The short version: He is trying to rehabilitate (defend) Fr. Marshall Roberts, despite all the truth that has come out about him in the past couple weeks.What exactly is he saying?
He is exaggerating and lying as usual.
More is coming -- stay tuned.
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It never ends does it? How many times are we going to expose the massive lack of judgment by Fr. Pfeiffer? Seriously, is it ever going to end?
Yet, he will claim ad nauseum that he is defending the Archbishop's legacy from the corruption of the Neo-SSPX and the "compromised" stance of Bishop Williamson and his "followers". It is getting to the point of absurdity.
.Very, very few supporters send in enough money to keep the place going?
To be perfectly honest, I think that there are very, very few who actually continue to support him. There are some, sure, but it's actually pretty phenomenal the way that his support bandwagon has been almost entirely emptied in the course of a few years. When he was ejected from the SSPX just a few years ago, you could read the forum and easily confuse him with Elias!
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I personally spoke with Fr. Perez about this issue yesterday. He confirmed that he read the letter Fr. Roberts wrote to the seminarian and that he, Fr. Perez promptly dismissed (Fr Roberts) because the letter was that bad. Fr. Perez told me the letter was very clear, of a very scandalous nature, and further, as far as I can determine, exactly as described in these threads. Fr. Perez also said to me: "a tiger doesn't change its stripes". And, "why doesn't Fr. Pfeiffer get in touch with me?" Fr. Perez also told me that I wasn't the first person to contact him.
It looks as though Fr Pfeiffer has removed his long letter defending Fr Roberts. Has he had second thoughts? Is the Kool Aid wearing off? What a sad, desperate cult they have become. Like the SSPX they should just crawl away and wind up operations which will ultimately cause less harm and heart ache.I'm afraid the only thing that will accomplish this is an absolute catastrophe, magnitudes more disastrous than any of the scandals to date. (Don't just "tsk tsk"-Pray and sacrifice for Frs P and H and the seminarians at OLMC! PtM too!)
Where can we find this propaganda campaign?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFeApISEdLg&t=79s
I'm afraid the only thing that will accomplish this is an absolute catastrophe, magnitudes more disastrous than any of the scandals to date. (Don't just "tsk tsk"-Pray and sacrifice for Frs P and H and the seminarians at OLMC! PtM too!)Wonder how supporters of fr. Pfeiffer are going to defend this. Wonder how fr. Hewko can stand this.
It looks as though Fr Pfeiffer has removed his long letter defending Fr Roberts. Has he had second thoughts? Is the Kool Aid wearing off? What a sad, desperate cult they have become. Like the SSPX they should just crawl away and wind up operations which will ultimately cause less harm and heart ache..
Wonder how supporters of fr. Pfeiffer are going to defend this. Wonder how fr. Hewko can stand this.Fr Hewko is a militant defender of Fr Roberts.
Fr Hewko is a militant defender of Fr Roberts.What has happened to our dear fr. Hewko?
Fr Hewko is a militant defender of Fr Roberts.The evidence against fr. Roberts is overwhelming...
2. The instability of Fr Roberts, who is constantly changing places, names and shapes is a related problem.
Point 2 is very important. The facts of history demand that we all notice this. He has joined so many groups, and his clerical career reads like a soap opera. From one group to another. He even changed his name for a while (Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP).
3. My best advice to Fr Roberts is to remain out of view and do real penance for ten years or decades at least. He cannot help anyone anymore; let him realize it for his own sake'as well.
That should be the advise of Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko if they care about him. The SSPX, knowing Fr. Roberts, have manipulated him for their own purpose. The advise of Fr. Chazal is very wise as it is charitable.
3. My best advice to Fr Roberts is to remain out of view and do real penance for ten years or decades at least. He cannot help anyone anymore; let him realize it for his own sake'as well.Is this a big typo?
I posted a victim affidavit that proved Fr. Roberts guilt on cor mariae on the thread about Fr. Roberts and they deleted the whole thread and Fr. Pfeiffer's open letter.They're feeling the heat from a position they cannot defend.
Guess they don't want anyone accepting Fr. Pfeiffer's challenge to bring him proof of Fr. Robert's crimes.
