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Offline Matto

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Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
« on: January 21, 2014, 07:12:33 PM »
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    In Fr. Chazal's January 19th, 2014 sermon, he mentions that Neo-SSPX priest Fr. Pfluger says "to reject the Magisterium of Vatican II makes one a sedevacantist".

    Fr. Chazal speaks about Fr. Niklaus Pfluger, First Assistant of the neo-SSPX, in that Fr. Pfluger addressed a group of neo-SSPX brothers and told them that to reject the Magisterium of Vatican II makes one a Sedevacantist. Fr. Pfluger also told them that the neo-SSPX should take tips from the Fraternity of St. Peter because the latter is growing while the former is shrinking in terms of the number of priests. Perhaps Fr. Pfluger should take a closer look at why his priests are leaving – because the neo-SSPX leaders have abandoned the principles of the SSPX founder!

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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #1 on: January 21, 2014, 08:43:40 PM »
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  • Vatican II B proceed apace.


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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #2 on: January 21, 2014, 11:18:12 PM »
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    I found this at  and thought it would be of interest:
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    In Fr. Chazal's January 19th, 2014 sermon, he mentions that Neo-SSPX priest Fr. Pfluger says "to reject the Magisterium of Vatican II makes one a sedevacantist".

    Fr. Chazal speaks about Fr. Niklaus Pfluger, First Assistant of the neo-SSPX, in that Fr. Pfluger addressed a group of neo-SSPX brothers and told them that to reject the Magisterium of Vatican II makes one a Sedevacantist. Fr. Pfluger also told them that the neo-SSPX should take tips from the Fraternity of St. Peter because the latter is growing while the former is shrinking in terms of the number of priests. Perhaps Fr. Pfluger should take a closer look at why his priests are leaving – because the neo-SSPX leaders have abandoned the principles of the SSPX founder!

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    The Magisterium of Vatican II???   What-the-..........?

    Fr. Pfluger should recognize the fact that about HALF of the priests who have left were EXPELLED by his main man upstairs.  

    +Fellay says, "God, give us more priests," as he continues to throw his BEST ONES under the bus.  

    We need a cartoon.  

    To be AWARE enough not to be deceived that the Church Men who are currently in power are making a MUCK of everything in sight, is not to "reject the Magisterium" of the Church.  Those men are not the "Magisterium of Vatican II!"  There IS no Magisterium of Vatican II -- because Vatican II did not have any teaching -- it's all mumbo-jumbo.  It has no continuity with the Church, and so there is no continuity with the Magisterium -- which is the TEACHING OFFICE of the Church.  If there is nothing being taught, there is no MAGISTERIUM teaching.  

    B16 had to pump out his propaganda thesis, the hermeneutic of continuity, because he realized the charade wasn't working out -- There Is No Vat.II Magisterium!!!

    Fr. Pfluger should be grateful we haven't lost our recognition that the Church still has authority, even if she hasn't EXERCISED it for 53 years, since 1962.  

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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #3 on: January 22, 2014, 05:02:53 AM »
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  • A clash of the natural instincts to obey and to resist continues to find expression in the SSPX. Could such a contradiction find a better home? Fr. P is independently safe within the Swiss milieu and answerable to no authority except the one he has devised for himself and yet poses as an obligation a requirement that none of his charges reject V2 not because it is bad but because it goes against the sacred policy of the SSPX to uphold the contradiction, its only religion. Until of course it can find a better home elsewhere ..... where liturgical tastes, material comforts and worldly respectability are provided for. Were there really higher motives involved when ABL drew those fearful of the conciliar deluge?

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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #4 on: January 22, 2014, 05:18:57 AM »
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  • In that case I am a Sedevacantist.

    Where's my sandwich?


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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #5 on: January 22, 2014, 05:32:17 AM »
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    In that case I am a Sedevacantist.

    Where's my sandwich?
    :laugh2:

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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #6 on: January 22, 2014, 06:02:34 AM »
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    A clash of the natural instincts to obey and to resist continues to find expression in the SSPX. Could such a contradiction find a better home? Fr. P is independently safe within the Swiss milieu and answerable to no authority except the one he has devised for himself and yet poses as an obligation a requirement that none of his charges reject V2 not because it is bad but because it goes against the sacred policy of the SSPX to uphold the contradiction, its only religion. Until of course it can find a better home elsewhere ..... where liturgical tastes, material comforts and worldly respectability are provided for. Were there really higher motives involved when ABL drew those fearful of the conciliar deluge?


    So that's what the SSPX religion is?  It's only religion is the sacred policy of the SSPX to uphold the contradiction --- contrary to what, Vat.II -- but not because it's bad?  

    Or is the "only religion of the SSPX" based in the security of a place where "liturgical tastes, material comforts and worldly respectability are provided for?"

    And maybe that's all ABL was attracting in the first place, from among "those fearful of the conciliar deluge?"


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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #7 on: January 22, 2014, 07:45:31 AM »
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  • Tiffany.  
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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #8 on: January 22, 2014, 07:46:06 AM »
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  • Wessex,
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    A clash of the natural instincts to obey and to resist continues to find expression in the SSPX. Could such a contradiction find a better home?


    Well, it has just aquired its second home in the resistance.                                              

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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #9 on: January 22, 2014, 08:45:46 AM »
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  • Fr. Pfluger is so starry-eyed about the FSSP. I can throw some cold water on that infatuation.

    From first-hand experience with that Fraternity, I know that they regularly lose priests and have lost many priests, mostly to incardination in various dioceses! After a few years of being moved around and traveling (like the SSPX priests) many of the FSSP priests come to rest in a diocese they like and leave to join said diocese. Since they have no scruples about saying the Novus Ordo Mass, they fit right in while conveniently providing a venue for a diocesan-approved Mass in the "extraordinary form."

    Dream on Fr. P.  :sleep:

    (He should do everyone a favor and just go incardinate with some diocese where he could have his creature comforts and pretty venues.)

    I'll have ham and cheese on rye please.  :ready-to-eat:

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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #10 on: January 22, 2014, 09:27:18 AM »
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    In that case I am a Sedevacantist.

    Where's my sandwich?




    I think sandwich cat got to it first...
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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #11 on: January 22, 2014, 04:50:55 PM »
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  • Fr Phluger needs to be a man of his word and go novus ordo all the way!  

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    « Reply #12 on: January 22, 2014, 07:24:54 PM »
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  • Quote from: Capt McQuigg
    Fr Phluger needs to be a man of his word and go novus ordo all the way!  


    Usually you see his picture looking like this, which was many years ago:





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    If he's going to go NovusOrdo, he had better hurry up -- this is not a very recent photo:


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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #13 on: January 22, 2014, 07:50:46 PM »
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  •  :dancing-banana:
    Add me to the list.  I accept that Vat. II happened, but I accept it same as I accept having had diarrhea.  Forget the sandwich. I've lost my appetite.
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    Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist
    « Reply #14 on: January 22, 2014, 09:36:45 PM »
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  • I solemnly reject the heresies and apostasies of Vatican II and reject any notion of Bishop Fellay that the majority of it is good.