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« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2014, 10:35:49 PM »
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  • FYI -

    For Greater Glory = SHE
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum Ergo

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    « Reply #16 on: January 26, 2014, 10:38:54 PM »
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    My daughter said the SSPX priest said at the sermon this morning,...




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    For Greater Glory = SHE    <------ thanks, M-D.


    Make that an academy award with a long dress!!  HAHAHA

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    « Reply #17 on: January 26, 2014, 10:45:01 PM »
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    The implications are inescapable.  

    We have to expect that FGG would not be posting this in error, because she is a reliable member with a great history of authenticity.  Therefore, her daughter would not be making it up.  For her to tell her means she was disturbed by it and confided in her mother.  Perfectly natural!  It's a good sign, really.  

    Therefore, the focus is on the priest, "whoever he is."  

    How many Catholics heard this statement?  Were any others offended as FGG's daughter was?

    Did anyone approach the priest about this?

    If this gets reported to the DS or Menzingen, will anything come of it?  Ha!  They'll probably send out "ears" to check up on the REACTION that occurs!  (Maybe this can be added to the tool box!)

    What's the chance that the order to promote this lie came from this priest's immediate superior?  

    Have there been any other SSPX priests muttering such nonsense?  

    I can easily imagine +F staying up late at night thinking, "Under what circumstances would I be able to say this in front of a crowd somewhere?"

    What is Fr. Pfluger's reaction to this news?


    What would Fr. Nely say about this?  Or Fr. Rostand, or Fr. Daniel Themann?


    WOULD THIS PRIEST BE PUNISHED FOR SAYING THIS? -- Would he be transferred?  Would he be sent away for sensitivity training?  Would he be called in for an excoriating tongue-lashing?  Would he be penalized?  Would he be forbidden from giving sermons until further notice?  No?  So, in other words, this would not be nearly as terrible an offense as it would be for him to have run a Resistance document though spell check on his computer, correct?  

    Is this priest (whoever he is) willing to admit that he said this thing?  

    Or, which is possible, would he deny having said it and then demand to know the NAME of the girl who reported it, so that SHE can be PUNISHED?

    And the girl's mother's name, so she can be dragged over the COALS?  

    This is FURTHER evidence of why Internet anonymity is IMPORTANT!



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    « Reply #18 on: January 26, 2014, 10:46:42 PM »
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  • IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.
    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum Ergo

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    « Reply #19 on: January 26, 2014, 10:52:40 PM »
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    Re-Revised version!!
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    The implications are inescapable.  

    We have to expect that FGG would not be posting this in error, because she is a reliable member with a great history of authenticity.  Therefore, her daughter would not be making it up.  For her to tell her means she was disturbed by it and confided in her mother.  Perfectly natural!  It's a good sign, really.  

    Therefore, the focus is on the priest, "whoever he is."  

    How many Catholics heard this statement?  Were any others offended as FGG's daughter was?

    Did anyone approach the priest about this?

    If this gets reported to the DS or Menzingen, will anything come of it?  Ha!  They'll probably send out "ears" to check up on the REACTION that occurs!  (Maybe this can be added to the tool box!)

    What's the chance that the order to promote this lie came from this priest's immediate superior?  

    Have there been any other SSPX priests muttering such nonsense?  

    I can easily imagine +F staying up late at night thinking, "Under what circumstances would I be able to say this in front of a crowd somewhere?"

    What is Fr. Pfluger's reaction to this news?


    What would Fr. Nely say about this?  Or Fr. Rostand, or Fr. Daniel Themann?


    WOULD THIS PRIEST BE PUNISHED FOR SAYING THIS? -- Would he be transferred?  Would he be sent away for sensitivity training?  Would he be called in for an excoriating tongue-lashing?  Would he be penalized?  Would he be forbidden from giving sermons until further notice?  No?  So, in other words, this would not be nearly as terrible an offense as it would be for him to have run a Resistance document though spell check on his computer, correct?  

    Is this priest (whoever he is) willing to admit that he said this thing?  

    Or, which is possible, would he deny having said it and then demand to know the NAME of the girl who reported it, so that SHE can be PUNISHED?

    And the girl's mother's name, so she can be dragged over the COALS?  

    This is FURTHER evidence of why Internet anonymity is IMPORTANT!



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    « Reply #20 on: January 26, 2014, 10:53:46 PM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.


    Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

    Does anyone have his phone number?!?!


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    « Reply #21 on: January 26, 2014, 10:56:40 PM »
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    What's the chance that the order to promote this lie came from this priest's immediate superior?  


    If indeed the priest is who we think it is, and if by "immediate superior" you mean the head of his priory -- not a chance. Fr. Zendejas might not have joined the Resistance yet, but he's certainly not an enemy. He's a very solid priest, and you'll have to trust me on the rest of it.

    Fr. Zendejas has enough to worry about already that "Matthew from CathInfo is favorable towards him." I don't want to get the priest in trouble...