It looks as though Fr Pfeiffer has removed his long letter defending Fr Roberts. Has he had second thoughts? Is the Kool Aid wearing off? What a sad, desperate cult they have become. Like the SSPX they should just crawl away and wind up operations which will ultimately cause less harm and heart ache.No, he is not having second thoughts. In fact, he has dug in his heels in support of Fr. Roberts. They removed the open letter because I posted a victim's affidavit showing guilt as proof.
What has happened to our dear fr. Hewko?I think Fr. Hewko that we remember is long gone. Regardless of sermons being on point, he has chosen a barrel of bad apples (I like the way you put that). Not just that but he has chosen to stay with them. He's done in my book and just as guilty as Fr. P.
To any ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ perversion he always used to say, "gross"....
He's been in a barrel with a bad Apple too long...
I think it's been proven that to guarantee a topic surviving or perduring on CI through thousands of views and hundreds of comments, one need only make it about Fr. Pfeiffer or people associated with Fr. P. What is this endless fascination with a priest who obviously went off into the weeds several years ago?Because we are fascinated with the failures of men... It is part of our fallen human nature. I am guilty as the rest.
If Fr. Pfeiffer, et al, feel that there is some prophecy to be fulfilled regarding his becoming a bishop, or a prophecy that the OLMC location is to be a singular location upon which the Church will center and depend in order to rise from the ashes, THE "saving spot" of the Church - well, this may explain why he hangs in there NO MATTER WHAT, why he grasps at outrageous opportunities or accepts whoever shows up at the door who he feels can help keep it all going or keep this "vision" alive.
It doesn't matter to them. The more you criticize them the more they will claim to be persecuted for the truth. As I said, it is a vicious cycle. Only grace will get him to see the fallacy of his ways.True enough, yes, grace.
Do you have some knowledge of their having such prophetic delusions?There are those who have known them through the years who have wondered if such a motivation is what is driving it all - but it remains uncertain since Fr. P. has never stated so. He only says what he says. Meanwhile, for many the situation is a puzzle, and heartbreak.
If Fr. Pfeiffer, et al, feel that there is some prophecy to be fulfilled regarding his becoming a bishop, or a prophecy that the OLMC location is to be a singular location upon which the Church will center and depend in order to rise from the ashes, THE "saving spot" of the Church - well, this may explain why he hangs in there NO MATTER WHAT, why he grasps at outrageous opportunities or accepts whoever shows up at the door who he feels can help keep it all going or keep this "vision" alive.Fr. Pfeiffer believes the end justifies the means. That is all.
From Fr. Chazal (he gave me permission to post this online):Neil Obstat posted this earlier on in this thread:
Since I saw it, in 2013, if i recall the year, Fr Pfeiffer flew me to LA, and we met the excellent Attila Sinke Guimaraes, at his home, then we proceeded to Fr Perez.
He was overclear on Fr Roberts, the letter he caught, and the expulsion.
Since Fr Pfeiffer knows Fr Perez and his testimony perfectly, he can confront both and know things for himself.
I do not see how can Fr Perez lie on this. (By the way his "boeuf bourguignon" was memorable).
I do not understand why Fr Pfeiffer calls witnesses to come forward, since he met one directly. (By the way we asked Fr Perez to get convalidated and abstain from the xspx for Confirmations, and he politely declined. I still trust he will do the right thing one day, and I trust Bishop Zendejas good sense down the line).
The instability of Fr Roberts, who is constantly changing places, names and shapes is a related problem.
My best advice to Fr Roberts is to remain out of view and do real penance for ten years or decades at least. He cannot help anyone anymore; let him realize it for his own sake'as well.
As for Kentucky, they will have to take full damage before they realize, not admit, they made another blunder.
But more will come, since they are accountable only to themselves, like Bishop Fellay.
The only good out of this is that only core members of pfeifferism remain, after one and another layer of the onion gets peeled off. We pray God that good families, after their bad experience with Fr Pfeiffer, will not fall into despair and will trust the few good priests that are still offering their help to them in America.
