the guy who writes exams on this forum. Read a book or find a hobby for crying out loud. Maybe try socializing without the internet and see how healthy your life is. Excercize. (correct mispelled incomplete sentences freelance for Catholic printing presses)
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Centroamerica on January 27, 2014, 08:19:31 PM
Quote from: For Greater Glory
Quote from: s2srea
I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.


Hi s2rea,
     When I got home late last night, I was able to post more information. It's on page 10. My daughter is 30 years old, raised in the faith, Catholic homeschooling, and has attended the SSPX since she was 14. Her fiancee is 43 years old. I really don't think they misunderstood, because we (myself and others) have had to endure Father's sermons for awhile now. Some of what he says is correct, but it's the way he delivers it. He is in need of prayers. I understand he's been a very good priest in the past.

What gets me, is that Father will not discuss the matter of the SSPX-Rome issue with us. He just attacks.      Kyrie Eleison


Maybe I'm being judgemental because I don't know the people jnvolved, but this is ridiculous to me. The same arguments as to why people are not liking the SSPX here are the same arguments as to why I am dealing in real life with people not wanting to attend resistance Masses. I attend a resistance Mass, and heard criticism that this resistance priest will stop talking during a sermon and suggests that a child is taken out who makes noise. Here the posters were crying about the "novelty" of cryrooms. Now they are complaining about not liking a certain priests sermons etc.

The truth is you people are snobs in both camps who think you are better are smarter than our priests who sacrafice everything for your ingratitude. The way he delivers his sermon, my daughter doesn't like him. And then you have the audacity to get on here and say that a priest said something he did not, whether you corrected it later or not doesn't even matter. I think it was St. Dom Bosco who had a couple of gossipers do penance by walking through a town plucking the feathers off of a live chicken. Then when they saw him and they had finished he asked them to go and gather every single feather. When they said they could not he told them that is the same with repairing the damage done by their rumors. Who knows where the winds have carried them off to.

Speaking bluntly, these priest slandering gossiping women who are seeking to spread their rumors through the resistance are doing harm to both the resistance and the good priests who are in the SSPX. Snobs like this don't even have the faith in my opinion or if they did they would be more prudent about diffusing rumors about one of Christ's priest. Really though. These people are pieces of crap in my opinion. You want to talk about priests go talk about the Novus Ordo or someone who deserves to be criticized. But din't criticize a good priest just because your daughter doesn't like him because he is strick in terms of marriage or tough in the confessional or whatever prejudices someone might hold.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 27, 2014, 09:51:54 PM
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To FGG's credit she came back and explained herself in detail.

Posting this thread was a mistake, with this title.  

The title should be changed.  

Readers should be warned.  

The priest did not say that laity who go to Resistance Masses [are] going to hell.

It's too bad that it has come down to this, but when people in the congregation hear things that leave them thinking that was the message, something is wrong with the way the priest delivered it, somehow.  The day will come when the change will leave our children asking, "How could this have happened?"  And we should be able to say how it happened, because here it is, happening.  Are we going to recognize the time of our visitation?  The Jєωs didn't, so they crucified Our Lord.


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Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: For Greater Glory on January 27, 2014, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: Frances
:dancing-banana:
Fr. Portugal drove 10 hours to find only two parishioners because the rest went went to the Mass of another priest with whom he is upset.  I guess I'd be a bit put out by that, myself.  He did not actually say the missing people were going to Hell.  He gave his opinion.  If that's all he did, forget it.  I don't agree with Fr. Portugal, but I think this incident has all the makings of a true internet rumor!



Frances,
    Father was referring to the Mass on Saturday. The Mass with the resistance priest was Sunday evening. The reason only 2 people showed up was due to bad weather and the authorities had closed the roads.
   
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Azul on January 28, 2014, 01:22:07 AM
Quote from: For Greater Glory
My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening.  Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:

Added by Moderator:
(Here is more information, posted later in the thread by FGG:)

Hi,
Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe cօռspιʀαcιҽs and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).
Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists and others and now this! (conspiracy people) Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, " I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.


I understand when a woman exaggerates things, they often do. But what I cannot get is how so many of you men swallow this post hook, line and sinker. I have read and reread the original post by For Greater Glory and I cannot find an actual quote attributed to Father Portugal, but only the weakest (my daughter said) hearsay. I can think of more than a few young people who would be happy to diss a priest if it would mean they could either please mama and/or get out of attending Mass with the reluctant boyfriend altogether.

It would be understandable if Father was a little put out by the low attendance after all the trouble he had to go to travelling the icy roads that no one else wanted to. But how this woman got from that to "Father said those who attend the resistance Mass will go to Hell" is completely incomprehensible and irresponsible.

I do believe that this kind of unsubstantiated tale bearing regarding a priest is sinful and in no way pleasing to God. We should be very careful what we whisper in the ear about a priest, much less what we publish online.
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: Azul on January 28, 2014, 01:49:37 AM
Quote from: Centroamerica
Quote from: For Greater Glory
Quote from: s2srea
I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.


