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Offline Gerard from FE

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Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016
« Reply #195 on: June 01, 2016, 07:43:54 PM »
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    Gerard is a public sinner guilty of sacrilege for falsely accusing a priest of heresy -- and yes, I do have the theological competence to make that judgment. No jurisdiction is required for a priest with pontifical degrees to condemn the sins of evildoers.



    Anything else you want to make up out of the blue?  



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    Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016
    « Reply #196 on: June 01, 2016, 07:51:06 PM »
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    No, I found it.  I did a google image search for "conciliarist" and it showed up, right next to the pic of the "Catholic Social Teaching for Dummies" book.

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    …..meh…..too derivative of old jokes.  I would like to give an appropriate rejoinder but I'll wait till you do something genuinely funny.  


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    Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016
    « Reply #197 on: June 01, 2016, 09:31:01 PM »
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    No, I found it.  I did a google image search for "conciliarist" and it showed up, right next to the pic of the "Catholic Social Teaching for Dummies" book.

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    …..meh…..too derivative of old jokes.  I would like to give an appropriate rejoinder but I'll wait till you do something genuinely funny.  


    Who said I was trying to be funny?  I was quite serious.

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    Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016
    « Reply #198 on: June 01, 2016, 10:07:25 PM »
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    No, I found it.  I did a google image search for "conciliarist" and it showed up, right next to the pic of the "Catholic Social Teaching for Dummies" book.

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    …..meh…..too derivative of old jokes.  I would like to give an appropriate rejoinder but I'll wait till you do something genuinely funny.  


    Who said I was trying to be funny?  I was quite serious.


    You mean you weren't trying to be funny?……oh….

    Well good for you.  You keep giving it the old kindergarten try.  


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    Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016
    « Reply #199 on: June 02, 2016, 01:04:46 AM »
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  • Gerard is mentally incapable of engaging in disciplined, systematic theological discussion. He replies to properly formulated arguments with mere dogmatic assertions which do not directly address the point demonstrated in the argument presented to him; and with mere ad hominem statements which underscore his incapacity to engage in rational discussion by means of systematically reasoned arguments. Gerard gratuitously pontificates like a self appointed authority, with a great profusion of assertions which are based on merely assumed and unstated premises; with no attempt made to systematically demonstrate his position with reasoned argumentation that directly addresses the point that has been presented to him. Thus, his arguments are without logical foundation, and are easily shown by one with a classical scholastic theological academic training to be fallacious and erroneous. Yet, he obstinately clings to his unfounded and unproven opinions even when the flawed logic of his thinking has been plainly put before him;  and he continues to insist that he is right,and that the correctness of his strongly held opinions is demonstrated and underscored by the force of his adamantly repeated assertions. His lack of formal, systematic theological training is patent in every one of the multitude of errant comments he asserts with a bold self assurance that betrays himself to be utterly oblivious of his own intellectual incompetence. It is a fools chore to argue with one who flaunts in such a crass manner,  an immense ignorance and bigotry, thinly disguised as erudition by means of elaborations of profuse verbosity which unravel when subjected to the scrutiny of critical examination.


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    Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016
    « Reply #200 on: June 02, 2016, 10:01:41 AM »
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    Gerard is mentally incapable of engaging in disciplined, systematic theological discussion. He replies to properly formulated arguments with mere dogmatic assertions which do not directly address the point demonstrated in the argument presented to him; and with mere ad hominem statements which underscore his incapacity to engage in rational discussion by means of systematically reasoned arguments. Gerard gratuitously pontificates like a self appointed authority, with a great profusion of assertions which are based on merely assumed and unstated premises; with no attempt made to systematically demonstrate his position with reasoned argumentation that directly addresses the point that has been presented to him. Thus, his arguments are without logical foundation, and are easily shown by one with a classical scholastic theological academic training to be fallacious and erroneous. Yet, he obstinately clings to his unfounded and unproven opinions even when the flawed logic of his thinking has been plainly put before him;  and he continues to insist that he is right,and that the correctness of his strongly held opinions is demonstrated and underscored by the force of his adamantly repeated assertions. His lack of formal, systematic theological training is patent in every one of the multitude of errant comments he asserts with a bold self assurance that betrays himself to be utterly oblivious of his own intellectual incompetence. It is a fools chore to argue with one who flaunts in such a crass manner,  an immense ignorance and bigotry, thinly disguised as erudition by means of elaborations of profuse verbosity which unravel when subjected to the scrutiny of critical examination.



