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Offline MaterDominici

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Anyone surprised?

Quote from: Fr Pfeiffer
In the case of Archbishop Moran, as a priest, in 1975, he received a letter from the diocese of Toronto saying that we accept you as a Catholic priest of the diocese for 2 years. According to the old code of Canon Law, if someone received ordination -- even outside the Church -- but it was in good faith, which is clearly the case of Archbishop Moran ... it is very clear that he is Catholic, Catholic, Catholic, and Catholic. So, you receive under good faith -- worse case scenario -- then, by the fact of being accepted by a bishop, the canonical ... he can exercise his rights. He was accepted as a Catholic priest between 1975 and '77, therefore he is a Catholic priest. His ordination certificate is in the file of the Eparchy of Toronto. {sidetracked} It is the Eparchy of Toronto that has the ordination certificate of Father William Moran who was ordained in the Catholic Church on Long Island in 1974 and it is in the file of the Catholic Eparchy of Toronto. He was accepted as in the diocese for 2 years and able to live in the United States and continue with his studies. Which he did. So, to say therefore that he is not a Catholic priest is completely false.


taken from Father's sermon of Jan 7, 2016 beginning at 49:48

I'm warning any thinking persons that to listen to this sermon before this time point is a painful experience unless you're a student of psychology looking for a case study. You've been warned. : )
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Fr Pfieffer still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2016, 03:50:51 AM »
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  • I typed up another quote because it was so ridiculous that it made me laugh out loud, literally.

    Quote from: Fr Pfeiffer referring to Fr Ortiz's docuмent
    What's the purpose? Why spread this throughout the whole world as is being done already? He tells me we have 2 weeks and tomorrow's the deadline. And yet, the deadline for what? We've already sent the word out. I have focused in this time, attacks in the last six months, on the Catholic faith, on spreading the doctrine of the Church. Dealing with souls individually if they have individual questions. And trying to avoid any kind of public defamation or attacks against the others. This has not been the case on the outside. The only time, reason that it is necessary to make these little statements here now, is because now there is a grave attack upon the sheep. Continuing, won't stop.


     :roll-laugh1:


    Another point of note is that this sermon is an edited version. I noticed that something in the sermon is cut out at least once.
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    Fr Pfieffer still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop
    « Reply #2 on: January 08, 2016, 05:59:39 AM »
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    Anyone surprised?

    Quote from: Fr Pfeiffer
    In the case of Archbishop Moran, as a priest, in 1975, he received a letter from the diocese of Toronto saying that we accept you as a Catholic priest of the diocese for 2 years. According to the old code of Canon Law, if someone received ordination -- even outside the Church -- but it was in good faith, which is clearly the case of Archbishop Moran ... it is very clear that he is Catholic, Catholic, Catholic, and Catholic. So, you receive under good faith -- worse case scenario -- then, by the fact of being accepted by a bishop, the canonical ... he can exercise his rights. He was accepted as a Catholic priest between 1975 and '77, therefore he is a Catholic priest. His ordination certificate is in the file of the Eparchy of Toronto. {sidetracked} It is the Eparchy of Toronto that has the ordination certificate of Father William Moran who was ordained in the Catholic Church on Long Island in 1974 and it is in the file of the Catholic Eparchy of Toronto. He was accepted as in the diocese for 2 years and able to live in the United States and continue with his studies. Which he did. So, to say therefore that he is not a Catholic priest is completely false.


    taken from Father's sermon of Jan 7, 2016 beginning at 49:48

    I'm warning any thinking persons that to listen to this sermon before this time point is a painful experience unless you're a student of psychology looking for a case study. You've been warned. : )


    Because a diocese of the conciliarist circus "accepted [Ambrose] as a Catholic priest between 1975 and '77, therefore he is a Catholic priest."

    Does he disconnect his brain and twist a wind-up for his mouth before uttering such ridiculous nonsense?  Are there such blind Pfeifferites to accept such incoherent disconnect without question?

