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Title: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Matthew on December 13, 2017, 11:01:21 AM
The short version: He is trying to rehabilitate (defend) Fr. Marshall Roberts, despite all the truth that has come out about him in the past couple weeks.

He is exaggerating and lying as usual.

More is coming -- stay tuned.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: cathman7 on December 13, 2017, 12:02:00 PM
P e o p l e......n e e d.... t o....s t o p....s u p p o r t i n g....F r P f e i f f e r

It never ends does it? How many times are we going to expose the massive lack of judgment by Fr. Pfeiffer? Seriously, is it ever going to end? 

Yet, he will claim ad nauseum that he is defending the Archbishop's legacy from the corruption of the Neo-SSPX and the "compromised" stance of Bishop Williamson and his "followers". It is getting to the point of absurdity. 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Matthew on December 13, 2017, 12:12:55 PM
He is bringing the "4 Resistance bishops" into it, which is not called for at all.
They have been doing their job: providing Sacraments (Confirmation, etc.) to the Faithful during this Crisis. That's their job.

A bishop's visit to a chapel to give Confirmation to the Faithful should NOT BE CONSIDERED AN ENDORSEMENT of the priest, his politics, his theology, his pet beliefs, etc.

Only mercenary organizations (like the SSPX, which has spent too much time learning from Freemasons)  use the Sacraments as political leverage or tools of manipulation.

Fr. Roberts is making his own decisions...and those decisions have consequences.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: JmJ2cents on December 13, 2017, 01:27:36 PM
Where can we find this propaganda campaign?  
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 13, 2017, 02:08:16 PM
Info about fr. Marshall Roberts and the perversion at olmc here, for those who don't already know:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/fr-marshall-roberts-update/
 
  https://www.cathinfo.com/anonymous-posts-allowed/concerning-perversion-at-olmc-ky/
 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Nooseph Polten on December 14, 2017, 09:15:29 AM
The short version: He is trying to rehabilitate (defend) Fr. Marshall Roberts, despite all the truth that has come out about him in the past couple weeks.

He is exaggerating and lying as usual.

More is coming -- stay tuned.
What exactly is he saying? 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Mithrandylan on December 14, 2017, 09:58:42 AM
P e o p l e......n e e d.... t o....s t o p....s u p p o r t i n g....F r P f e i f f e r

It never ends does it? How many times are we going to expose the massive lack of judgment by Fr. Pfeiffer? Seriously, is it ever going to end?

Yet, he will claim ad nauseum that he is defending the Archbishop's legacy from the corruption of the Neo-SSPX and the "compromised" stance of Bishop Williamson and his "followers". It is getting to the point of absurdity.
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To be perfectly honest, I think that there are very, very few who actually continue to support him.  There are some, sure, but it's actually pretty phenomenal the way that his support bandwagon has been almost entirely emptied in the course of a few years.  When he was ejected from the SSPX just a few years ago, you could read the forum and easily confuse him with Elias!
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: aryzia on December 14, 2017, 10:02:15 AM
I personally spoke with Fr. Perez about this issue yesterday.  He confirmed that he read the letter Fr. Roberts wrote to the seminarian and that he, Fr. Perez promptly dismissed (Fr Roberts) because the letter was that bad.  Fr. Perez told me the letter was very clear, of a very scandalous nature, and further, as far as I can determine, exactly as described in these threads. Fr. Perez also said to me: "a tiger doesn't change its stripes".  And, "why doesn't Fr. Pfeiffer get in touch with me?"  Fr. Perez also told me that I wasn't the first person to contact him. 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: happenby on December 14, 2017, 10:18:45 AM
Randy Engels' book, Rite of Sodomy found here
http://www.newengelpublishing.com/exploiting-traditionalist-orders-the-society-of-st-john/

Excerpt:

