Author Topic: Fr. Pfeiffer please address this question: Is the Conciliar Church Catholic (Read 10838 times)

Catechist99 · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2013, 02:40:38 PM »

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Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Yeah, like Fr. Pfieffer has a whole lot of time to prowl the forums to debate with the likes of you, curioustrad. Get a clue. I think if he had 10 spare minutes he would either spend it preaching or take a nap.

If he is a man who preaches "Christ crucified" then he also believes that Christ is "the way the truth and the life". He would have nothing to fear from me especially since he knows me way better than most of you.

Why don't you just call him?

curioustrad · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2013, 03:34:25 PM »

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If he is a man who preaches "Christ crucified" then he also believes that Christ is "the way the truth and the life". He would have nothing to fear from me especially since he knows me way better than most of you.

That should read:

If he is a man who preaches "Christ crucified" then he also believes that Christ is "the way the truth and the life". He would have nothing to fear from me especially since he knows the way better than most of you.

curioustrad · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2013, 03:37:54 PM »

Quote from: Catechist99

Quote from: curioustrad
Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Yeah, like Fr. Pfieffer has a whole lot of time to prowl the forums to debate with the likes of you, curioustrad. Get a clue. I think if he had 10 spare minutes he would either spend it preaching or take a nap.

If he is a man who preaches "Christ crucified" then he also believes that Christ is "the way the truth and the life". He would have nothing to fear from me especially since he knows me way better than most of you.

Why don't you just call him?

That would only be a private conversation. I want a public declaration of theological principles.

The SSPX have one, so do SSPV, CMRI and the Dolan / Sanborn group - interestingly each group has a bishop or bishops but... CRUCIALLY... they declare their position on the issues that matter.

Also each of those groups had numerous stable chapels well before the need for a consecration was needed, and / or they had outside episcopal help which Bishop Williamson has already said he is more than willing to provide.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2013, 05:04:13 PM »

Quote from: curioustrad

Quote from: curioustrad

If he is a man who preaches "Christ crucified" then he also believes that Christ is "the way the truth and the life". He would have nothing to fear from me especially since he knows me way better than most of you.

That should read:

If he is a man who preaches "Christ crucified" then he also believes that Christ is "the way the truth and the life". He would have nothing to fear from me especially since he knows the way better than most of you.

Freudian slip? What is your real agenda here? Obviously it is to discredit Fr. Pfieffer, but why? He and Fr. Chazal have already stated on a multitude of occasions that their theology has not changed, that they hold true to the SSPX's original teachings of ABL. So where the SSPX stands on that issue , then they do too. What is your point?

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2013, 05:11:37 PM »

charity, charity, charity

magdalena · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2013, 05:48:42 PM »

I'd like to know what +TdM is thinking right now. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis.

Catechist99 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2013, 05:51:16 PM »

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I'd like to know what +TdM is thinking right now. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ora pro nobis.

No kidding.

magdalena · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2013, 06:17:22 PM »

Quote from: curioustrad

Quote from: Matthew
Yes, curioustrad, what dog do you have in this fight?

Fight: against what are we fighting ? "Powers and principalities" according to St. Paul. Every Catholic has a dog in this fight.
curioustrad: moniker that suggests a Traditional Catholic who is curious and seeks the truth.
Dog: preservation of the Holy Inviolable Catholic Faith

Quote from: Matthew
Do you even attend an SSPX chapel?

This question would seem to be redundant. We are all fighting for the continuance of the Traditional Catholic Faith. The SSPX-SO chapels aren't listed as SSPX so what's the issue here ?

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Do you have any investment in the destiny of the SSPX whatsoever?

Every Traditional Catholic has an investment in the SSPX whether formally attending, formerly attending now sedevacantist or independent, or attending a chapel sponsored by the Diocese. Every one of them depends upon the work of Archbishop Lefebvre without exception.

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If not, your opinion is less than worthless.

