Author Topic: Fr. Pfluger: To reject Vatican II is to be sedevacantist (Read 7464 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #25 on:** January 23, 2014, 07:48:30 PM »

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IMHO this shouldn't say heresies (plural) and apostasies (plural) but might be better stated in the singular:

I solemnly reject the heresy and apostasy of Vatican II,
and I reject any notion (of Bishop Fellay) that the majority of it is good.

There may be more than one heresy in Vat.II, but it is the singular SPIRIT that is the abiding problem, the unclean spirit of Vat.II, and likewise the apostasy is one, a defection from the truth, and should not be called "apostasies."

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JPaul · « **Reply #26 on:** January 23, 2014, 08:09:07 PM »

To reject Vatican II is to be Catholic, reject it in its totality and unequivocally.

hugeman · « **Reply #27 on:** January 23, 2014, 11:47:21 PM »

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In that case I am a Sedevacantist.

Where's my sandwich?

I think sandwich cat got to it first...

That's adorable, Parents for Truth! Thanks :) !

hugeman · « **Reply #28 on:** January 23, 2014, 11:56:47 PM »

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Enough joking. Fr. Pfluger needs prayers and sacrifices.

No, Francis-- Father Pflugger does not need our prayers-- he's very comfortable doing what he's doing. He was a prime mover in the expulsion of Bp Williamson, and other priests.. As the Archbishop taught us-- the leaders make the people; not the other way around! His crooked thinking and acceptance of heresies calls for one thing-- as a previous poster suggested:
Hop on the train and get into Rome-- find a cardinal to incarnate yourself, and have fun with the sickos and sodomites down in what used to be Our Lady's Eternal City!

And be careful about taking that sandwich of the sedevacantists which he's offering. fFather Pfeiffer will not want anything to do with you . Seems like his most important mission lately is to slam anyone who simply cannot accept that the Vicar of Jesus Christ could suborn and openly support heretics and those who destroy children. Go figure!

hugeman · « **Reply #29 on:** January 24, 2014, 12:21:22 AM »

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No, if you read that article the doubt (note it says can be and not that it is) relates to the intention of the minister. In itself the NO mass is valid.

Again, no, I'm saying that Fr. Chazal has misrepresented Fr. Pfluger (and it's hard to keep seeing these things as a coincidence). If Fr. Pfluger did say something about rejecting VII makes one a sedevacantist it would be in the context as I described.

Peterp

What do you say? Forget what you THINK the Society position was-- because then you need to quote chapter and verse, identify the author, and represent fairly the context. We KNOW that the Archbishop who, Contrary to the claim of Bishop Fellay, STUDIED the docuмents of the Vatican Council, and he ( the Archbishop), said the council was a wholesale perversion of the faith. The Archbishop stated that the Novus ordo mess was a "Bastard Mass." The Archbishop never claimed he was mis-quoted in either of these statements (and many more quite similar).

But what do YOU say? Is the Novus ordo mess a true and valid Catholic worship of Almighty God? Yes or No? Was the Vatican Council, which fostered onto the Catholic world, this disastrous concoction of communism, marxism, liberalism, humanism,(etc), a true Council of the Holy Roman Catholic Church? Yes or No?

If your answer to either of these questions is yes-- you have no business being in the SSPX. You have been told repeatedly, by your diocesan bishops, your local priests, the US Apostolic Vicar, by Card. Ratzinger, Card Mueller, Archbishop deNoia, by Benedict xvi, and, now, Francis, that the SSPX is in schism, it has absolutely no function within their conciliar church. In other words, the SSPX can do nothing for you in getting you to heaven, if that is your goal. They are, in the mind of the conciliarists, totally cut off from the tree of life.
If the Vatican Council II was, for you , a valid council, and its teachings were and are valid Catholic teachings,and its instructions (including the mess) were and are valid instructions, and its popes were valid popes, then you owe them your obedience and allegiance. For you there is no state of emergency, and no other excuse under which you can attend the chapels of a "schismatic sect."