In Iesu et Maria,
Francois Chazal+
I think it's been proven that to guarantee a topic surviving or perduring on CI through thousands of views and hundreds of comments, one need only make it about Fr. Pfeiffer or people associated with Fr. P. What is this endless fascination with a priest who obviously went off into the weeds several years ago?
Deposition of Matthew sellinger regarding the SSJ, including fr. Roberts attached.I saw no mention whatsoever of Fr. Roberts unless perhaps he was being referred to with a different name. What page(s) of the deposition is he found on and under what name?
I saw no mention whatsoever of Fr. Roberts unless perhaps he was being referred to with a different name. What page(s) of the deposition is he found on and under what name?Fr Roberts is mentioned in the letter from Fr Menkelt to Bshp Martini, 2nd page
Does anyone know what those behind 'Ecclesia Militans' and 'Catholic Candle' think of the latest scandals of the cult? Those two sites have been quite vociferous in their support of them but have gone strangely quiet.Let us hope they are reconsidering their support.
Let us hope they are reconsidering their support..
I wonder if they are aware that fr. Pfeiffer had a priest conference planned at OLMC, which is why fr. Cordaro was there, and a special guest was to be none other than a.b. Moran.
The conference was cancelled due to the fr. Roberts scandal blow up.
Does anyone know what those behind 'Ecclesia Militans' and 'Catholic Candle' think of the latest scandals of the cult? Those two sites have been quite vociferous in their support of them but have gone strangely quiet.Eccl. Milit. stopped putting up copies of the British newsletter in the past (31-38 missing) -- maybe they'll stop it again, now.
Does anyone know what those behind 'Ecclesia Militans' and 'Catholic Candle' think of the latest scandals of the cult? Those two sites have been quite vociferous in their support of them but have gone strangely quiet.
I cannot watch this go on any longer without saying something. We went through this at Christmas and here we are again.
I realize most of you do not know Fr. Roberts. I understand your suspicion these days of any priest, especially one who has been accused of something horrendous. But I'd like to give you MY impression of Fr. Roberts.
I met this good priest last Fall. I was impressed from the first moment I met him at his chapel. I knew practically nothing of the allegations against him and after meeting him such suspicions never even crossed my mind.
Now mind you, in my working years I worked alongside openly gαy men because they happened to work for the companies I worked for. In a large city that is the case. So I have been well-acquainted with the characteristics of a gαy man.
In my years in the Church I have met priests whom I suspect were gαy because I saw the same characteristics in them.
I SEE NONE OF THIS IN FR. ROBERTS.
If there ever was a heterosɛҳuąƖ man who went by the book, it is he. There is NO funny business about him in any way whatsoever. I attend his Mass weekly and only regret that I cannot attend daily. His sermons are out-of-the-ballpark good--especially the one he gave for the Sunday near the Feast of the Sacred Heart about how little devotion there is to Jesus's Heart and how little loved He is. I haven't heard these kinds of sermons since I was a kid before Vatican II. He quotes Scripture. He quotes Canon Law. He refers to Tradition when asked why this or that or what to do in such-and-such a circuмstance. He is a walking encyclopedia of Church history, lives of the Saints, you name it.
I've been searching for 51 years for a priest to answer some personal (apply only to me) questions I've had and Fr. Roberts is the ONLY priest who has been able to answer them. Again, he quotes Jesus's words and explains how they apply in the situations I asked him about. No priest has ever been able to do this for me. AND HE MAKES PERFECT SENSE. The ability to guide a soul (and I understand I am not the only one) with such precision is totally incompatible with someone in the state of mortal sin. If you don't believe me, look in your theology books. It's there. I've gotten one crazy answer with no foundations for it from priest after priest until I met Fr. Roberts.
Not only do I know him from Mass and Confession, but socially as well. He is a delight to be around. I've spoken to him privately and in a group setting. He has a very well-rounded personality and his conversation is fascinating because of his intelligence and knowledge.
Father wears the full Dominican habit all the time. I do not know his standing in the Dominican Order. He has a Dominican Third Order group in Jacksonville, FL and is starting up a Discalced Carmelite Third Order group there as well.