More Bad Apples in SSJ
 
          By early 2002, Bishop Timlin was aware that Fathers Urrutigoity and Ensey were accused of the sɛҳuąƖ molestation. The District Attorney’s office of Lackawanna County had launched a criminal investigation into the accusations of sɛҳuąƖ misconduct by the two SSJ priests, but was forced to abandon the case because of the statue of limitations. Time had run out for the complainant in May 2001. He would have to resort to a civil suit.
          Bishop Timlin immediately suspended Fathers Urrutigoity and Ensey and brought them to Scranton. Timlin was reported to be considering Urrutigoity’s request to be transferred to another religious order, when he learned that the SSJ had other “problem” priests.
          Fr. Marshall Roberts was another SSJ priest who resided with Urrutigoity and Ensey at St. Gregory’s Academy from 1997 to 1999.  
According to the Vice-Rector of Christ the King Institute in Gricigliano, Italy, in 1993 Roberts was kicked out of the seminary when he formed an inordinate sɛҳuąƖ attachment to a fellow seminarian with whom he had become infatuated. Within 24 hours of the Vice-Rector being informed of Roberts’ designs on his classmate, who did not appreciate the attention, Roberts was looking for new living quarters. Roberts was eventually ordained by the SSPX and later became a founding members of the SSJ. 
While at St. Gregory’s, Roberts befriended a young man from the graduating class of 1999 who later became a postulant in the Society. In a very irregular arrangement, Roberts and the postulant shared the same room and bed in a housing unit on the SSJ property.[60]
Fr. Christopher Clay was another follower of Urrutigoity although he was never formally a member of the Society. He was a third possible sɛҳuąƖ abuser of John Doe although his name does not appear in the civil lawsuit because, according to Doe’s co-counsel James Bendell, the case of overt sɛҳuąƖ abuse was much stronger with Urrutigoity and Ensey. 
After Bishop Timlin was advised that Clay was accused of also abusing John Doe, the bishop removed him from his teaching position at Bishop Hafey High School in Hazle Township, but with no apparent restriction as to travel. Later, Bishop Timlin offered to reassign Father Clay to St. Thomas More Church in Lake Ariel, Wayne County, but the priest had taken a leave of absence and returned to his hometown of Dallas, Texas where he attempted to recover from the stress of his encounter with the District Attorney’s office in Pennsylvania.[61]
After Father Clay returned to the Dallas area, he hooked up with an old friend, Father Allan Hawkins of St. Mary the Virgin Church in Arlington. In 2003, Fr. Hawkins called Bishop Timlin to see if he had any objection to Clay helping him out with Mass and parish work. Timlin said he had no objections. According to Hawkins, he was not told of the accusations of pederasty against Father Clay or that Clay’s case was still under an internal investigation by the Scranton Diocese.
In April 2002, Bishop Joseph Martino, the new Ordinary of Scranton wrote Clay asking what his plans were for his future ministry.”[62]
According to Chancellor Rev. Robert Wilson of the Dallas Diocese, diocesan officials did not know anything about Father Clay, much less that he was assisting Father Hawkins at the Arlington parish.
Fr. James Early, Chancellor of the Scranton Diocese said that Clay had advised the diocese that he was working in Texas as a medical insurance reviewer. If his statement is true, this means that apparently Timlin kept his own Chancellor in the dark as to Fr. Clay’s pastoral activities at St. Mary’s.
For his part, Timlin defended his actions on the basis that no criminal charges resulted from John Doe’s accusations (due to the statute of limitation) and he (Clay) was not named in the subsequent civil lawsuit filed by John Doe.
One parishioner from St. Mary’s who was interviewed by a reporter for The Dallas Morning News after the Scranton story broke exclaimed that “He’s excellent with the young people. …They feel like they can talk with him.”[63] Hmmmm. Let’s see. A pederast who is good with young people and makes them feel that they can communicate and confide in him! Absolutely astonishing!
The same Dallas paper also reported that the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has supposedly authorized an ecclesiastical judicial process against Urrutigoity, Ensey and Clay.[64] The reporter said that Fr. Urrutigoity had been recently spotted in the Dallas area. The $64,000 question is whether or not the two accused SSJ priests will flee the country to South America before their trial begins?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 14, 2017, 03:17:04 PM
The vice rector of Christ the king academy who kicked out then-seminarian Marshall Roberts was fr. Patrick Perez.