Here you are getting into ad hominem argumentation. My questions are based upon one premise: upon what reason is a future consecration predicated ? Even the CIC presumes a reason for acting when flouting the letter of the law. I am only asking the SSPX-SO to give a canonical explanation for the reason for their existence. So far they "seem" to be running in opposition to the SSPX. Bishop Williamson always said, before you dynamite the building be sure you have a foundation with which to replace it. I guess I'm asking "Where's the foundation" ?

It's like the seminarian who once asked the Archbishop what the charism of the SSPX was and he responded: "The Mass". That is an inadequate answer since all orders and secular priests have that. Later in life the Archbishop answered the question with his book the Spiritual Journey - the restoration of the priesthood.

Even if one doesn't agree with him, curioustrad is answering all the questions asked of him. So why all the thumbs down? There is alot worth pondering here. And I would add to his statement that all Catholics, and non-Catholics alike, have a stake in what happens with the SSPX, because we are talking about souls here--not just trads. Or is that not true?

curioustrad · « **Reply #38 on:** January 22, 2013, 07:11:59 AM »

Under the Title for the forum name I read:

Traditional Catholic Forum
A place for SSPX and other Traditional Catholics to discuss matters pertaining to the Catholic Faith

Now over on the recusant site I see a link to this forum and other pro-sspx rebellion sites.

I have read with distaste the frequent posts over here demanding to know who this or that ID is and demanding the expulsion and / or silencing of people who ask questions.

I have also seen the intimidation of people telling them to go join IA etc.

Clearly this site ISN'T what it bills itself to be and / or it has become infected with lurkers of a different persuasion with an agenda of their own.

This site seems to be a pro-SSPX-SO shill and not a place where Traditional Catholics (presumably without further distinction) can calmly debate.

I suppose after the founder / moderator was subjected to hectoring from the SSPX he thinks a repetition of the same behavior is acceptable along the lines of "Monkey see monkey do" as Bishop Williamson would say.

Factoring all this in - (as Jesus said in the Temple) "You shall not see me here again!".

I shall leave you to the ravings of semi-delusional American-wanna-be-Mexicans.

Telesphorus · « **Reply #39 on:** January 22, 2013, 07:21:40 AM »

You aren't debating, you're disrupting.

Debating means advancing a position, and that's not what you're doing here. You want a platform to insult the resistance priests, pretend as though they need to respond to you "calling out" thread, etc.

You haven't said anything substantive here, you're just trying to disrupt the forum.

Fortunately Matthew's long patience is not inexhaustible.

Soon you will probably be gone from this forum.

AJNC · « **Reply #40 on:** January 23, 2013, 04:05:35 AM »

Quote from: curioustrad

Under the Title for the forum name I read:

Traditional Catholic Forum
A place for SSPX and other Traditional Catholics to discuss matters pertaining to the Catholic Faith
Now over on the recusant site I see a link to this forum and other pro-sspx rebellion sites.
I have read with distaste the frequent posts over here demanding to know who this or that ID is and demanding the expulsion and / or silencing of people who ask questions.
I have also seen the intimidation of people telling them to go join IA etc.
Clearly this site ISN'T what it bills itself to be and / or it has become infected with lurkers of a different persuasion with an agenda of their own.
This site seems to be a pro-SSPX-SO shill and not a place where Traditional Catholics (presumably without further distinction) can calmly debate.
I suppose after the founder / moderator was subjected to hectoring from the SSPX he thinks a repetition of the same behavior is acceptable along the lines of "Monkey see monkey do" as Bishop Williamson would say.
Factoring all this in - (as Jesus said in the Temple) "You shall not see me here again!".
I shall leave you to the ravings of semi-delusional American-wanna-be-Mexicans.

I can feel some sympathy for Curioustrad. Here is a clipping from Traditio. The incident is true. I know the poster who is a Founding Father of the Traditional Catholic movement in India, small though it may be. This incident was witnessed by the wife of a friend, who was sitting nearby. Traditio may well have spiced up the language of the post, but the fact is that high handed behavior on the part of the priest did take place. And this was not the only time. And who was the priest? Rostand? No. One who is now a "star" Resister!