    If by "immediate superior" you mean Fr. Rostand, then of course anything goes.
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    « Reply #22 on: January 26, 2014, 10:58:01 PM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Quote from: MaterDominici
    IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.


    Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

    Does anyone have his phone number?!?!


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    He should be at the Queen of Angels priory in D ickinson, TX during the week. I'm sure the contact info is on the web somewhere.

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    « Reply #23 on: January 26, 2014, 11:24:04 PM »
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    Good info.  However, not wanting to cause trouble, perhaps it is prudent to ask For Greater Glory, even if by PM, whether we would do damage to anyone's situation by calling Fr. Portugal tomorrow.  

    I'm not going to do this because I'm not from the area and I don't know enough details, so how would I answer accusations of INTERNET RUMOUR!! ?

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    Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

    Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

    "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  




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    « Reply #24 on: January 26, 2014, 11:30:37 PM »
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    Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

    Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

    "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  




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    "If I could only make the faithful sing the Kyrie, the Gloria, the Credo, the Sanctus and the Agnus Dei ... that would be to me the finest triumph sacred music could have, for it is in really taking part in the liturgy that the faithful will preserve their devotion. I would take the Tantum Ergo

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    « Reply #25 on: January 26, 2014, 11:34:02 PM »
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    Thank you, and, thank you.  



    I had a little too much fun with that, I'll admit.  
    And, I hope it's not fun at FGG's expense.  




    But

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    « Reply #26 on: January 26, 2014, 11:36:20 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    Wow!  I figured I wouldn't know the priest.  It seems I know both of them!  But not well enough to have their phone numbers.  I can imagine Fr. Portugal stating it as his opinion---with which  I disagree  vehemently!   But his stating it doesn't make it so.  What, if anything, does he do about it?  Does he deny parishioners the Sacraments?  Send spies to watch and report?  If not, I'd chalk it up to Fr. Portugal being extremely opinionated with a hot temper.  (No, priests are not perfect!)  Unless he treats parishioners unjustly, I think I'd let it go, or, if my children were hurt, I'd talk with him privately.  
    Sorry, but I cannot imagine Fr. Zendejas ever saying such a thing, except perhaps as a question to provoke serious thought, or quoting someone else, not as a blanket condemnation to Hell.  It does not sound like him at all, not even in English with a Spanish accent!  If he did say it and puts teeth into his words, then someone please PM me with his phone #!!!


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    « Reply #27 on: January 27, 2014, 01:47:58 AM »
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  • Hi,  
    Just got back from Fr. Pfeiffer's Mass near New Orleans. It's mid-night, but thought I would tell you what Fr. Portugal said at Mass this morning. He said he wasn't going to give this type of sermon, but he had no choice because it had been brought to his attention. Father said people are always accusing the SSPX of hiding things and not giving the full story. But he noticed these accusers weren't at Mass this morning! It's funny how people have so much time to spend on the internet, believe conspiracies and gossip, when they should be going to Mass and receiving the sacraments, because priests like himself who spend 10 hours driving through ice to say Mass and only two people show up. (This was yesterday. Authorities had closed the roads and told everyone to stay home).
    Father also explained all the things he does for us and here, some of us were going off to a Mass said by a rebellious priest. He said the SSPX is always being attacked by the novus ordo, the sedevacantists  and others and now this! (conspiracy people) Father said that people wonder why there is a need for a second judgment, but  he said it's a comforting thought to know there is one, because God will deal with these evil people!

    After Mass, my daughter turned to her fiancee and said, " I can sum this whole sermon up in a sentence. The people going to Mass this evening, along with the priest are going to burn in hell and Father Portugal is going to be nominated for sainthood and going to heaven!"  :cheers:

    This is not good for young adults. My daughter's fiancee is learning about the Catholic faith and has been going to Mass with her. This last incident has been a real turn-off for him. Both he and my daughter thought Father was uncharitable.

    On a happier note, we had a nice little group of people for Mass this evening, but more were expected. Maybe Fr. Portugal scared them off? Fr. Pfeiffer gave an excellent sermon and gave us lots of information about the crisis in the SSPX.

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    « Reply #28 on: January 27, 2014, 02:59:40 AM »
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  • Quote from: Neil Obstat
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    IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.


    Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

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    I thought Portugal would never lose the Dogma of the Faith.  :scratchchin:

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    « Reply #29 on: January 27, 2014, 04:30:48 AM »
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  • Quote from: ggreg
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    IF For Greater Glory's daughter was at FGG's usual place for Mass, her regular priest is Fr. Portugal.


    Looks like Fr. Portugal has some questions to answer, don't it?  

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    I thought Portugal would never lose the Dogma of the Faith.  :scratchchin:



     :laugh1:

    You're right on target, ggreg!  (But you should have read three more posts on that page!)

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    Quote from: IF it is Fr. Portugal, THEN there is a lingering question, that would have

    Is this your way of fulfilling Our Lady's prophesy, Father, that,

    "In Portugal, the dogma of the faith will always be preserved?"  




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