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Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 14, 2017, 04:15:41 PM
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To be perfectly honest, I think that there are very, very few who actually continue to support him.  There are some, sure, but it's actually pretty phenomenal the way that his support bandwagon has been almost entirely emptied in the course of a few years.  When he was ejected from the SSPX just a few years ago, you could read the forum and easily confuse him with Elias!
Very, very few supporters send in enough money to keep the place going?  
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 14, 2017, 05:48:07 PM

I personally spoke with Fr. Perez about this issue yesterday.  He confirmed that he read the letter Fr. Roberts wrote to the seminarian and that he, Fr. Perez promptly dismissed (Fr Roberts) because the letter was that bad.  Fr. Perez told me the letter was very clear, of a very scandalous nature, and further, as far as I can determine, exactly as described in these threads. Fr. Perez also said to me: "a tiger doesn't change its stripes".  And, "why doesn't Fr. Pfeiffer get in touch with me?"  Fr. Perez also told me that I wasn't the first person to contact him.
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Several years ago a friend told me that Fr. Pfeiffer and another priest showed up at his door one day. This was in the Los Angeles area near LAX (about 20 miles west of Fr. Perez's OLHC in Garden Grove, well within his operating range since he has Mass regularly in Northridge at 50 mi. distance). He had no idea who these two priests were until they introduced themselves. They had found this address from a contact list. Until their introduction my friend had never heard of them. He said it was very odd they would not have contacted him in advance of their arrival, since these days you never know who a stranger is and it could be a set-up for some kind of scheme. But they behaved as if this were nothing unusual. It would seem Fr. Pfeiffer could have been making a habit of  A)  dropping in unannounced to homes of non-acquaintances and  B)  making it a point to not contact Fr. Perez. IOW it seems that Fr. Pfeiffer and the other priest (could have been Fr. Chazal or Fr. Hewko?) presumed that the occupants of the house would of course recognize them immediately upon first sight, because of the Internet videos. But that would seem to have been presuming too much.
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Fr. Perez is on good terms with +W and makes no secret of that. But since Fr. Pfeiffer makes no secret of his differences with +W, it appears that Fr. Pfeiffer might (?) therefore (?) be avoiding contact with Fr. Perez.
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That's the only thing I can imagine could answer this question, "why doesn't Fr. Pfeiffer get in touch" with Fr. Perez? 
I mean, if they're going to pop in unannounced at a layman's home why wouldn't they try to pop in unannounced to a fellow priest's home or at least if 20 miles was too far, then bother to try calling him on the phone? Makes no sense.
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Why would 20 miles be "too far" when L.A. is over 2,000 miles away from KY?
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Good priests spend a lot of time reading spiritual books and praying. They are frequently interrupted by phone calls.
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Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: cebu on December 15, 2017, 11:05:51 AM
It looks as though Fr Pfeiffer has removed his long letter defending Fr Roberts. Has he had second thoughts? Is the Kool Aid wearing off? What a sad, desperate cult they have become. Like the SSPX they should just crawl away and wind up operations which will ultimately cause less harm and heart ache.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: cathman7 on December 15, 2017, 11:56:05 AM
I am fascinated and frustrated at seeing priests who should be at the forefront in defending Catholic orthodoxy, who should be leading souls to Christ, who should be balanced and utterly infused with the spirit of the Gospel instead laying a path of confusion and destruction because of their advancing of petty ideas and petty attachments all in the name of defending the pure and unadulterated teaching of Archbishop Lefebvre. My response is: nonsense! 

Let's be objective. When we see Fr. Pfeiffer whose zeal should have been an instrument for the cause of Tradition, the anti-liberalism of the Popes and perhaps a forgotten aspect -- the teaching of the spiritual life -- defend the indefensible (need I make a list?) one must wonder whether he really understands what he is doing. How is he building up the Mystical Body of Christ? Some of his "followers" on Cor-Mariae cannot see any faults in what Fr. Pfeiffer is doing because if they were to do so then their whole foundation would crumble. "We are defending the Truth!!!. We have the truth because we are being persecuted so much!" Such is the vicious cycle of irrationality. 

Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on December 15, 2017, 01:15:57 PM
It looks as though Fr Pfeiffer has removed his long letter defending Fr Roberts. Has he had second thoughts? Is the Kool Aid wearing off? What a sad, desperate cult they have become. Like the SSPX they should just crawl away and wind up operations which will ultimately cause less harm and heart ache.
I'm afraid the only thing that will accomplish this is an absolute catastrophe, magnitudes more disastrous than any of the scandals to date. (Don't just "tsk tsk"-Pray and sacrifice for Frs P and H and the seminarians at OLMC! PtM too!)
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 15, 2017, 02:02:35 PM
Where can we find this propaganda campaign?  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFeApISEdLg&t=79s
Pablo's latest video defending Fr Roberts
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 15, 2017, 02:06:58 PM
I'm afraid the only thing that will accomplish this is an absolute catastrophe, magnitudes more disastrous than any of the scandals to date. (Don't just "tsk tsk"-Pray and sacrifice for Frs P and H and the seminarians at OLMC! PtM too!)
Wonder how supporters of fr. Pfeiffer are going to defend this.  Wonder how fr. Hewko can stand this.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 15, 2017, 06:07:15 PM
It looks as though Fr Pfeiffer has removed his long letter defending Fr Roberts. Has he had second thoughts? Is the Kool Aid wearing off? What a sad, desperate cult they have become. Like the SSPX they should just crawl away and wind up operations which will ultimately cause less harm and heart ache.
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The video version is still online: UFeApISEdLg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFeApISEdLg
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If you download the video you can transcribe the letter later. It scrolls up the screen for the duration -- about 7 pages.
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The music background is really bad. It's a Mexican bugle & drum band with typically out-of-tune brass and approximate timing in the percussion.
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Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: aryzia on December 15, 2017, 07:11:49 PM
Wonder how supporters of fr. Pfeiffer are going to defend this.  Wonder how fr. Hewko can stand this.
Fr Hewko is a militant defender of Fr Roberts.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 15, 2017, 08:06:18 PM
Fr Hewko is a militant defender of Fr Roberts.
What has happened to our dear fr. Hewko?
To any ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ perversion he always used to say, "gross"....
He's been in a barrel with a bad Apple too long...
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 16, 2017, 05:58:14 AM
Fr Hewko is a militant defender of Fr Roberts.
The evidence against fr. Roberts is overwhelming...
Perhaps nostalgia of their seminary days together has clouded the judgements of the OLMC priests.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 16, 2017, 09:26:13 AM
Just a smattering of evidence online about Fr. Roberts (aka Fr. Mary of the Pillar, OP).

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http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles_HTML/2009/002_2009/VM-2009-02-16/VM-2009-02-16-A-00-Mgr_de_Galarreta_compromis.html 

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http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles/2009/VM-2009-01-23-A-00-Mgr_Williamson_Roberts.pdf
having managed to get himself ordained elsewhere, found his way to the Society of St. John in America. It raised immediate suspicions about that highly publicized traditionalist venture, since their ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs recruit their own kind and the predators help 'groom' young and trusting victims for one another.

All this at fact subject a docuмentation at www.SaintJustinMartyr.org/news/notices.html

Since about 2006, the abbot Marshall Roberts intervenes under the pseudonym of ' Fra Domenico' on the American forum Angelqueen , where he deposits an average post per day

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Fr. Hewko ordained deacon with ordination of Fr. Urutigioity, June 1991:
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles_HTML/2009/002_2009/VM-2009-02-16/VM-2009-02-16-A-00-Mgr_de_Galarreta_compromis_fichiers/image005.jpg

Fr Roberts ordained deacon with ordination of Fr. ensey, June 1995:
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles_HTML/2009/002_2009/VM-2009-02-16/VM-2009-02-16-A-00-Mgr_de_Galarreta_compromis_fichiers/image006.jpg

Fr Roberts ordination, June 1996:
http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles_HTML/2009/002_2009/VM-2009-02-16/VM-2009-02-16-A-00-Mgr_de_Galarreta_compromis_fichiers/image007.jpg

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Fr. Pfeiffer and Fr. Hewko long friendship with pervert priests and not the first time Fr. Roberts has been to Boston, KY:
http://stas.org/sites/sspx/files/v057_spr1995.pdf

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http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles_HTML/2008/005_2008/VM-2008-05-03/VM-2008-05-03-A-00-Williamson_Urrutigoity-n1-ENG.htm

Fr. Marshall Roberts is expelled from the seminary of the Institute of Christ the King because of accusations of sɛҳuąƖ misconduct. He finds refuge in the SSJ.

There came no end to the complaints and denunciations against the SSJ, Fr. Urrutigoity and against Fr. Marschall Roberts.

Dr. Bond issues a public notice to concerned Catholics.

Fr. Marshall Roberts becomes a third suspected sɛҳuąƖ offender.

On February 6, 2002, Fr. Marshall Roberts is charged with a moral affair.

Fr. Richard Munkelt, formerly with the SSJ, comes forward with further insights into the scandal.