    Seems like I have asserted a couple of times my expectation that Fr. Pfeiffer had self-serving reasons for not exposing Ambrose as a schismatic fraud.  I just supposed that he would have enough sense to wait a few years rather than a few weeks to begin his rehabilitative efforts.  This also confirms my belief that Pfeifferville is in a state of schism.

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    Fr Pfieffer still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop
    « Reply #3 on: January 08, 2016, 07:05:29 AM »
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  • Quote from: MaterDominici
    Anyone surprised?

    Quote from: Fr Pfeiffer
    In the case of Archbishop Moran, as a priest, in 1975, he received a letter from the diocese of Toronto saying that we accept you as a Catholic priest of the diocese for 2 years. According to the old code of Canon Law, if someone received ordination -- even outside the Church -- but it was in good faith, which is clearly the case of Archbishop Moran ... it is very clear that he is Catholic, Catholic, Catholic, and Catholic. So, you receive under good faith -- worse case scenario -- then, by the fact of being accepted by a bishop, the canonical ... he can exercise his rights. He was accepted as a Catholic priest between 1975 and '77, therefore he is a Catholic priest. His ordination certificate is in the file of the Eparchy of Toronto. {sidetracked} It is the Eparchy of Toronto that has the ordination certificate of Father William Moran who was ordained in the Catholic Church on Long Island in 1974 and it is in the file of the Catholic Eparchy of Toronto. He was accepted as in the diocese for 2 years and able to live in the United States and continue with his studies. Which he did. So, to say therefore that he is not a Catholic priest is completely false.


    taken from Father's sermon of Jan 7, 2016 beginning at 49:48

    I'm warning any thinking persons that to listen to this sermon before this time point is a painful experience unless you're a student of psychology looking for a case study. You've been warned. : )


    The title of this thread should more aptly be "Fr Pfeiffer is still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop."  I've caught on to the insinuations that he took the short bus through seminary, but he can't be dumb enough to really believe--I think he's just being plain sinister to advance his egotistical goals.

    No wonder we had trouble getting straight answers from Mister Rogers about the matter.

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    Fr Pfieffer still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop
    « Reply #4 on: January 08, 2016, 03:37:24 PM »
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  • Quote from: OHCA
    The title of this thread should more aptly be "Fr Pfeiffer is still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop."  I've caught on to the insinuations that he took the short bus through seminary, but he can't be dumb enough to really believe--I think he's just being plain sinister to advance his egotistical goals.


    I don't know at what point a person loses touch with reality and actually begins to believe the things they try to pass off to suit their agenda. Nonetheless, your version is better, so I changed it.
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    Fr Pfieffer still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop
    « Reply #5 on: January 08, 2016, 03:39:35 PM »
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    Seems like I have asserted a couple of times my expectation that Fr. Pfeiffer had self-serving reasons for not exposing Ambrose as a schismatic fraud.  I just supposed that he would have enough sense to wait a few years rather than a few weeks to begin his rehabilitative efforts.


    At the beginning of the video, he reads a few messages from Fr Ortiz. In one of them Fr Ortiz suggests that the one-sentence dismissal of Ambrose wasn't even from Fr. Pfeiffer.
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    Fr Pfieffer still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop
    « Reply #6 on: January 08, 2016, 06:08:17 PM »
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  • Manuel?

     :popcorn:
    He came to pay a debt He didn't owe.
    Because we owe a debt we cannot pay.

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    Fr Pfieffer still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop
    « Reply #7 on: January 08, 2016, 08:42:37 PM »
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    Manuel?

     :popcorn:


    I have no answers, only questions and concerns. I believe that there is a perfectly good explanation for this defense of Ambrose. I have not read Father Ortiz's paper yet, so I won't comment on that.


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    « Reply #8 on: January 08, 2016, 09:06:20 PM »
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    I have no answers, only questions and concerns. I believe that there is a perfectly good explanation for this defense of Ambrose.  