I will tell you one thing: It is worth moving to Jacksonville, FL to have the God-given grace to have this priest for your Mass. I've seen 51 years of priests and this one is OUTSTANDING. He encourages us to take up our cross and follow Jesus, that the servant cannot be greater than the Master, that we should pray to become holy, that our attention should be focused on God dwelling within us (if we are in the state of grace and if not, to get to confession ASAP) and our eyes should be on Heaven and not on the things of this earth. He has told me many times to "accept suffering" as that proves love of God and to depend on Divine Providence to work out my difficulties in life. HE CAUSES ME TO REMEMBER WHAT BEING A CATHOLIC IS ALL ABOUT, which I thought I knew until I met this hard-hitter priest (in the sense of nothing is trivial if it offends God). And he will spend as long a time as needed with you in confession to set your soul at ease and he lets you ask as many questions as you want.
Now you can say this is emotional and not based in facts about the allegations, but let me say this: You can read the top theologian's books on what a priest should be and this priest is IT. I know. I've read the books and have been searching for such a priest all my life.
As for his possible "reformation" -- I can't possibly see what there could have been to "reform." (Pardon me if I am using the wrong term but if I try to go back to see what was posted I'll lose this page for sure.) We recently celebrated his 17th year of ordination. He recounted to us his history with the Society and the St. John's group, etc. As I recall, he said he didn't like what was going on at St. John's and left. I wish I had paid more attention but my mind was centered on how utterly deplorable it is these days that a good priest like Fr. Roberts should have to endure so many difficulties just to be a good Catholic priest.
I am suspicious of ALL priests as I've had some things happen to me in dealing with some that are too shocking to write here so I don't automatically place ANY priest on a pedestal just because he's a priest. I learned to not do that the hard way. I've watched Fr. Roberts for months just waiting for something shocking or unpleasant to happen and the more I get to know him, the more I admire him.
Let me say this: I've had cancer recently. I'm still in the time period when it is most likely to return. Should that happen, I hope and pray Fr. Roberts will be my priest when I'm on my deathbed. I want HIM to prepare me to be judged by God. I mean this sincerely. I don't know what higher recommendation I can give a priest.
So you condemn a priest because of something you've read on the internet. Have you heard of infighting between Novus Ordo, SSPX, sedes, xSSPX, Resistance, Pfeifferites, etc.?Not because of the internet.
I remember reading Fr Roberts' own account of the matter on Angelqueen c.2012, when these accusations were made then. He said the 'incriminating' letter at the seminary was a suggestion that he and the other seminarian have a spiritual correspondence (like St Therese and the missionary priest she wrote to) and which was allowed in pre-VII monasteries with the permission of superiors). But the priests at Christ the King hadn't heard of this and jumped to the wrong conclusion. He later helped the excellent Fr Peter Scott for a year, then Bishop Williamson went into the whole matter before ordaining him.Why doesn't fr. Pfeiffer call fr. Perez and get to the bottom of It? Fr. Perez read the letter. fr. Pfeiffer did not. Fr. Perez was there. Fr. Pfeiffer was not. Instead he attacks fr. Perez in a public letter written to Mr. John pfeiffer.
Why doesn't fr. Pfeiffer call fr. Perez and get to the bottom of It? Fr. Perez read the letter. fr. Pfeiffer did not. Fr. Perez was there. Fr. Pfeiffer was not. Instead he attacks fr. Perez in a public letter written to Mr. John pfeiffer.
Anyone associated with the SSJ for any length of time, especially with a problematic past, is a priest to stay away from. And it certainly is a priest who should NOT be at a seminary.
Could you please help out by providing a link for that public letter from Fr. Pfeiffer to Mr. John Pfeiffer? BTW, is there any relation between those two Pfeiffers that you know of or is it just some sort of coincidence of the same names? Also, do you know of any public response that Mr. Pfeiffer has given and if so where that may be found?Mr. Pfeiffer wrote a personal letter to coordinators warning them about fr. Roberts, as I understand. Fr. Pfeiffer responded with a public letter to Mr. Pfeiffer. Fr. Hewko followed with the same. The priest letters have been removed online as his supporting websites, that I have seen, have gone strangely quiet. Cor-maraie even went to far as to ban any discussion on fr. Roberts.