    That's the bloviating of a fraud.

    You're simply ranting without a hint of substance.

    Nothing of what you've asserted can you prove.

    And as I predicted in an earlier post, you'd give vapid diaphanous dodges and make a pathetic excuse to not engage in the discussion and exit a discussion in which you came in guns blazing and made an utter fool of yourself.


    What is apt, you describe as "off point."  which is merely a dodge as I've concretely demonstrated.  

    When you right something patently wrong, you claim it doesn't' matter.

    In response to your errors you simply attack the person who was correct in the first place and  create a fog by bragging about your education and how much you forgot and how much better you must be than I in recognizing the truth of something.  You take it objectively and it's absurd poppycock.  Not a bit of logic to it.  

    You hurl insults gratuitously and cower and run and whine and cry when someone justifiably and more charitably counters your nonsense with a just rebuke.  Pathetic.  

    Franklly, you are just a wind bag, ham-handed churned out dime a dozen "academic" with no common sense nor any capability of cogitative discernment.  

    I doubt you have any true appreciation for the meaning of what Catholic truth is actually recorded and gathering dust between your ears.

    You display an unimaginative, uncreative, atrophied mind ill suited for any intellectual truths it's been force fed and unable to digest.

    You display no competence to be able to accurately assess or make judgment upon me, my soul, my erudition or the methods of systematic analysis I employ to dismantle the combination of fallacies, emotional outbursts and irrational selectivity  cobbled together in making your gratuitous and dishonest assertions.


     



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    Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016
    « Reply #201 on: June 03, 2016, 03:58:11 PM »
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  • Gerard, what Don Paolo said was correct (at least) in some capacity.  You jump around too much in your posts, you never answer/respond directly to any questions, but interject (oftentimes numerous) tangential and/or off-topic subjects which leads to confusion and irrelevence.  If you would calm down and not take everything so personally or defensively, your posts would be more simple, for you have much knowledge that COULD be beneficial to a discussion.

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    Bishop Williamson - May 19, 2016
    « Reply #202 on: June 03, 2016, 09:20:32 PM »
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    Gerard, what Don Paolo said was correct (at least) in some capacity.  You jump around too much in your posts, you never answer/respond directly to any questions, but interject (oftentimes numerous) tangential and/or off-topic subjects which leads to confusion and irrelevence.  If you would calm down and not take everything so personally or defensively, your posts would be more simple, for you have much knowledge that COULD be beneficial to a discussion.


    Would you show me an example?  

    Since most of my replies are done in the "Fisking" style, they are point by point rebuttals to others arguments, with the original quote above.

    That is how I responded to Fr. Kramer.  He set the structure of the argument.

    I didn't call him a "dolt" right out of the box like he did to me.  I didn't go on tangents  bringing up or bragging about my education.   I didn't have to try and create guilt by association when he tried to associate me with Martin Luther.  

    If he went off topic or on a tangent, I follow where he went and address what he

    stated in whatever mode or tone he stated it.

    If Fr. Kramer creates the "fog of war" and chaotically bounces around, that's his "system" and he then complains about the lack of 'systematic" argumentation, that's a cute trick.  It's used in politics.it''s called "muddying the waters."  

    Most of the time I do answer an respond directly in an absolute sense.  

    I will answer  with, "No." or "Wrong."  or "False" and then I explain why I believe my argument is stronger.  


    For the record, I don't take any of this personally.  I often keep the posters, and the lurkers in my prayers and pray that I'll be guided in my contributions.  

    As for being defensive, I'm defending my position.  If I think I'm holding the position of the Truth, I have to defend it.  If people are trying to obfuscate the truth by smearing me personally, I have to address the smear because it's an attempt to use me as an obstacle to the truth.