Hi s2rea,
     When I got home late last night, I was able to post more information. It's on page 10. My daughter is 30 years old, raised in the faith, Catholic homeschooling, and has attended the SSPX since she was 14. Her fiancee is 43 years old. I really don't think they misunderstood, because we (myself and others) have had to endure Father's sermons for awhile now. Some of what he says is correct, but it's the way he delivers it. He is in need of prayers. I understand he's been a very good priest in the past.

What gets me, is that Father will not discuss the matter of the SSPX-Rome issue with us. He just attacks.      Kyrie Eleison


Maybe I'm being judgemental because I don't know the people jnvolved, but this is ridiculous to me. The same arguments as to why people are not liking the SSPX here are the same arguments as to why I am dealing in real life with people not wanting to attend resistance Masses. I attend a resistance Mass, and heard criticism that this resistance priest will stop talking during a sermon and suggests that a child is taken out who makes noise. Here the posters were crying about the "novelty" of cryrooms. Now they are complaining about not liking a certain priests sermons etc.

The truth is you people are snobs in both camps who think you are better are smarter than our priests who sacrafice everything for your ingratitude. The way he delivers his sermon, my daughter doesn't like him. And then you have the audacity to get on here and say that a priest said something he did not, whether you corrected it later or not doesn't even matter. I think it was St. Dom Bosco who had a couple of gossipers do penance by walking through a town plucking the feathers off of a live chicken. Then when they saw him and they had finished he asked them to go and gather every single feather. When they said they could not he told them that is the same with repairing the damage done by their rumors. Who knows where the winds have carried them off to.

Speaking bluntly, these priest slandering gossiping women who are seeking to spread their rumors through the resistance are doing harm to both the resistance and the good priests who are in the SSPX. Snobs like this don't even have the faith in my opinion or if they did they would be more prudent about diffusing rumors about one of Christ's priest. Really though. These people are pieces of crap in my opinion. You want to talk about priests go talk about the Novus Ordo or someone who deserves to be criticized. But din't criticize a good priest just because your daughter doesn't like him because he is strick in terms of marriage or tough in the confessional or whatever prejudices someone might hold.


I agree with you, Centroamerica. I know Father Portugal well. I know Father Hewko well. I have known them since they were college and seminary students. In fact, I know many of the priests on both sides. They are good priests, holy priests. They mean well and are doing the best they can to navigate in a rough sea. There will be saints on both sides of this thing and it may well last until the Immaculate Heart triumphs and clears it all up. We have priests on both sides who don't have enough to eat, don't have a cassock that isn't worn thin, who suffer from depression, from loneliness for their loved ones and we, the so-called faithful, only add to it with our terrible ingratitude.

Why, in Heaven's name do we have to tear down priests just to justify our actions? We need to stop this right now and pray for them. We need to love them. They have left everything for us. None of us has done such an extreme thing for God or for each other. The SSPX priests are sons of Our Lady, just like the resistance priests are. She watches over them and she sees our disgusting and petty backbiting and criticisms. May God and His Holy Mother forgive us, myself included, for ever complaining about our good priests. Please, let us just pray for them!
Title: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: LoverOfTradition on January 28, 2014, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: Azul
Quote from: Centroamerica
Quote from: For Greater Glory
Quote from: s2srea
I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.


Hi s2rea,
     When I got home late last night, I was able to post more information. It's on page 10. My daughter is 30 years old, raised in the faith, Catholic homeschooling, and has attended the SSPX since she was 14. Her fiancee is 43 years old. I really don't think they misunderstood, because we (myself and others) have had to endure Father's sermons for awhile now. Some of what he says is correct, but it's the way he delivers it. He is in need of prayers. I understand he's been a very good priest in the past.

What gets me, is that Father will not discuss the matter of the SSPX-Rome issue with us. He just attacks.      Kyrie Eleison


Maybe I'm being judgemental because I don't know the people jnvolved, but this is ridiculous to me. The same arguments as to why people are not liking the SSPX here are the same arguments as to why I am dealing in real life with people not wanting to attend resistance Masses. I attend a resistance Mass, and heard criticism that this resistance priest will stop talking during a sermon and suggests that a child is taken out who makes noise. Here the posters were crying about the "novelty" of cryrooms. Now they are complaining about not liking a certain priests sermons etc.

The truth is you people are snobs in both camps who think you are better are smarter than our priests who sacrafice everything for your ingratitude. The way he delivers his sermon, my daughter doesn't like him. And then you have the audacity to get on here and say that a priest said something he did not, whether you corrected it later or not doesn't even matter. I think it was St. Dom Bosco who had a couple of gossipers do penance by walking through a town plucking the feathers off of a live chicken. Then when they saw him and they had finished he asked them to go and gather every single feather. When they said they could not he told them that is the same with repairing the damage done by their rumors. Who knows where the winds have carried them off to.