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letter from Dr. Bond to +Timlin:
http://www.seattlecatholic.com/article_20020130_Harboring_sɛҳuąƖ_Predators_in_Scranton.html

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http://www.newengelpublishing.com/exploiting-traditionalist-orders-the-society-of-st-john/

Fr. Marshall Roberts was another SSJ priest who resided with Urrutigoity and Ensey at St. Gregory’s Academy from 1997 to 1999.   

According to the Vice-Rector of Christ the King Institute in Gricigliano, Italy, in 1993 Roberts was kicked out of the seminary when he formed an inordinate sɛҳuąƖ attachment to a fellow seminarian with whom he had become infatuated. Within 24 hours of the Vice-Rector being informed of Roberts’ designs on his classmate, who did not appreciate the attention, Roberts was looking for new living quarters. Roberts was eventually ordained by the SSPX and later became a founding members of the SSJ.  

While at St. Gregory’s, Roberts befriended a young man from the graduating class of 1999 who later became a postulant in the Society. In a very irregular arrangement, Roberts and the postulant shared the same room and bed in a housing unit on the SSJ property.[60]

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http://runningoff.blogspot.com/2004_07_25_archive.html
Sunday, July 25, 2004
New court docuмents filed by James Bendell, the attorney for John Doe, confirm that a fourth founding member of the Society of St. John has been accused of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ conduct: Fr. Bernardo Terrera. Terrera now joins the ranks of Fr. Carlos Urrutigoity, Fr. Eric Ensey, and Fr. Marshall Roberts.

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http://archives.leforumcatholique.org/consulte/message.php?arch=2&num=81196
I have been informed by the then vice-rector of the Institute's seminary in Gricigliano, Italy, that Marshall Roberts, who was a seminarian at the time, was pursuing a young seminarian to the point of writing him explicit love letters. According to the vice-rector, Marshall Roberts was enamored of this seminarian and, in his love letters, proposed a physical relationship. 
The young seminarian, who did not appreciate Marshall Roberts' advances, gave the love letters to the vice-rector who then saw to it that Marshall Roberts was dismissed from the seminary within 24 hours. 
Fr. Roberts found a happier home with the SSJ. As previously reported in my letter of February 6, 2002, both Fr. Carlos Urrutigoity and Fr. Dominic O'Connor gave Fr. Roberts the freedom to pursue a "particular friendship" in the SSJ. The object of Fr. Roberts' affections this time was a boy from St. Gregory's Academy who, upon graduation in 1999, joined the Society of St. John. Fr. Roberts and this boy occupied the same room on the SSJ's property in Shohola prior to Fr. Roberts' departure for England. When Fr. Roberts visited the SSJ in France, he was given special permission to spend time alone with this boy in his room after compline (night prayer). 

There are now three confirmed ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ predators in the Society of St. John: 
Fr. Carlos Urrutigoity, Fr. Eric Ensey, and Fr. Marshall Roberts. All three priests were founders of the SSJ.

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irony: "Restoring the Bastions" by Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP (aka Fr. marshall Roberts)
http://www.lulu.com/shop/fr-marshall-roberts/restoring-the-bastions/hardcover/product-21001961.html
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Matthew on December 16, 2017, 02:16:26 PM
From Fr. Chazal (he gave me permission to post this online):

Since I saw it, in 2013, if i recall the year, Fr Pfeiffer flew me to LA, and we met the excellent Attila Sinke Guimaraes, at his home, then we proceeded to Fr Perez.
He was overclear on Fr Roberts, the letter he caught, and the expulsion.
Since Fr Pfeiffer knows Fr Perez and his testimony perfectly, he can confront both and know things for himself.
I do not see how can Fr Perez lie on this. (By the way his "boeuf bourguignon" was memorable).
I do not understand why Fr Pfeiffer calls witnesses to come forward, since he met one directly. (By the way we asked Fr Perez to get convalidated and abstain from the xspx for Confirmations, and he politely declined. I still trust he will do the right thing one day, and I trust Bishop Zendejas good sense down the line).
The instability of Fr Roberts, who is constantly changing places, names and shapes is a related problem.
My best advice to Fr Roberts is to remain out of view and do real penance for ten years or decades at least. He cannot help anyone anymore; let him realize it for his own sake'as well.
As for Kentucky, they will have to take full damage before they realize, not admit, they made another blunder.
But more will come, since they are accountable only to themselves, like Bishop Fellay.
The only good out of this is that only core members of pfeifferism remain, after one and another layer of the onion gets peeled off. We pray God that good families, after their bad experience with Fr Pfeiffer, will not fall into despair and will trust the few good priests that are still offering their help to them in America.
In Iesu et Maria,
Francois Chazal+
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Matthew on December 16, 2017, 02:21:44 PM