Fr Roberts was booted out of Jacksonville in August of this year. Another diocese rejected him after that.He was rejected by the Resistance Mass coordinators in Ireland and specifically by Fr. Ballini and Fr. MacDonald.
Could you please state which diocese rejected him?
I thought he was rejected by a diocese, how do you know it was the Irish resistance? I'm not trying start an argument I just need information.My fault, Richard. It was a resistance chapel, not an archdiocese that recently rejected him. And yes, I also heard it was in Ireland although the source did not want to be named. You can contact one of the two protests mentioned for more information.
Could you please help out by providing a link for that public letter from Fr. Pfeiffer to Mr. John Pfeiffer? BTW, is there any relation between those two Pfeiffers that you know of or is it just some sort of coincidence of the same names?Can't provide the link. Sounds more like fr. Pfeiffers henchman than a priest.... So many errors, don't know where to begin to dissect it.
I, pablotheMexican, Chief in Charge The Resistance World-wide Jurisdiction.
pablotheMexican,
Lead Investigator
Pablo had to get in the fray...:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :jester:
Too stupid for comment.
Dear Mr. Cline, et.al.,
Please review the initial results of what will be an in depth investigation of Attorney
John Pfeiffer of Pfeiffer & Associates Law public accusations against Reverend Father Marshall Roberts.
There have not been discovered any out of court settlements, plea deals, or Nolo contendere pleadings attached to Reverend Father Marshall Roberts anywhere.
Please inform me, the Lead Investigator at this address of anyone claiming knowledge, or evidence of any criminal actions by Reverend Father Marshall Roberts.They will be dealt with appropriately/accordingly.
This is the initial demand letter sent to his law firm:
Our Lady of Mount Carmel categorically denies each and every statement you have made and publicly disseminated in the hereto attached docuмent.
We demand an immediate retraction (publicly) and apology to all parties of interests regarding the hereto attached docuмent.
Further, we demand you provide hard evidence for each allegation you hearsay within the attached hereto docuмent. Docuмentation or lack thereof will be presented before the Court.
We demand you hand over the list of Faithful that you sent the hereto attached docuмent.
We demand you stop communicating with Resistance Coordinators.
We demand you immediately comply with our initial request.
Within 10 days of your receipt of this communication we are not satisfied with your compliance/behavior, I, pablotheMexican, Chief in Charge The Resistance World-wide Jurisdiction will have this cause brought before the Court.
In conclusion, a Complaint will be filed at the Bar for your unethical behavior.
May you hear our battle cry as you burn in Hell for especially making these statements during Feast Days of Nuestra Senora:
¡Ave María Purísima!
¡Viva Cristo Rey!
*
There is no basis for allegations against Reverend Father Marshall Roberts.
pablotheMexican,
Lead Investigator
Fr. Hewkos reply to Mr. Pfeiffer below. Fr. Hewko forget a that, among other things, a treatise is not for children, not to be read from the pulpit, and the pope recanted his approval of it. Fr. Hewko also forgets that "woe to he who scandalizes even one of My little ones..." how many children did fr. Pfeiffer scandalize from his sermon?What does OLMC practice about publicizing private conversations? If I recall didn't Fr. Pfieffer let everyone hear the private conversation he had with +BW on the phone soon after he had left the SSPX? I believe he played it for everyone to hear in England and on the internet at one of their "Resistance" conferences. Honestly, I can hardly believe my eyes when I read that Fr. Hewko is justifying Fr. Pfieffers crude sermon on the sins of impurity. I just can't believe he approves. What is going on here. :confused:
It IS evil for fr. Roberts to be in MY. The old fr. Hewko would know this...
Dear John Pfeiffer,
Since our long phone conversation on Sunday, December 10, 2017, many more facts have come to light. I thought the conversation was confidential since you appealed to me as a father, sought advice and repeatedly insisted that I accuse Fr. Pfeiffer of committing mortal sin for preaching the sermon against sins of impurity.