A Reader Writes: "Fellay & Co. Denied Me the Neo-SSPX's Communion
Because I Questioned Benedict-Ratzinger's Novus Ordo"
From: John (India)

Dear TRADITIO Fathers

It does not surprise me that Bernie Fellay and his subordinate priest-presbyters are conducting a purge of all Neo-SSPX clergy, so that those who profess continued devotion to Archbishop Lefebvre's traditional Catholic principles, whether clergy or lay, are being viciously persecuted. In my own case, when I was in prayer before the Maundy Thursday ceremonies, one of Fellay's clergy rushed over to interrupt my prayer and shout before the congregation at me that I was a "public sinner" because I had questioned the strong-arm tactics being used to force SSPXers into accepting Benedict-Ratzinger's Novus Ordo-based "Motu" Mess of 1962+.

Like your other reader, Fellay & Co. denied me the Neo-SSPX's Communion, even though a decade ago I had made a major donation of property to Fellay's now-corrupt organization. But, thank the Lord, I am much happier now out of Fellay's Neo-SSPX. I pray the Traditional Latin Mass prayers at home on Sundays and Holydays and hope for the day when the Lord will send us an independent traditional Catholic priest not affiliated with Fellay's Neo-SSPX.

Perhaps Bishop Williamson could make a trip to India for that purpose. There are many here who now despise Fellay's now anti-traditional organization and would welcome a true bishop like Richard Williamson into our midst.

magdalena · « **Reply #41 on:** January 24, 2013, 08:35:49 PM »

A "star" Resister? :confused1:

InDominoSperavi · « **Reply #42 on:** January 27, 2013, 04:51:24 PM »

Abp Lefebvre and Fr Pfeiffer say the same thing : the conciliar church hasn't a catholic doctrine and has not a catholic cult. But the pope is the pope. It is a mystery of iniquity. Listen to Fr Pfeiffer's sermons and you have all your answers.
Bp Tissier de Mallerais made a very powerful sermon in french about that subject :
http://aveclimmaculee.blogspot.fr/2013/01/un-sermon-extraordinaire-mgr-tissier-de.html

InDominoSperavi · « **Reply #43 on:** January 27, 2013, 04:59:54 PM »

Here is a good quote of Abp Lefebvre. I let you find the english translation :

Mgr Lefebvre le 29 juillet 1976 dit :
« L'Eglise qui affirme de pareilles erreurs est à la fois schismatique et hérétique. Cette Eglise conciliaire n'est donc pas catholique. Dans la mesure où le Pape, les évêques, prêtres et fidèles, adhèrent à cette nouvelle Eglise, ils se séparent de l'Eglise catholique. L'Eglise d'aujourd'hui n'est la véritable Eglise que dans la mesure où elle continue et fait corps avec l'Eglise d'hier et de toujours. La norme de la foi catholique, c'est la Tradition. »

Ferdinand · « **Reply #44 on:** January 27, 2013, 06:42:52 PM »

Quote from: curioustrad

Under the Title for the forum name I read:

Traditional Catholic Forum
A place for SSPX and other Traditional Catholics to discuss matters pertaining to the Catholic Faith

Now over on the recusant site I see a link to this forum and other pro-sspx rebellion sites.

I have read with distaste the frequent posts over here demanding to know who this or that ID is and demanding the expulsion and / or silencing of people who ask questions.

I have also seen the intimidation of people telling them to go join IA etc.

Clearly this site ISN'T what it bills itself to be and / or it has become infected with lurkers of a different persuasion with an agenda of their own.

This site seems to be a pro-SSPX-SO shill and not a place where Traditional Catholics (presumably without further distinction) can calmly debate.

I suppose after the founder / moderator was subjected to hectoring from the SSPX he thinks a repetition of the same behavior is acceptable along the lines of "Monkey see monkey do" as Bishop Williamson would say.

Factoring all this in - (as Jesus said in the Temple) "You shall not see me here again!".

I shall leave you to the ravings of semi-delusional American-wanna-be-Mexicans.

Good riddance scurriloustrad!