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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2014, 08:00:05 PM »
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    ... a few sentences?  

     :dancing-banana:?????!!!!!


    Since when is a dissertation of generalized priest slander only a few sentences. This coming from the guy who writes exams on this forum. Read a book or find a hobby for crying out loud. Maybe try socializing without the internet and see how healthy your life is. Excercize. (correct mispelled incomplete sentences freelance for Catholic printing presses)
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

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    « Reply #46 on: January 27, 2014, 08:19:31 PM »
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    I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.


    Hi s2rea,
         When I got home late last night, I was able to post more information. It's on page 10. My daughter is 30 years old, raised in the faith, Catholic homeschooling, and has attended the SSPX since she was 14. Her fiancee is 43 years old. I really don't think they misunderstood, because we (myself and others) have had to endure Father's sermons for awhile now. Some of what he says is correct, but it's the way he delivers it. He is in need of prayers. I understand he's been a very good priest in the past.

    What gets me, is that Father will not discuss the matter of the SSPX-Rome issue with us. He just attacks.      Kyrie Eleison


    Maybe I'm being judgemental because I don't know the people jnvolved, but this is ridiculous to me. The same arguments as to why people are not liking the SSPX here are the same arguments as to why I am dealing in real life with people not wanting to attend resistance Masses. I attend a resistance Mass, and heard criticism that this resistance priest will stop talking during a sermon and suggests that a child is taken out who makes noise. Here the posters were crying about the "novelty" of cryrooms. Now they are complaining about not liking a certain priests sermons etc.

    The truth is you people are snobs in both camps who think you are better are smarter than our priests who sacrafice everything for your ingratitude. The way he delivers his sermon, my daughter doesn't like him. And then you have the audacity to get on here and say that a priest said something he did not, whether you corrected it later or not doesn't even matter. I think it was St. Dom Bosco who had a couple of gossipers do penance by walking through a town plucking the feathers off of a live chicken. Then when they saw him and they had finished he asked them to go and gather every single feather. When they said they could not he told them that is the same with repairing the damage done by their rumors. Who knows where the winds have carried them off to.

    Speaking bluntly, these priest slandering gossiping women who are seeking to spread their rumors through the resistance are doing harm to both the resistance and the good priests who are in the SSPX. Snobs like this don't even have the faith in my opinion or if they did they would be more prudent about diffusing rumors about one of Christ's priest. Really though. These people are pieces of crap in my opinion. You want to talk about priests go talk about the Novus Ordo or someone who deserves to be criticized. But din't criticize a good priest just because your daughter doesn't like him because he is strick in terms of marriage or tough in the confessional or whatever prejudices someone might hold.
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...


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    Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
    « Reply #47 on: January 27, 2014, 09:51:54 PM »
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    To FGG's credit she came back and explained herself in detail.

    Posting this thread was a mistake, with this title.  

    The title should be changed.  

    Readers should be warned.  

    The priest did not say that laity who go to Resistance Masses [are] going to hell.

    It's too bad that it has come down to this, but when people in the congregation hear things that leave them thinking that was the message, something is wrong with the way the priest delivered it, somehow.  The day will come when the change will leave our children asking, "How could this have happened?"  And we should be able to say how it happened, because here it is, happening.  Are we going to recognize the time of our visitation?  The Jews didn't, so they crucified Our Lord.


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    Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
    « Reply #48 on: January 27, 2014, 10:00:59 PM »
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    Fr. Portugal drove 10 hours to find only two parishioners because the rest went went to the Mass of another priest with whom he is upset.  I guess I'd be a bit put out by that, myself.  He did not actually say the missing people were going to Hell.  He gave his opinion.  If that's all he did, forget it.  I don't agree with Fr. Portugal, but I think this incident has all the makings of a true internet rumor!



    Frances,
        Father was referring to the Mass on Saturday. The Mass with the resistance priest was Sunday evening. The reason only 2 people showed up was due to bad weather and the authorities had closed the roads.
       