Since you chose to make it public, you oblige me to make some clarifications. First, the letter misrepresents my statements as taking lightly the matter regarding Fr. Roberts, when my laughter was rather in surprise at your reaction to Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon as being a mortal sin for him to have preached. I refer you to St. Peter Damian's treatise "The Book of Gommorah" which is far more graphic than anything Fr. Pfeiffer ever said. It has the approbation of Pope Leo IX as well.
Second, you quoted me as stating "it is evil for Fr. Roberts to be here in Boston, KY." This is false, the statement is a lie, I did not make that statement. This is why it is preferable to publicize what is written, with approval, rather than confidential conversations on the phone.
Let it be clear that I concur with the initial investigation of the lead investigator and also the statements of the Reverend Father Joseph Pfeiffer. I hope your good will prevails having been presented with the truth in defense of Fr. Roberts, in addition to the character reference from Fr. Pfeiffer and myself.
May the truth and charity of Christ prevail, united in the Holy Faith that is the victory over the world!
In Christ the King, Fr. David Hewko
I, pablotheMexican, Chief in Charge The Resistance World-wide Jurisdiction will have this cause brought before the Court.
Honestly, I can hardly believe my eyes when I read that Fr. Hewko is justifying Fr. Pfieffers crude sermon on the sins of impurity. I just can't believe he approves. What is going on here. :confused:Fr. Hewko has been in a barrel with a bad apply too long.
Fr. Hewko has been in a barrel with a bad apply too long..
.Sorry.
What's a bad apply? Something to do with "Please apply within"?
http://thecatacombs.org/thread/189/exoneration-rev-fr-marshall-robertsHomos/pedos tend to flock together, too.
New board from Pfeifferland, spreading an "exoneration" of Fr. Roberts without bothering to make a single phone call to verify anything about him.
It says a lot that Fr. Chazal and Fr. Ortiz disinvited him from the May Consecration because he had acted out again.
Then he loses his post in FL for acting out and getting caught.
Randy Engel was right: homo/pedos are not rehabilitatable. She says 100% recidivism.
I see on that board Greg Taylor has published a Jan. 4th letter to Fr. Ortiz to make an oblique defense of Frs. Pfeiffer & Hewko.It should... surprised it doesn't?
Shouldn't the presence of Fr. Roberts and Cordaro in Pfeifferland create a real conundrum for Greg Taylor?
I see on that board Greg Taylor has published a Jan. 4th letter to Fr. Ortiz to make an oblique defense of Frs. Pfeiffer & Hewko.In that letter Mr Taylor states, "...[fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko] would never knowingly have anything to do with schismatic or heretical false religions, except to convert them..." (regarding moran). Taylor goes on to claim a non-existent association between fr. Hewko, Pfeiffer and moran.
Shouldn't the presence of Fr. Roberts and Cordaro in Pfeifferland create a real conundrum for Greg Taylor?
Letter is real, Fr. Hewko is lost.
Randy Engel was right: homo/pedos are not rehabilitatable. She says 100% recidivism.Is Randy referring to particularly homo and pedo priests, or all homos and pedos in general? If they remain in active ministry, I would agree. But, many re/converted catholic ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have apparently rid themselves of such vices with prayer/penance.
Not sure what happened to him, but he's always been a very passive individual (I knew him at seminary). I could easily see him falling under the sway of a cult leader like Fr. Pfeiffer. Father Hewko has a good heart, but he's a bit naive; he once looked deeply scandalized when I mentioned in passing, "Well, St. Thomas [Aquinas] isn't infallible."You are right. I feel for him and keep him in my daily prayers.
http://thecatacombs.org/thread/189/exoneration-rev-fr-marshall-robertsThat website seems to be set up by the KS supporters of OLMC to be the USA version of the Australian cor-maraie and the England Recusant.
New board from Pfeifferland,
Say you're an SSPX priest even though you've been booted out..
.Seriously?
When was Fr. Hewko booted out?
From the link above:Letters were meant to be the same size. :facepalm:
P.61
Since his coming to York, PA, Fr. Samuel Waters has been conditionally re ordained by +Williamson with four witnesses present, my husband and myself included.