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Offline hollingsworth

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Fr. Pfluger takes a question and answers it,
« on: April 14, 2013, 09:23:23 AM »
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  • After his one and a half hour talk in Post Falls, April 10, 2013, Fr. Pfluger took questions. The last question was as transcribed below. Father's answer follows. If for the readers Fr. Pfluger's response clarifies and explains the issues raised, then those readers can, perhaps, help the rest of us, who remain confused by his answer, to understand it.

    Question: “Father, I have a question about the preamble of April 2012. It seems like somewhere in the preamble there is an acceptance of the new Mass under certain conditions, and there’s also and acceptance of the new code of cannon law, which allows giving the Holy Eucharist to Protestants. Is that is that true or can you clarify that?

    Fr. Pflugger: You know that’s the, that’s the same uh (laughs), I think (laughs) it’s it’s interesting to see how good uh the faithful and priests are are worried and concerned about uh how he led us to Rome. You know, to, to compare with the the the text signed by the Archbishop. Take last year, nobody, whether priests or or faithful discussed about this this text by the Archbishop that was that was the text and then the situation our our uh wealth and so forth. If you if you compare the the declaration that was the Archbishop that that term is not is not ideal but the Archbishop was a response to to Rome’s proposition (in) ’88 and then he he ma-uh signed his so called doctrinal preamble – or declarational doctrinal and the title is the same in Apr, April um (coughs) last year, that’s not a that’s not a declaration about our position of what we believe or what’s traditional or all the errors in the council, that’s a that’s a minimum to to propose Rome to continue on this on this uh contact with Rome or the canonical regularization. But that’s now done you know that’s uh, we withdrawd and Rome didn’t accept. Now I, I have now a a beautiful letter from from Bishop Tissier because Bishop Williamson writing to all the priests in the whole world to to um to act against the order capitulance (inaudible) Bishop Williams--Bishop Tissier sent a letter saying you can you can spread and publish this letter to the whole world. And he said, why Bishop Williamson is discussing now one year later, he knew the text. At that time he didn’t come to Menzingen and say “stop, you cannot do” no, now one year later after all the the end of and again we withdraw and the declaration by the chapter made the conditions and so forth and Rome did not accept why now trouble and worry the faithful about something that’s you know that’s the past. It it made no sense you know to to uh I think that’s not a good spirit now to analyze every sentence and word and and uh comma and uh yes and no you know. That’s not that’s a lost time. And it’s a it’s a bad spirit it’s troubling and and uh it’s a spirit of dialectism dialectic and it’s it’s a liberal spirit it’s against authority. He did, and we did and we. At that time we thought that and we had we had theologians they they they they gave their councel and said “that’s ok” you have others they say that’s not ok but now it’s it’s April 2012 and now we are in April 2013 you know, um it make no sense it’s senseless to to analyze. Sure, you could, uh you can do better but at that time we did so and that was the situation and we had 4 weeks to to respond and and we had, you know that was the problem from the beginning from uh 2007 or 2009. Rome is calling to Mezingen, the Pope, and they they want know our position about precise uh uh point. They know our what we think and what we believe and what we mean about the council and the the Canon Law and the new mass. You know that’s uh, it’s not a moment to say uh uh It’s like our priest in Sunday in the Creed. They we say the Credo in unum Deum and all the articles but, not at the end, I denouncing all the errors in the council by refusing all the modern errors (audience laughs). A little bit uh common sense, no. That’s a, what’s the purpose? That you ask this question, what’s the purpose by these priests, who are organizing this rebellion? Publishing anonymous letters around the world? What’s what’s the purpose? Is this for for God’s glory? For the truth? For the salvation of souls? Or is this to to destroy? To yes is in a dialectic view to to trouble. And now they have to justify their their uh their position, They have now to, you know sometimes if you, don’t do it, but if you read all these uh some comments or or commentaries you could think the biggest, the biggest enemy the biggest problem in the in the in the church is Bishop Fellay. The biggest enemy against the truth, and the and and, please (audience laughing). We have to see the reality. That we have attacks, that we have a we have a fight against against Christen, Christianity. And we have uh uh Islam and so forth. And we have, we have uh a loss of faith. And now we we fight against, and we that’s a shame that’s a that’s a pity for the world, and that’s a that’s a pity for all the enemies of the church. Seeing in tradition they fight and accusing and liberal. In my youth, in the ‘70s, I’m a little bit older than you father (audience laughs), the worst was Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ, and then the Jєωs, and now liberalism liberalism is blasphemy. Now please, please forget all this stupid and narrow minded and cantankerous mentality, “I have right and I know better!”. We have to see the the the aim, the purpose and that’s, that’s to become saints.
     
       


    Offline John Grace

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    Fr. Pfluger takes a question and answers it,
    « Reply #1 on: April 14, 2013, 09:32:37 AM »
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    After his one and a half hour talk in Post Falls


    A penance for certain.


