Author Topic: Fr. Pfeiffers cult nonsense not welcome here - including Greg Taylor (Read 5086 times)

Matthew · « **on:** May 28, 2016, 06:39:34 PM »

You might wonder where this thread came from --
The answer is simple. I had to delete another thread of nonsense from Greg Taylor. I want everyone to know where I stand on such nonsense. That is the only reason I'm bringing up Fr. Pfeiffer on purpose.

I am well aware of all the slander and calumny of Fr. Pfeiffer's group/cult against good priests and bishops.

This includes, but is not limited to, calumnies/lies against Bishop Williamson, Bishop Faure, Fr. Zendejas, Fr. Garcia, Fr. Voigt, Fr. Abraham, CathInfo itself, and others.

In the list of those whose trash isn't welcome here, I include all those in Fr. Pfeiffer's virtual cult: Pablo, Maccabees, Greg Taylor/the Recusant, as well as some posters on Cor Mariae, ABL Forum 2.1, etc. I also include Fr. Cardozo and any other priests who hate Bishop Williamson and who have hitched their wagon to Boston, KY.

They will say and do anything which seems to help their cause -- even if that "help" largely consists of TEARING DOWN the mainstream Resistance, in order to turn back the clock to 2012 when Fr. Pfeiffer was king of the Resistance.

These poor deluded souls, in their bitter zeal, feel that by stabbing Bishop Williamson, they give worship to God. (John 16:2)

Because it's true that in the early days of the Resistance, Fr. Pfeiffer was all we had. Either he hadn't fallen yet, or we were blissfully unaware of any brewing problems. Those were the "good old days".

But Father is now (quite maliciously) trying to DESTROY 95% of the Resistance, with the aim of making all resistant Catholics desperate for his ministrations -- however sporadic or slipshod -- and cause us to beg for his help, even if that means dealing with evil men like Pablo.

All I can say to Fr. Pfeiffer is: YOU WISH!

If I had a choice between Fr. Pfeiffer and staying home, I think I'd go with the latter at this point. He's just gone too far. His spiritual life is practically zilch, his bitter zeal has reached fever pitch, and the insanity of his operation has also gone off the charts. Especially the actions of Pablo. Just read the testimony of Constance!

NatusAdMaiora · « **Reply #1 on:** May 28, 2016, 08:01:16 PM »

So true Matthew, you put it very well!

These are the people who think they are higher and more knowledgeable than Resistance Bishops and Priests. They often write and speak with lack of basic respect for Resistance Bishops and Priests who have fought ‘tooth and nail’ for many decades to uphold Holy Catholic Tradition. They call names and preach hatred of other ‘resistance’ members who do not ‘toe the line’ and conform to their views.
They twist the facts, misinterpret and modify the truth (intentionally or sometimes in ignorance) to suite their own divisive agenda. They are often slow to grasp reality when warned time and time again (Pablo fiasco is one such example), they are often late to realize that many of their accusations of the Bishops and some Priests are completely baseless, yet they seldom recant, instead; they continue to promote their hatred and lack of charity to prove their point.

We need to pray in a special way that these people STOP their NONSENSE and STOP breaking up the RESISTANCE!

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #2 on:** May 28, 2016, 08:08:58 PM »

I think the moral of this story is "The love of money is the root of all evil."

cebu · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2016, 03:08:53 AM »

I wonder how the pfeifferite cultists will deal with this. Ignore it, I suppose, like the Wrecusant does of anything awkward, attacking everyone else as the best form of defense. Their arrogance must blind them so much.

If any pfeifferite has come to their senses in recent months and left the cult, it would be interesting to hear from them.

God have mercy on them all.

Servus Pius · « **Reply #4 on:** May 29, 2016, 04:00:40 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

I am well aware of all the slander and calumny of Fr. Pfeiffer's group/cult against good priests and bishops.

This includes, but is not limited to, calumnies/lies against Bishop Williamson, Bishop Faure, Fr. Zendejas, Fr. Garcia, Fr. Voigt, Fr. Abraham, CathInfo itself, and others.

In the list of those whose trash isn't welcome here, I include all those in Fr. Pfeiffer's virtual cult: Pablo, Maccabees, Greg Taylor/the Recusant, as well as some posters on Cor Mariae, ABL Forum 2.1, etc. I also include Fr. Cardozo and any other priests who hate Bishop Williamson and who have hitched their wagon to Boston, KY.

They will say and do anything which seems to help their cause -- even if that "help" largely consists of TEARING DOWN the mainstream Resistance, in order to turn back the clock to 2012 when Fr. Pfeiffer was king of the Resistance.

These poor deluded souls, in their bitter zeal, feel that by stabbing Bishop Williamson, they give worship to God. (John 16:2)

Because it's true that in the early days of the Resistance, Fr. Pfeiffer was all we had. Either he hadn't fallen yet, or we were blissfully unaware of any brewing problems. Those were the "good old days".

