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We do not deny the Roman Church. We do not deny their existence, but we cannot follow their directives. We cannot follow the principles of the Council. We cannot relate. I realized the desire of Rome to impose their ideas and their way of see. Cardinal Ratzinger always told me "But Monsignor, there is only one Church, it is not necessary to make a parallel church." Which is this Church for him? The Conciliar Church, this is clear. When he explicitly said to us: "Obviously, if this protocol [of 1988] is granted to you, you must also accept what we do, therefore, in the church Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet it will be necessary also to say a new mass every Sunday " … You see he wanted to lead us to the Conciliar Church. This is not possible since it is clear that they want to impose these innovations on us to end the Tradition. They do not grant anything for appreciation of the traditional liturgy, but simply to cheat those to whom they give it and to diminish our resistance; to insert a wedge in the traditional block to destroy it. This is their policy, their conscious tactics. They do not make a mistake, and you know the pressures that they exert...
Quote from: Archbishop LefebvreWe do not deny the Roman Church. We do not deny their existence, but we cannot follow their directives. We cannot follow the principles of the Council. We cannot relate. I realized the desire of Rome to impose their ideas and their way of see. Cardinal Ratzinger always told me "But Monsignor, there is only one Church, it is not necessary to make a parallel church." Which is this Church for him? The Conciliar Church, this is clear. When he explicitly said to us: "Obviously, if this protocol [of 1988] is granted to you, you must also accept what we do, therefore, in the church Saint-Nicolas-du-Chardonnet it will be necessary also to say a new mass every Sunday " … You see he wanted to lead us to the Conciliar Church. This is not possible since it is clear that they want to impose these innovations on us to end the Tradition. They do not grant anything for appreciation of the traditional liturgy, but simply to cheat those to whom they give it and to diminish our resistance; to insert a wedge in the traditional block to destroy it. This is their policy, their conscious tactics. They do not make a mistake, and you know the pressures that they exert... http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php/THE-VISIBILITY-OF-THE-CHURCH
The only thing we really need to know. Not what the SSPX-accordistas are up to - but is the Conciliar Church the Catholic Church ? Straight question - how about a straight answer ?
When somebody starts their own church we need to make sure it professes the One Holy Catholic Faith - the Apostolic part will follow in due course - no doubt.
Dear CURIOUSTRAD aka Brother Peter or Michael Dimond:Why don't you just contact Fr. Pfeiffer at the KY address and set this debate up?Should be interesting. Be sure to post it at your website, www.schismatic-home-aloner.com. :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana: :dancing-banana:
This reminds me of the time the Pharisees tried to trap Our Lord, in one of their many attempts. And what do you think He said?"And Jesus answering, said to them: 'Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's.' And they marvelled at him." Mark 12:17