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Fr. Pfeiffer mentions a Fr. Tetherow - who?
« Reply #195 on: March 19, 2016, 10:53:47 AM »
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  • Good post.

    There needs to be an absolute clean break with Boston. It needs to wither away and die. Fr. Hewko needs to regroup and think clearly. Fr. Pfeiffer needs to spend time with his family and simply pray - he is heading for destruction. All the people who are supporting Boston must realize that this endeavour has not been blessed by God no matter all the rationalizations people may use.

    People need to stop mincing words.

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    « Reply #196 on: March 19, 2016, 11:06:48 AM »
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  • Another thought that comes to mind --

    You know how countless times you have a good priest in the Novus Ordo converting to Tradition, but he doesn't want to jump into the "Traditional Catholic" world (because they fight so much, there's so much messiness there) and he wants to have it both ways, so he tries to not get fired or suspended by his Bishop and still say the Tridentine Mass.

    Well, these priests always have to choose eventually. They discover that no, Archbishop Lefebvre wasn't rash to end up in the "Traditional Catholic" milieu. If anyone could have had it both ways, it was a prudent, balanced, wise prelate like +ABL.

    It's like they judge him, "Oh, he went off right away and left the Church. I like the Tridentine Mass and know that it's the only Mass I can say in good conscience, but I'm sure I can handle it a bit better than +ABL..."

    Then a number of months and years pass, and these priests have to decisively choose: stop saying the Latin Mass entirely like their angry, red-faced Bishop demands, or go "Traditional" and lose their position in the diocese (health insurance, pension, good standing with their bishop, etc.)

    And so, in the end, they finally understand why SO MANY priests before them had to leave the Novus Ordo just to do something clearly good like keep the Faith and say the Mass of All Times.

    But then, a couple years later, a young priest with a deep spiritual life and a good heart discovers the Latin Mass, and decides he can only say that Mass. He thinks, "Oh, I don't want to join that mess in the Traditional World; I'm going to be different! I'll be the first one to be a good holy priest and still be on good terms with the Church authorities. How hard can it be, to be civil and charitable rather than feisty and abrasive?"

    And so the process begins again. Lather, rinse, repeat...

    It gets wearisome though, for those who have seen it a MILLION TIMES (or what feels like a million times).

    This also applies to laymen. In their case, they are also reluctant to embrace the "Trad" label, trying to deny it as long as possible. They say things like, "Why can't we just be Catholics? Why all the labels?" They try to be some kind of "first" or "pioneer", like they were the first to think of this, and they believe they're somehow above the whole struggle. The Indulters are often guilty of this -- they want to be on good terms with the Conciliar Church, while trying to be faithful to the Catholic Faith like a good Trad.

    But you can't have it both ways. The sad fact is that the two are diametrically opposed, and so eventually you WILL have to choose.

    To answer their first question: "Why can't we just be Catholics?" Well, because words mean things, that's why. "Catholic" today means "maybe Catholic, poorly catechized, attending a de-facto protestant service on Sunday, and little-to-no fasting or abstinence".

    Here is my point:
    This applies to Fr. Pfeiffer as well. So many want to give him a 10th chance, a 150th helping of benefit of the doubt, hope beyond all reason, etc.

    But in doing so, you judge those of us who have already been there, done that. You assume we haven't given him many, many chances! You assume we jumped off the boat at the first opportunity, anxious to attack the poor priest. No, we were as reluctant as you. Don't think yourself so special!

    I supported Fr. Pfeiffer every bit as much as you. He was NOT a popular priest at my SSPX chapel, but I talked him up to everyone I could, trying to organize a local Resistance. And I was very reluctant to publicly excoriate Fr. Pfeiffer; I only did so for the greater good and past/present/future I don't do it because it was fun for me. It's extremely sad and frustrating. I wish I could have the old Fr. Pfeiffer from 4 years ago back. He was a good priest, a good fighter in the trenches. He was a go-getter. Now he's using his oratorical gifts to slam perfectly innocent priests and bishops.

    By giving him a "chance" under these circuмstances, what I'm actually doing is siding with him against his victims. His victims are ALSO priests, only they are doing good RIGHT NOW. Fr. Pfeiffer needs to convert first before he can be in that category.

    If you have two human beings, one holding a baseball bat and hitting the other and the other on the ground taking a beating, how can you be charitable towards both? That charity is going to look DIFFERENT applied to each of these men. The attacker doesn't have the same claim on your love as the victim. The attacker needs to be OPPOSED FOR HIS OWN GOOD, whereas the victim has first claim on your money, time, and love. He's good RIGHT NOW whereas the attacker is only POTENTIALLY good (if he converted).

    That doesn't mean you can hate either of them, but the dictates of charity say that you should give to each something different:

    Attacker: opposition, even beat him up/call the cops, for the sake of charity (the good of his soul)
    Victim: go full-on good Samaritan with him: take care of him, take him to the hospital, make him comfortable, etc.

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    « Reply #197 on: March 19, 2016, 12:46:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: obscurus
    People need to stop mincing words.


    Proud to say that not "mincing words" is what I'm known for.

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    « Reply #198 on: March 19, 2016, 01:15:44 PM »
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  • Cathinfo 'Understatement of the Week' Award goes to OHCA.

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    « Reply #199 on: March 20, 2016, 10:07:53 PM »
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  • Just like all the clear evidence presented against Moran? Don't be naive!


