Author Topic: Fr. Pfeiffer please address this question: Is the Conciliar Church Catholic (Read 10407 times)

curioustrad · « **on:** January 15, 2013, 09:52:31 PM »

The only thing we really need to know. Not what the SSPX-accordistas are up to - but is the Conciliar Church the Catholic Church ? Straight question - how about a straight answer ?

Telesphorus · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2013, 09:55:42 PM »

Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre

We do not deny the Roman Church. We do not deny their existence, but we cannot follow their directives. We cannot follow the principles of the Council. We cannot relate.
I realized the desire of Rome to impose their ideas and their way of see. Cardinal Ratzinger always told me "But Monsignor, there is only one Church, it is not necessary to make a parallel church."
Which is this Church for him? The Conciliar Church, this is clear.
When he explicitly said to us: "Obviously, if this protocol [of 1988] is granted to you, you must also accept what we do, therefore, in the church Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet it will be necessary also to say a new mass every Sunday " …
You see he wanted to lead us to the Conciliar Church. This is not possible since it is clear that they want to impose these innovations on us to end the Tradition.
They do not grant anything for appreciation of the traditional liturgy, but simply to cheat those to whom they give it and to diminish our resistance; to insert a wedge in the traditional block to destroy it.
This is their policy, their conscious tactics. They do not make a mistake, and you know the pressures that they exert...

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/THE-VISIBILITY-OF-THE-CHURCH

curioustrad · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2013, 09:58:12 PM »

Quote from: Telesphorus

Quote from: Archbishop Lefebvre
We do not deny the Roman Church. We do not deny their existence, but we cannot follow their directives. We cannot follow the principles of the Council. We cannot relate.
I realized the desire of Rome to impose their ideas and their way of see. Cardinal Ratzinger always told me "But Monsignor, there is only one Church, it is not necessary to make a parallel church."
Which is this Church for him? The Conciliar Church, this is clear.
When he explicitly said to us: "Obviously, if this protocol [of 1988] is granted to you, you must also accept what we do, therefore, in the church Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet it will be necessary also to say a new mass every Sunday " …
You see he wanted to lead us to the Conciliar Church. This is not possible since it is clear that they want to impose these innovations on us to end the Tradition.
They do not grant anything for appreciation of the traditional liturgy, but simply to cheat those to whom they give it and to diminish our resistance; to insert a wedge in the traditional block to destroy it.
This is their policy, their conscious tactics. They do not make a mistake, and you know the pressures that they exert...

http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/THE-VISIBILITY-OF-THE-CHURCH

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1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2013, 11:39:12 PM »

You sure seem to have a lot of axes to grind, curioustrad. What gives?

Catechist99 · « **Reply #4 on:** January 16, 2013, 12:08:09 AM »

Somebody didn't get their cookie today. :wink:

curioustrad · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2013, 07:29:22 AM »

When somebody starts their own church we need to make sure it professes the One Holy Catholic Faith - the Apostolic part will follow in due course - no doubt.

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2013, 07:42:14 AM »

Quote from: curioustrad

The only thing we really need to know. Not what the SSPX-accordistas are up to - but is the Conciliar Church the Catholic Church ? Straight question - how about a straight answer ?

Answer: No.

AveMarisStella · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2013, 10:16:54 AM »

Dear CURIOUSTRAD aka Brother Peter or Michael Dimond:

Why don't you just contact Fr. Pfeiffer at the KY address and set this debate up?

Should be interesting. Be sure to post it at your website, www.schismatic-home-aloner.com.

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ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2013, 10:20:24 AM »

Quote from: curioustrad

When somebody starts their own church we need to make sure it professes the One Holy Catholic Faith - the Apostolic part will follow in due course - no doubt.

Fr. Pfeiffer has started his own church?

curioustrad, you're not a member of the resistance. I think you're just here to grind an axe against Fr. Pfeiffer. Please go elsewhere to do that, CatholicInfo doesn't appreciate slander like that here.

Catechist99 · « **Reply #9 on:** January 16, 2013, 10:57:03 AM »

Quote from: AveMarisStella

Dear CURIOUSTRAD aka Brother Peter or Michael Dimond:

Why don't you just contact Fr. Pfeiffer at the KY address and set this debate up?

Should be interesting. Be sure to post it at your website, www.schismatic-home-aloner.com.

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Catechist99 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 20, 2013, 12:19:26 AM »

Is the "Most Holy Family Monastery" the Catholic Church?

unprofitable servant · « **Reply #11 on:** January 20, 2013, 12:03:14 PM »

This reminds me of the time the Pharisees tried to trap Our Lord, in one of their many attempts. And what do you think He said?

"And Jesus answering, said to them: 'Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.' And they marvelled at him." Mark 12:17

curioustrad · « **Reply #12 on:** January 20, 2013, 05:44:27 PM »

Quote from: unprofitable servant

This reminds me of the time the Pharisees tried to trap Our Lord, in one of their many attempts. And what do you think He said?

"And Jesus answering, said to them: 'Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.' And they marvelled at him." Mark 12:17

He also said that everything he had taught he had taught openly and that nothing was hidden.

curioustrad · « **Reply #13 on:** January 20, 2013, 05:51:46 PM »

I would say the ultimate point of this thread from my perspective (since Scriptural quotations seem to be in order) I'm asking St. John the Baptist: By what authority do you do these things. Fr. Pfeiffer needs to offer some coherent ecclesiology before I will believe there is a reason for an episcopal consecration. I can more clearly see a consecration without an ecclesial exposition.

In modern times most very candidate for the episcopacy has given a serious theological justification for this step but here I can find none (justification in writing from him that is).

Mark my words this point will almost certainly go unaddressed - except by the thumbs down and one liner brigade but that's small beer where this is concerned.

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #14 on:** January 20, 2013, 07:00:19 PM »

It would seem that "curioustrad" has an axe to grind with Fr. Pfeiffer.