But Father is now (quite maliciously) trying to DESTROY 95% of the Resistance, with the aim of making all resistant Catholics desperate for his ministrations -- however sporadic or slipshod -- and cause us to beg for his help, even if that means dealing with evil men like Pablo.

All I can say to Fr. Pfeiffer is: YOU WISH!

If I had a choice between Fr. Pfeiffer and staying home, I think I'd go with the latter at this point. He's just gone too far. His spiritual life is practically zilch, his bitter zeal has reached fever pitch, and the insanity of his operation has also gone off the charts. Especially the actions of Pablo. Just read the testimony of Constance!

I stand with you on this issue Matthew.

Wessex · « **Reply #5 on:** May 29, 2016, 06:11:47 AM »

Again, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

The direction Bp. Williamson and his entourage are pursuing ostensibly in the name of tradition is only one way. I remember saying the same thing about ABL in the 80s although experienced old hands tell me he was pursuing many directions at the same time!
Personalising movements runs the risk of being tied to the caprices and quirks of its leaders but I am sure there are many wise heads that refuse to get attached to personalities and accept their services within limits. Being somewhat detached pays off in the end.

If the scene in the UK is representative of affairs both the SSPX and Bp. W are leaving the faithful in a state of confusion. I, like Gregory Taylor, counsel them to rely on neither and await some improvement. The bishop gives precious little thought to his own kind because he is refused the adulation he receives elsewhere. Shepherdless, we soldier on without too much drama.

NatusAdMaiora · « **Reply #6 on:** May 29, 2016, 11:34:04 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

Again, people in glass houses should not throw stones.

The direction Bp. Williamson and his entourage are pursuing ostensibly in the name of tradition is only one way. I remember saying the same thing about ABL in the 80s although experienced old hands tell me he was pursuing many directions at the same time!
Personalising movements runs the risk of being tied to the caprices and quirks of its leaders but I am sure there are many wise heads that refuse to get attached to personalities and accept their services within limits. Being somewhat detached pays off in the end.

If the scene in the UK is representative of affairs both the SSPX and Bp. W are leaving the faithful in a state of confusion. I, like Gregory Taylor, counsel them to rely on neither and await some improvement. The bishop gives precious little thought to his own kind because he is refused the adulation he receives elsewhere. Shepherdless, we soldier on without too much drama.

Christian Charity demands some principles ….

Quote from AD BEATISSIMI APOSTOLORUM ENCYCLICAL OF POPE BENEDICT XV -- APPEALING FOR PEACE
“As regards matters in which without harm to faith or Morals in the absence of any authoritative intervention of the Apostolic See - there is room for divergent opinions, it is clearly the right of everyone to express and defend his own opinion. But in such discussions no expressions should be used which might constitute serious breaches of charity; let each one freely defend his own opinion, but let it be done with due moderation, so that no one should consider himself entitled to affix on those who merely do not agree with his ideas the stigma of disloyalty to faith or to Morals”.

Link.. http://w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xv/en/encyclicals/docuмents/hf_ben-xv_enc_01111914_ad-beatissimi-apostolorum.html

You are entitled to your opinion, however, but neither you nor Grey Taylor have the moral authority to spread and write hatred towards Bishops and some Priests of the ‘Resistance’. It is unacceptable to show disrespect to Clergy just because you do not fully agree with all that they say.

Raphaela · « **Reply #7 on:** May 29, 2016, 02:26:32 PM »

Quote from: Wessex

If the scene in the UK is representative of affairs both the SSPX and Bp. W are leaving the faithful in a state of confusion.

I haven't noticed anyone causing confusion in the UK except Gregory Taylor and a small number of eccentric sedes.

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I, like Gregory Taylor, counsel them to rely on neither [the SSPX and Bp. W.] and await some improvement.

So Wessex admits he is adding to the confusion and working against Bishop Williamson.

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The bishop gives precious little thought to his own kind because he is refused the adulation he receives elsewhere.

What a load of rubbish. Is this an example of the sort of 'counsel' Wessex gives?

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Shepherdless, we soldier on without too much drama.

We don't regard ourselves as 'shepherdless', Wessex. BTW do you attend any Resistance Masses?

cebu · « **Reply #8 on:** May 29, 2016, 02:49:05 PM »

Rapha

Wessex is a grumpy ole, cynical home-aloner who is full of his own importance and looks down on everyone else.

Wessex · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2016, 05:45:50 AM »

Quote from: NatusAdMaiora

You are entitled to your opinion, however, but neither you nor Grey Taylor have the moral authority to spread and write hatred towards Bishops and some Priests of the ‘Resistance’. It is unacceptable to show disrespect to Clergy just because you do not fully agree with all that they say.