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    « Reply #49 on: January 28, 2014, 01:22:07 AM »
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    My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning, that those who go to the resistance Masses are going to hell.

    Will get back with y'all later, because I have to travel to the resistance Mass this evening.  Bye and God Bless :furtive: :confused1: :scared2: :smile: :sad: :barf:

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    (Here is more information, posted later in the thread by FGG:)

    Hi,
    Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe conspiracies and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).
    Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists and others and now this! (conspiracy people) Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

    After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, " I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

    This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

    On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.


    I understand when a woman exaggerates things, they often do. But what I cannot get is how so many of you men swallow this post hook, line and sinker. I have read and reread the original post by For Greater Glory and I cannot find an actual quote attributed to Father Portugal, but only the weakest (my daughter said) hearsay. I can think of more than a few young people who would be happy to diss a priest if it would mean they could either please mama and/or get out of attending Mass with the reluctant boyfriend altogether.

    It would be understandable if Father was a little put out by the low attendance after all the trouble he had to go to travelling the icy roads that no one else wanted to. But how this woman got from that to "Father said those who attend the resistance Mass will go to Hell" is completely incomprehensible and irresponsible.

    I do believe that this kind of unsubstantiated tale bearing regarding a priest is sinful and in no way pleasing to God. We should be very careful what we whisper in the ear about a priest, much less what we publish online.


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    « Reply #50 on: January 28, 2014, 01:49:37 AM »
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    I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.


    Hi s2rea,
         When I got home late last night, I was able to post more information. It's on page 10. My daughter is 30 years old, raised in the faith, Catholic homeschooling, and has attended the SSPX since she was 14. Her fiancee is 43 years old. I really don't think they misunderstood, because we (myself and others) have had to endure Father's sermons for awhile now. Some of what he says is correct, but it's the way he delivers it. He is in need of prayers. I understand he's been a very good priest in the past.

    What gets me, is that Father will not discuss the matter of the SSPX-Rome issue with us. He just attacks.      Kyrie Eleison


    Maybe I'm being judgemental because I don't know the people jnvolved, but this is ridiculous to me. The same arguments as to why people are not liking the SSPX here are the same arguments as to why I am dealing in real life with people not wanting to attend resistance Masses. I attend a resistance Mass, and heard criticism that this resistance priest will stop talking during a sermon and suggests that a child is taken out who makes noise. Here the posters were crying about the "novelty" of cryrooms. Now they are complaining about not liking a certain priests sermons etc.

    The truth is you people are snobs in both camps who think you are better are smarter than our priests who sacrafice everything for your ingratitude. The way he delivers his sermon, my daughter doesn't like him. And then you have the audacity to get on here and say that a priest said something he did not, whether you corrected it later or not doesn't even matter. I think it was St. Dom Bosco who had a couple of gossipers do penance by walking through a town plucking the feathers off of a live chicken. Then when they saw him and they had finished he asked them to go and gather every single feather. When they said they could not he told them that is the same with repairing the damage done by their rumors. Who knows where the winds have carried them off to.

    Speaking bluntly, these priest slandering gossiping women who are seeking to spread their rumors through the resistance are doing harm to both the resistance and the good priests who are in the SSPX. Snobs like this don't even have the faith in my opinion or if they did they would be more prudent about diffusing rumors about one of Christ's priest. Really though. These people are pieces of crap in my opinion. You want to talk about priests go talk about the Novus Ordo or someone who deserves to be criticized. But din't criticize a good priest just because your daughter doesn't like him because he is strick in terms of marriage or tough in the confessional or whatever prejudices someone might hold.


    I agree with you, Centroamerica. I know Father Portugal well. I know Father Hewko well. I have known them since they were college and seminary students. In fact, I know many of the priests on both sides. They are good priests, holy priests. They mean well and are doing the best they can to navigate in a rough sea. There will be saints on both sides of this thing and it may well last until the Immaculate Heart triumphs and clears it all up. We have priests on both sides who don't have enough to eat, don't have a cassock that isn't worn thin, who suffer from depression, from loneliness for their loved ones and we, the so-called faithful, only add to it with our terrible ingratitude.