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    « Reply #2 on: April 14, 2013, 09:36:12 AM »
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  • Isn't it interesting how the fluidity of someones language becomes weak when useful?

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    what’s the purpose? That you ask this question, what’s the purpose by these priests, who are organizing this rebellion? Publishing anonymous letters around the world? What’s what’s the purpose?


    Aww poor fools. These guys must not get it... :rolleyes: Riiiiight.

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    Now please, please forget all this stupid and narrow minded and cantankerous mentality, “I have right and I know better!”.


    Wow. Really? I wish I was at this meeting.

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    « Reply #3 on: April 14, 2013, 09:57:20 AM »
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  • As I understand it, no, he never answered the question.  He skirted around it and even dismissed it in a way that made light of it and in his divergence caused laughter, which I see as an insult to God both in diverting the topic and causing laughter by such divergence.  Anyone who takes the Blessed Sacrament seriously and cares about how Almighty God in said Sacrament is being offended by non-Catholic practices should be alarmed at this non-answer and the Society's attitude in using It to barter with Rome.  

    And yes, we DO have a right to know and question--because God commands us to take watch over our souls and not put them in danger.  We go to the priests of the Society for our spiritual needs the same as someone goes to the doctor for their health needs.  If the doctor is prescribing questionable medicine or treatments, refuses to answer our questions, tells us to just take the medicine, pay our bill, and be quiet we lose our trust in that doctor and common sense tells us to go to another one.  Same here.  We felt we were safe with the Society and now that we find out talks have been going on with conciliar Rome putting reconciliation before doctrine, and docuмents were offered which we did not know about which gives a new direction to the Society and if signed would endanger our souls, we have every right to want to know what is going on and get a complete and honest answer and not be played for fools.  They just don't seem to understand this.  They are supposed to remind US to care for our souls and yet it is now WE who need to remind THEM that THEY are supposed to care for our souls.  Yes, in some matters we DO know better and we're not as stupid or trusting as they want us to be.

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    « Reply #4 on: April 14, 2013, 10:00:22 AM »
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  • Fr Pfulger does not even answer the question!  He makes no reference to the specific question at all in that rather long-winded response, but goes on about Bp Williamson.

    The question was on the fact that the doctrinal preamble appears to give the impression that, merely because it is valid (in their opinion) it presents no danger to the Faith.  Surely the faithful need to know what is meant by this?  The SSPX has been telling us for years that the NO is a danger to the Faith.  Why could Fr. Pfluger not just answer that question?


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    « Reply #5 on: April 14, 2013, 10:49:39 AM »
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    Wow. Really? I wish I was at this meeting.


    Ugh. Not me, it's bad enough reading it here! I didn't even get all the way through before the ulcers kicked in.

    Bishop Williamson never said anything last year?? Wasn't his "negativity" the reason he was uninvited from the General Chapter? I don't understand how he can say Bishop Williamson is only speaking up a year later with a straight face. Have we really moved from clever omissions and double-speak to outright lies?

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    « Reply #6 on: April 14, 2013, 11:14:01 AM »
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  • Sounds like fr pfluger attends the same school of 'non comunication' as BF. haveing travelled to hear him on his last visit to Ireland, thats what we got, zilch! at least fr pfluger allowed questions, even if he didnt answer them.....

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    « Reply #7 on: April 14, 2013, 11:27:43 AM »
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  • Sounded like a drunk stumbling and mumbling. He had no "honest" answer of Truth and that is the reason that he avoided the question in toto. He was standing in a frying skillet and danced around and around to avoid being quoted at a later date. It is the Novud Ordo presbyters who laugh and tell jokes but this came from the First Assistant to Bishop Fellay. What a bunch of idiots at the hierarchy as in the counterfeit church and the us government. Just listen and do what "we" say and relax and chill and don't worry your ignorant heads over matters about which we are the masters. Do as we say or else . . . you may be expelled.


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    « Reply #8 on: April 14, 2013, 12:21:49 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay in Ireland. This appeared in the January edition of The Hibernian Magazine (2008). He gave the conference in November 2007.


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     If for the readers Fr. Pfluger's response clarifies and explains the issues raised, then those readers can, perhaps, help the rest of us, who remain confused by his answer, to understand it.


    I've seen this behavior before in my business and life experiences. It is a person that does not know the subject matter. Therefore, they talk like that, and change the subject to talk about the things they know, and make jokes.

    I suspect that in this case, he also does not understand English well, and is covering up for that too.

    In my experience, all of these traits put together, mean that you can't have a fruitful discussion with this person, even in his own language. He likely is in the position he is in, because he follows orders, and not because of ability.

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    « Reply #14 on: April 14, 2013, 12:52:44 PM »
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  • Concluding part.