Speaking bluntly, these priest slandering gossiping women who are seeking to spread their rumors through the resistance are doing harm to both the resistance and the good priests who are in the SSPX. Snobs like this don't even have the faith in my opinion or if they did they would be more prudent about diffusing rumors about one of Christ's priest. Really though. These people are pieces of crap in my opinion. You want to talk about priests go talk about the Novus Ordo or someone who deserves to be criticized. But din't criticize a good priest just because your daughter doesn't like him because he is strick in terms of marriage or tough in the confessional or whatever prejudices someone might hold.


I agree with you, Centroamerica. I know Father Portugal well. I know Father Hewko well. I have known them since they were college and seminary students. In fact, I know many of the priests on both sides. They are good priests, holy priests. They mean well and are doing the best they can to navigate in a rough sea. There will be saints on both sides of this thing and it may well last until the Immaculate Heart triumphs and clears it all up. We have priests on both sides who don't have enough to eat, don't have a cassock that isn't worn thin, who suffer from depression, from loneliness for their loved ones and we, the so-called faithful, only add to it with our terrible ingratitude.

Why, in Heaven's name do we have to tear down priests just to justify our actions? We need to stop this right now and pray for them. We need to love them. They have left everything for us. None of us has done such an extreme thing for God or for each other. The SSPX priests are sons of Our Lady, just like the resistance priests are. She watches over them and she sees our disgusting and petty backbiting and criticisms. May God and His Holy Mother forgive us, myself included, for ever complaining about our good priests. Please, let us just pray for them!


Well said, Azul! One should keep in mind that the Priest represents Our Lord Jesus Christ. What is done to the Priest is done to Christ, St. John Chrysostom says. Imagine if Fr. Portugal were reading this. It's public, after all. Please don't forget that, everyone, and be wise with the words you say.
Title: Re: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: EPMary on November 27, 2017, 05:54:40 PM
Lady,  you seem to have it out for this particular priest. You blast him on social media and public forums for all to read and are basically attacking his character and reputation.  I think those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.  You don't know this priest personally,  only by his sermons and the gossip you "heard". How petty are you to publicly criticize the man of the cloth.  You take whatever you need from every sermon,  sometimes that message might not be for you but someone else struggling.  Say a rosary if you wanna check out,  but your methodology of attacking priests makes me wonder why you go to church? Become a Lutheran if you're so miserable.  Focus on yourself and your family.  Stop being a busy body and gossiping.  You're making Catholics look bad.  God Bless.
Title: Re: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 27, 2017, 06:47:05 PM
I only read the OP and the last post, and am responding to those:

1) When Fr. Boyle was pastor at my SSPX chapel, Fr. Portugal was often the one who came to say Mass when Fr. Boyle had (or chose?) to be away.

2) This was on at least three occasions, and on each of those occasions, Fr. Portugal had something to say against the Resistance (explicitly and/or implicitly).

3) It made me wonder whether Fr. Boyle was ordered away (or chose to be away), just so Fr. Portugal could come in and give an anti-Resistance sermon, or, if Fr. Portugal is simply a loather of the Resistance, and we were at the top of his mind.

4) On a couple occasions, Fr. Portugal (who knew me from my visit to St. Michael's School in England with Fr. Iscara during my summer apostolate 15 years prior), looked directly at me during the course of these sermons (No, it was not imagined; his gaze paused nowhere else in this fashion during these sermons).

We began to wonder whether he was being sent explicitly for the purpose of giving anti-Resistance sermons, which Fr. Boyle would be insulated from as pastor (i.e., it wasn't him; he was on "vacation").  

The point being this:

Fr. Portugal is an open, public, and voluntary enemy of the Resistance, and that someone would suggest reporting on it as "back-biting" (when sermons are given to 400+ people on a Sunday?) is nonsense.

Whether Fr. Portugal really looks forward to the damnation of whichever among us shall be damned, I seriously doubt (despite his caustic exterior disposition).

But that he despises the Resistance, I have no doubt at all.



Title: Re: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 27, 2017, 06:53:08 PM
PS: 

Just for context, these were the days (roughly 2012 - 2014) when the Resistance was formidable in St. Paul/Minneapolis (at least 100 strong in a parish of 400 +/-).

We had received visits from Several other anti-Resistance priests during this time, who gave anti-Resistance sermons, including:

-Fr. Rutledge (former paster here);

-Fr. Rostand;

-Fr. Wegner;

-Fr. Jackson;

-A very anti-Resistance seminary professor, whose name escapes me.

Perhaps others.

I have written elsewhere about some of the reasons our strength died out; no need to go into that here.

Now days, we do not receive these anti-Resistance visitors anymore.

They are not needed.

There is no sizable Resistance here to speak of.

Title: Re: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
Post by: SeanJohnson on November 27, 2017, 07:07:07 PM
EP Mary-

Pardon my negligence, but I am just now noticing -after having offered 2 responses- that you (in your inaugural post) are digging up this old thread from nearly 4 years ago.

May I ask why?