    Why, in Heaven's name do we have to tear down priests just to justify our actions? We need to stop this right now and pray for them. We need to love them. They have left everything for us. None of us has done such an extreme thing for God or for each other. The SSPX priests are sons of Our Lady, just like the resistance priests are. She watches over them and she sees our disgusting and petty backbiting and criticisms. May God and His Holy Mother forgive us, myself included, for ever complaining about our good priests. Please, let us just pray for them!

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    « Reply #51 on: January 28, 2014, 09:44:31 AM »
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    I'm sorry, I just have to ask how old is your daughter. Is there a chance that she was mistaken or could have taken the priests words out of context? If what is said here is true, then it is very serious, not  to mention objectively sinful on the part of the said priest. But I wouldn't go around spreading this information, if you don't mind, based on the hearsay of a young girl. Even a girl in her teens is capable of exaggerating (unconsciously) the words of a perceived threat to her parents for the sake of attention/ approval.  I appreciate the OP's input, but I cannot in justice help wonder if there is a disconnect somewhere, though I do not blame the girl or the OP.


    Hi s2rea,
         When I got home late last night, I was able to post more information. It's on page 10. My daughter is 30 years old, raised in the faith, Catholic homeschooling, and has attended the SSPX since she was 14. Her fiancee is 43 years old. I really don't think they misunderstood, because we (myself and others) have had to endure Father's sermons for awhile now. Some of what he says is correct, but it's the way he delivers it. He is in need of prayers. I understand he's been a very good priest in the past.

    What gets me, is that Father will not discuss the matter of the SSPX-Rome issue with us. He just attacks.      Kyrie Eleison


    Maybe I'm being judgemental because I don't know the people jnvolved, but this is ridiculous to me. The same arguments as to why people are not liking the SSPX here are the same arguments as to why I am dealing in real life with people not wanting to attend resistance Masses. I attend a resistance Mass, and heard criticism that this resistance priest will stop talking during a sermon and suggests that a child is taken out who makes noise. Here the posters were crying about the "novelty" of cryrooms. Now they are complaining about not liking a certain priests sermons etc.

    The truth is you people are snobs in both camps who think you are better are smarter than our priests who sacrafice everything for your ingratitude. The way he delivers his sermon, my daughter doesn't like him. And then you have the audacity to get on here and say that a priest said something he did not, whether you corrected it later or not doesn't even matter. I think it was St. Dom Bosco who had a couple of gossipers do penance by walking through a town plucking the feathers off of a live chicken. Then when they saw him and they had finished he asked them to go and gather every single feather. When they said they could not he told them that is the same with repairing the damage done by their rumors. Who knows where the winds have carried them off to.

    Speaking bluntly, these priest slandering gossiping women who are seeking to spread their rumors through the resistance are doing harm to both the resistance and the good priests who are in the SSPX. Snobs like this don't even have the faith in my opinion or if they did they would be more prudent about diffusing rumors about one of Christ's priest. Really though. These people are pieces of crap in my opinion. You want to talk about priests go talk about the Novus Ordo or someone who deserves to be criticized. But din't criticize a good priest just because your daughter doesn't like him because he is strick in terms of marriage or tough in the confessional or whatever prejudices someone might hold.


    I agree with you, Centroamerica. I know Father Portugal well. I know Father Hewko well. I have known them since they were college and seminary students. In fact, I know many of the priests on both sides. They are good priests, holy priests. They mean well and are doing the best they can to navigate in a rough sea. There will be saints on both sides of this thing and it may well last until the Immaculate Heart triumphs and clears it all up. We have priests on both sides who don't have enough to eat, don't have a cassock that isn't worn thin, who suffer from depression, from loneliness for their loved ones and we, the so-called faithful, only add to it with our terrible ingratitude.