    In the recorded "apology" talk given by Fr Hewko he said that Ambrose fooled them and Fr Pfeiffer now admits that Ambrose created fake photos.  He also said that Ambrose became a Catholic when he took the Anti-Ecuмenical Oath when he was consecrated an Orthodox bishop.   :facepalm:

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    Fr Pfieffer still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop
    « Reply #9 on: January 12, 2016, 06:59:02 AM »
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  • By that logic, all Orthodox clergy who signed that oath are actually Catholic. Heck, they should just move the seminary to an Orthodox church to save on travelling expenses.

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    Fr Pfieffer still trying to pass Moran off as a Catholic priest bishop
    « Reply #10 on: January 12, 2016, 09:12:40 AM »
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  • One thing that no one has thought to bring up is the question of Ambrose's ministry. Where has he been acting as an archbishop all of these years? Even if he is not staying at his see, then he still has Episcopal orders. Where are the churches in which he offers the mass? Where are the priests that he has ordained and reordained? Has he done anything?any retreats? Has he visited any monasteries or churches in which the priors or Abbotts could give their testimony?

    He has a semi truck full of photos but once you get into the eighties there is nothing. Why?

    And then there are all of the orthodox photos, which, in my opinion, look enough like him. Honestly, the whole argument about Ambrose showing his two Catholic years in Toronto might be moot, because then he apostasized later on.

    Can someone who is a baptized Catholic, publicly defect and then come back whenever he wants simply by going to confession? This seems to be what fr Pfeiffer was saying. I've always been trying to find a record of his reconciliation because I think it would have been up to a bishop to bring him back into the church.


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    « Reply #11 on: January 12, 2016, 11:54:33 AM »
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    One thing that no one has thought to bring up is the question of Ambrose's ministry. Where has he been acting as an archbishop all of these years? Even if he is not staying at his see, then he still has Episcopal orders. Where are the churches in which he offers the mass? Where are the priests that he has ordained and reordained? Has he done anything?any retreats? Has he visited any monasteries or churches in which the priors or Abbotts could give their testimony?

    He has a semi truck full of photos but once you get into the eighties there is nothing. Why?

    And then there are all of the orthodox photos, which, in my opinion, look enough like him. Honestly, the whole argument about Ambrose showing his two Catholic years in Toronto might be moot, because then he apostasized later on.

    Can someone who is a baptized Catholic, publicly defect and then come back whenever he wants simply by going to confession? This seems to be what fr Pfeiffer was saying. I've always been trying to find a record of his reconciliation because I think it would have been up to a bishop to bring him back into the church.


    I think he was dropped directly from Heaven already baptized, ordained, and concecrated, attired in his Orthodox Archbishop garb, right at the toes of Pablo and Father Pfeiffer (or Father Pfeiffer and Pablo).  Such a pearl as he is, I don't know why anybody would have any questions about his past.

    Oh wait--their tall-tale is a tad more believable than mine, isn't it?

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    « Reply #12 on: January 12, 2016, 02:24:33 PM »
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  • I suggest Fr. Ortiz's study on the issue, as it concludes with photos of Moran as an Orthodox bishop as late as the early 2000s. The other gray-beared bishop is Bishop Gregory who is an open Orthodox.

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    « Reply #13 on: January 12, 2016, 02:47:00 PM »
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    I suggest Fr. Ortiz's study on the issue, as it concludes with photos of Moran as an Orthodox bishop as late as the early 2000s. The other gray-beared bishop is Bishop Gregory who is an open Orthodox.


    How would you characterize fr Pfeiffer and Greg Taylor's response to fr Ortiz?  Was it a logical refutation?

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    « Reply #14 on: January 12, 2016, 03:35:47 PM »
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  • Anyone, priest or laity, who believes that Ambrose is a Catholic archbishop has an absolute duty to submit to his authority.