We have to speak as we find. Bishops and priests today no longer have that automatic right to be believed and followed. In fact, they need to prove themselves; pious words alone are not enough to allay the suspicions of a badly let down laity.

In the absence of bishops and priests that are off on their own 'trips', we rely on what few resources we have. If this is a crisis ..... I see it as an opportunity ..... we at least can get back to basics and attempt to shed the religious dross of centuries. Hotel rooms can put a different perspective on things!

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2016, 06:16:18 AM »

So let me see if I understand...I need to declare myself by selecting one of the following:

a) +Fellay

b) +Williamson

c) Pfeiffer

d) Sanborn

e) The Pope in Hiding

Have I left any "traditionalist" leader out? Thanks but no thanks. I will remain Catholic, strive to grow in Faith and Virtue, take valid sacraments where I can from those who are not morally corrupt.

(And in regards to the boxing match between +W and Pfeiffer it's rather obvious who "floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee". I put my paltry sum on the bishop, liberal or not).

Matthew · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2016, 07:39:36 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

If this is a crisis ..... I see it as an opportunity ..... we at least can get back to basics and attempt to shed the religious dross of centuries. Hotel rooms can put a different perspective on things!

Are you an anti-clerical, an iconoclast (statue smasher), a protestant, or what?

Your words, far from resonating with me or ringing true, instead shock and horrify me.

"religious dross of centuries"?

St. Pius X never mentioned any religious dross that needed to be shed. If the Crisis has lasted centuries as you claim, then St. Pius X was alive during it, and he (a saintly pope) certainly should have addressed the "Church triumphalism" and various accretions that you deplore!

I guess you want to go back to a simpler form of Christianity, like in the first few centuries?

Peccator Marison · « **Reply #12 on:** May 30, 2016, 08:57:50 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

Quote from: NatusAdMaiora

You are entitled to your opinion, however, but neither you nor Grey Taylor have the moral authority to spread and write hatred towards Bishops and some Priests of the ‘Resistance’. It is unacceptable to show disrespect to Clergy just because you do not fully agree with all that they say.

We have to speak as we find. Bishops and priests today no longer have that automatic right to be believed and followed. In fact, they need to prove themselves; pious words alone are not enough to allay the suspicions of a badly let down laity.

In the absence of bishops and priests that are off on their own 'trips', we rely on what few resources we have. If this is a crisis ..... I see it as an opportunity ..... we at least can get back to basics and attempt to shed the religious dross of centuries. Hotel rooms can put a different perspective on things!

This is poison -- utter nonsense. The so-called dross is the Faith, for there never was a lot of Protestant ''basics'' as the Modernists lie -- the Church, storied in ritual and splendour, has always been so and she grows rather more splendid, more majestic, more filled with physical beauty as the centuries pass -- never changing, always the same, but given new Saints and new private Revelations and new basilicae.

Please do not imagine I find questioning the judgement of a Prince of the Church anything more or less than torture.

Wessex · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2016, 05:47:13 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

Quote from: Wessex

If this is a crisis ..... I see it as an opportunity ..... we at least can get back to basics and attempt to shed the religious dross of centuries. Hotel rooms can put a different perspective on things!

Are you an anti-clerical, an iconoclast (statue smasher), a protestant, or what?

Your words, far from resonating with me or ringing true, instead shock and horrify me.

"religious dross of centuries"?

St. Pius X never mentioned any religious dross that needed to be shed. If the Crisis has lasted centuries as you claim, then St. Pius X was alive during it, and he (a saintly pope) certainly should have addressed the "Church triumphalism" and various accretions that you deplore!

I guess you want to go back to a simpler form of Christianity, like in the first few centuries?

I am here in danger of echoing some of the sentiments of Bp. Williamson! He is prominent in pointing out the artificial world of 50s Catholicism and its stark contradictions. My parents were certainly living these contradictions to the point of having one set of beliefs on Sunday and another set on other days. I was growing up thinking that the Church on the surface merely proposed an ideal way of life which could never be achieved nor needed to. Confession was becoming a convenient gateway linking both worlds.

I would opt for the triumph of simplicity where a crisis wonderfully concentrates the mind on what is most important and easily discards what is not. Again, we are told we are living in remarkable times which is forcing us to concentrate on the basics. And moving away from structures and titles may be part of the bishop's thinking where top-heavy institutions steal the limelight from the faith. I could be talking of an English approach where we are less inclined to go overboard when it comes to expression ..... unlike our continental and American cousins!

TheRealMcCoy · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2016, 07:18:22 AM »

Quote from: Wessex

I could be talking of an English approach where we are less inclined to go overboard when it comes to expression ..... unlike our continental and American cousins!

Wow you could be a great role model for English silence.