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    OHCA and Manuel,

    You guys take it outside, please! You're derailing this thread. Put each other on ignore or something.


    Sorry about that.

    I believe that Boston will listen to the facts in this matter; that Tetherow is not trustworthy.


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    « Reply #200 on: March 20, 2016, 11:26:09 PM »
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  • A week has past since Fr. Pheiffer gave a sermon stating that Fr. Tetherow was his friend.

    Has there been any retraction or apology for this mistaken endorsement ?

    Does Father and "pablo", his press agent, think they'll be given a pass on this one?


    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #201 on: March 21, 2016, 12:06:16 AM »
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  • I was asked to post this, taken from a magazine article:
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    Fr. Pfeiffer mentions a Fr. Tetherow - who?
    « Reply #202 on: March 21, 2016, 12:15:14 AM »
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  • Quote from: Caraffa
    Fr. Tetherow is a convicted pedophile.

    http://www.saintspeterandpaulrcm.com/OPEN%20LETTERS/TETHEROW.htm

    How ironic that the title of Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon is "Ecclesiastical Wickedness."


    Wow, this is scary. I can't help but feel bad for Fr. Pfeiffer. https://michaelbaumann.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/tetherow-is-now-garbiel-francis-and-now-he-is-building-a-school/
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    « Reply #203 on: March 21, 2016, 01:54:41 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    I was asked to post this, taken from a magazine article:



    Let me guess...

    Father Pfeiffer met Tetherow at the KC airport...

    Then he convinced to give up modeling and join the Resistance?
      :thinking:
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    « Reply #204 on: March 21, 2016, 02:59:33 AM »
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  • Quote from: Matthew
    Yes, again and again I see Fr. Pfeiffer, Pablo, Greg Taylor, Maccabees, etc. that whole group engage in the psychological phenomenon of PROJECTION, where a person projects their own faults onto their adversary, and then proceeds to lambast them.

    It's kind of like "the pot calling the kettle black", only it's more like "the pot calling the (red) strawberry black." No, the strawberry isn't black, but as a matter of fact YOU are black, Mr. pot!

    It's also a modern political technique. Don't go on the defensive; that can make you appear weak and passive. Rather than wait for your adversary to attack you, attack HIM with whatever you are guilty of! That way, if he ends up attacking you, it will seem like a desperate, tit-for-tat, "me too" maneuver.

    It's also extremely bold and gutsy -- it takes a lot of chutzpah to pull that off. You also have to be pretty good at lying. Basically it's a Donald Trump kind of move.

    This is absolutely spot on -- to include the Trump reference.
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    « Reply #205 on: March 21, 2016, 04:56:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Quote from: Matthew
    I was asked to post this, taken from a magazine article:



    Let me guess...

    Father Pfeiffer met Tetherow at the KC airport...

    Then he convinced to give up modeling and join the Resistance?
      :thinking:


    Close.

    I asked my husband to put the whole article on pdf. I'll ask him to post it for me.

    This happened while in York , functioning as a "traditional" priest and only months before he helped serve Mass at the SSPX chapel in Philadelphia for + de Galarreta because the SSPX was so "impressed" by him even after he  was dismissed from SSP&P. I should add, the year after going to the SSPX priest meeting as a guest.

    He only told one of the women about it. I was sewing with her at the basement of the Chapel when the Magazine people came and she was so mortified she told me. When the article came out, this woman gave me a hardcopy just before it was taken out by the Magazine when they saw his background.
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    « Reply #206 on: March 21, 2016, 10:18:44 AM »
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  • Quote from: obediens
    Just like all the clear evidence presented against Moran? Don't be naive!


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    OHCA and Manuel,

    You guys take it outside, please! You're derailing this thread. Put each other on ignore or something.


    Sorry about that.

    I believe that Boston will listen to the facts in this matter; that Tetherow is not trustworthy.


    I spoke with Father Hewko on the matter. I believe what he told me, and it is why I have some hope that they will release an official statement soon, that they will not make use of his services for the missions or the seminary.

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    « Reply #207 on: March 21, 2016, 10:56:06 AM »
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  • Someone should docuмent this procedure so that it can be followed more efficiently in the future:

    1) Cathinfo does due diligence on matters of faith and morals concerning OLMC where Kentucky priests have not time/interest.
    2) Cathinfo passes its findings to Martin
    3) Martin discusses the matter Fr. Hewko
    4) OLMC promises to remedy the situation immediately
    5) "immediately"  translates to "at some point, perhaps"

    A repeatable process is worth its weight in gold.

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    « Reply #208 on: March 21, 2016, 11:05:37 AM »
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  • Quote from: BJ5
    Someone should docuмent this procedure so that it can be followed more efficiently in the future:

    1) Cathinfo does due diligence on matters of faith and morals concerning OLMC where Kentucky priests have not time/interest.
    2) Cathinfo passes its findings to Martin
    3) Martin discusses the matter Fr. Hewko
    4) OLMC promises to remedy the situation immediately
    5) "immediately"  translates to "at some point, perhaps"

    A repeatable process is worth its weight in gold.


    I hope step five will be "ASAP"... That's what I'm hoping and praying for.

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    « Reply #209 on: March 21, 2016, 11:15:22 AM »
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  • Quote from: ManuelChavez
    I believe that Boston will listen to the facts in this matter; that Tetherow is not trustworthy.


    Why do you think he's not trustworthy?