    Why, in Heaven's name do we have to tear down priests just to justify our actions? We need to stop this right now and pray for them. We need to love them. They have left everything for us. None of us has done such an extreme thing for God or for each other. The SSPX priests are sons of Our Lady, just like the resistance priests are. She watches over them and she sees our disgusting and petty backbiting and criticisms. May God and His Holy Mother forgive us, myself included, for ever complaining about our good priests. Please, let us just pray for them!


    Well said, Azul! One should keep in mind that the Priest represents Our Lord Jesus Christ. What is done to the Priest is done to Christ, St. John Chrysostom says. Imagine if Fr. Portugal were reading this. It's public, after all. Please don't forget that, everyone, and be wise with the words you say.

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    Re: Fr. Portugal looks forward to Judgment vs. Resistance
    « Reply #52 on: November 27, 2017, 05:54:40 PM »
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  • Lady,  you seem to have it out for this particular priest. You blast him on social media and public forums for all to read and are basically attacking his character and reputation.  I think those that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.  You don't know this priest personally,  only by his sermons and the gossip you "heard". How petty are you to publicly criticize the man of the cloth.  You take whatever you need from every sermon,  sometimes that message might not be for you but someone else struggling.  Say a rosary if you wanna check out,  but your methodology of attacking priests makes me wonder why you go to church? Become a Lutheran if you're so miserable.  Focus on yourself and your family.  Stop being a busy body and gossiping.  You're making Catholics look bad.  God Bless.


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    « Reply #53 on: November 27, 2017, 06:47:05 PM »
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  • I only read the OP and the last post, and am responding to those:

    1) When Fr. Boyle was pastor at my SSPX chapel, Fr. Portugal was often the one who came to say Mass when Fr. Boyle had (or chose?) to be away.

    2) This was on at least three occasions, and on each of those occasions, Fr. Portugal had something to say against the Resistance (explicitly and/or implicitly).

    3) It made me wonder whether Fr. Boyle was ordered away (or chose to be away), just so Fr. Portugal could come in and give an anti-Resistance sermon, or, if Fr. Portugal is simply a loather of the Resistance, and we were at the top of his mind.

    4) On a couple occasions, Fr. Portugal (who knew me from my visit to St. Michael's School in England with Fr. Iscara during my summer apostolate 15 years prior), looked directly at me during the course of these sermons (No, it was not imagined; his gaze paused nowhere else in this fashion during these sermons).

    We began to wonder whether he was being sent explicitly for the purpose of giving anti-Resistance sermons, which Fr. Boyle would be insulated from as pastor (i.e., it wasn't him; he was on "vacation").  

    The point being this:

    Fr. Portugal is an open, public, and voluntary enemy of the Resistance, and that someone would suggest reporting on it as "back-biting" (when sermons are given to 400+ people on a Sunday?) is nonsense.

    Whether Fr. Portugal really looks forward to the damnation of whichever among us shall be damned, I seriously doubt (despite his caustic exterior disposition).

    But that he despises the Resistance, I have no doubt at all.



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    « Reply #54 on: November 27, 2017, 06:53:08 PM »
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  • PS: 

    Just for context, these were the days (roughly 2012 - 2014) when the Resistance was formidable in St. Paul/Minneapolis (at least 100 strong in a parish of 400 +/-).

    We had received visits from Several other anti-Resistance priests during this time, who gave anti-Resistance sermons, including:

    -Fr. Rutledge (former paster here);

    -Fr. Rostand;

    -Fr. Wegner;

    -Fr. Jackson;

    -A very anti-Resistance seminary professor, whose name escapes me.

    Perhaps others.

    I have written elsewhere about some of the reasons our strength died out; no need to go into that here.

    Now days, we do not receive these anti-Resistance visitors anymore.

    They are not needed.

    There is no sizable Resistance here to speak of.

    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    « Reply #55 on: November 27, 2017, 07:07:07 PM »
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  • EP Mary-

    Pardon my negligence, but I am just now noticing -after having offered 2 responses- that you (in your inaugural post) are digging up this old thread from nearly 4 years ago.

    May I ask why?
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-



     

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