Author Topic: Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist (Read 7460 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #30 on:** January 24, 2014, 02:45:09 AM »

Quote from: hugeman

Quote from: Frances
:sad: :dancing banana:

Enough joking. Fr. Pfluger needs prayers and sacrifices.

No, Francis-- Father Pfluger does not need our prayers-- he's very comfortable doing what he's doing.

He was a prime mover in the expulsion of Bp. Williamson, and other priests..

As the Archbishop taught us-- the leaders make the people; not the other way around! His crooked thinking and acceptance of heresies calls for one thing-- as a previous poster suggested:

Hop on the train and get into Rome-- find a cardinal to incarnate yourself, and have fun with the sickos and sodomites down in what used to be Our Lady's Eternal City!

And be careful about taking that sandwich of the sedevacantists which he's offering. Father Pfeiffer will not want anything to do with you.

Seems like his most important mission lately is to slam anyone who simply cannot accept that the Vicar of Jesus Christ could suborn and openly support heretics and those who destroy children. Go figure!

OUCH.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #31 on:** January 24, 2014, 02:57:14 AM »

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Fr. Pfluger is so starry-eyed about the FSSP. I can throw some cold water on that infatuation.

From first-hand experience with that Fraternity, I know that they regularly lose priests and have lost many priests, mostly to incardination in various dioceses! After a few years of being moved around and traveling (like the SSPX priests) many of the FSSP priests come to rest in a diocese they like and leave to join said diocese. Since they have no scruples about saying the Novus Ordo Mass, they fit right in while conveniently providing a venue for a diocesan-approved Mass in the "extraordinary form."

Dream on Fr. P.

(He should do everyone a favor and just go incardinate with some diocese where he could have his creature comforts and pretty venues.)

I'll have ham and cheese on rye please. :ready-to-eat:

And that would be Swiss cheese, correct? With or without..

..roasted pineapple?

Oh, sorry, you said "on rye." Hows this?

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peterp · « **Reply #32 on:** January 24, 2014, 10:05:41 AM »

Quote from: hugeman

But what do YOU say? Is the Novus ordo mess a true and valid Catholic worship of Almighty God? Yes or No? Was the Vatican Council, which fostered onto the Catholic world, this disastrous concoction of communism, marxism, liberalism, humanism,(etc), a true Council of the Holy Roman Catholic Church? Yes or No?

If the Vatican Council II was, for you , a valid council, and its teachings were and are valid Catholic teachings,and its instructions (including the mess) were and are valid instructions, and its popes were valid popes, then you owe them your obedience and allegiance. For you there is no state of emergency, and no other excuse under which you can attend the chapels of a "schismatic sect."

Hugeman,

For a Mass to be valid three things (presupposing a validly ordained priest) are required: Matter, form and intention.

For a council to be valid there needs to be: a legally convened meeting, participation of college of bishops, co-operation of the pope, promulgation of any regulations/decrees.

JPaul · « **Reply #33 on:** January 24, 2014, 01:00:54 PM »

peterp,

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Hugeman,

For a Mass to be valid three things (presupposing a validly ordained priest) are required: Matter, form and intention.

For a council to be valid there needs to be: a legally convened meeting, participation of college of bishops, co-operation of the pope, promulgation of any regulations/decrees.

Intention= To do what the Church does and has always done

Legally convened= convened with the purpose to do what the Church has always done in accordance to Her mind and will, (which would be the will of Christ)

Violation of the above= Invalid and illegal

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #34 on:** January 26, 2014, 09:35:38 PM »

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There are three ways of looking at the Newmass.

1) It is invalid -- and in that case, in eternity we will see all the IDOLATRY that had been going on all these years after it was made to occur by FIAT (not really promulgated, but APPEARING to have been promulgated -- IOW a DOUBLE deception -- not promulgated and not valid). Some of the objective idolators had been doing so in ignorance, but others willfully, and everything in between, and only God knows who is who.

2) It is not invalid -- and in that case, it has been a cause of tremendous scandal, blasphemy, insult to God, and transgression of mankind (which we will know with clarity of vision in eternity) because all these Newmass hootenanies have been RE-CRUCIFYING Our Lord, as The Apostle says.

3) It is doubtful -- and in that case, it might be valid sometimes and invalid other times. In this situation it is not incuмbent on the Faithful to know which it is, EXCEPT by the evidence that can be seen and understood. If, for example, you go to a Newmass where the priest behaves like everything is a joke, and this does go on, then, after "mass" you approach that priest and ask him if he can tell you that believes that God is present Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity as soon as he speaks the words of the Consecration, and then he answers you that he does NOT believe it, then that is EVIDENCE that his "masses" are invalid.

Any way you slice it, it's NOT GOOD. Therefore, the Newmass has been an abject FAILURE, and the SSPX has NO BUSINESS doing or saying anything that would attempt to make "peace" with it or to accept it in any way, even with "great difficulty" or with "reservations" or whatever. God hates lukewarmness (cf. Apoc. iii. 16).

If Fr. Pfluger is correct and rejection of Vat.II makes one sedevacantist, then God's rejection of Vat.II would make God a sedevacantist, in which case, the sedevacantists would be very happy.

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