Here are the most important parts of this letter from Fr. Chazal:
1. Since Fr Pfeiffer knows Fr Perez and his testimony perfectly, he can confront both and know things for himself.
I do not understand why Fr Pfeiffer calls witnesses to come forward, since he met one directly.

2. The instability of Fr Roberts, who is constantly changing places, names and shapes is a related problem.

3. My best advice to Fr Roberts is to remain out of view and do real penance for ten years or decades at least. He cannot help anyone anymore; let him realize it for his own sake'as well.

4. We pray God that good families, after their bad experience with Fr Pfeiffer, will not fall into despair and will trust the few good priests that are still offering their help to them in America.
Regarding point 1, it sounds like Fr. Pfeiffer knows very well the testimony against Fr. Roberts. He is willfully ignoring it, for the sake of his own personal convenience (his apostolate/cult/operation, his seminary, his war against the 4 Resistance bishops, etc.)

Point 2 is very important. The facts of history demand that we all notice this. He has joined so many groups, and his clerical career reads like a soap opera. From one group to another. He even changed his name for a while (Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP).

3 is excellent advice for someone in Fr. Robert's position. God doesn't will the death of the sinner, but that he be converted and live.

4 can't be emphasized enough: when a family/person has been poisoned by Pfeifferism, and taken into the cult, once they go sour on the cult they are NOT going to go back to the SSPX, or even Bp. Zendejas. They tend to become bitter, despairing home aloners.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on December 16, 2017, 04:35:20 PM

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2. The instability of Fr Roberts, who is constantly changing places, names and shapes is a related problem.



While Fr. Pfeiffer was exposing +Fellay, Fr. Roberts was eager to join the SSPX and deliver the Jacksonville chapel to them. The reason Fr. Rostand didn’t sign the papers for that chapel is because the SSPX-Jacksonville agreement involved Fr. Roberts as a condition (or he would have never convinced the board members). Early 2012 the SSPX wrote a letter to Rome asking if Fr. Roberts was acceptable to them. The letter of reply from Rome rejecting Fr. Roberts was published by Rorate Caeli withholding the priest name. That letter was posted on IA or CathInfo and Fr. Roberts posted an admission that he was the priest mentioned in the letter from the Vatican.

After that failed, he became part of the resistance against +Fellay.

If Rome had accepted Fr. Roberts and the SSPX had signed the agreement in June 2012, the Jacksonville chapel would have closed because under the Vatican-SSPX agreement, all chapels less than three years old had to close. That was revealed by +Tissier.

Now, instead of the pre-Bugnini Missal, the Jacksonville chapel use the 1962 missal which will be changed according to the stipulations from Summorum Pontificuм and its explanatory letter, Universae Ecclesiae.
http://radtradthomist.chojnowski.me/2017/10/dr-john-rao-call-your-office-only.html


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Point 2 is very important. The facts of history demand that we all notice this. He has joined so many groups, and his clerical career reads like a soap opera. From one group to another. He even changed his name for a while (Fr. Dominic Mary of the Pillar, OP).

You can add to it Fray Domingo.  https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/new-group-to-pray-for-the-pope/names.



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3. My best advice to Fr Roberts is to remain out of view and do real penance for ten years or decades at least. He cannot help anyone anymore; let him realize it for his own sake'as well.



That should be the advise of Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko if they care about him. The SSPX, knowing Fr. Roberts, have manipulated him for their own purpose. The advise of Fr. Chazal is very wise as it is charitable.


Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: hollingsworth on December 16, 2017, 05:52:06 PM
I have to wonder why some of you keep posting topics on Fr. Pfeiffer and Hewko.  Isn't it obvious that their ministries are in the dumpster?  Why post topics about these two, and go on about them page after page.  Let it go already!  The OLMC is over.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Veritas Unum on December 16, 2017, 07:45:58 PM
I posted a victim affidavit that proved Fr. Roberts guilt on cor mariae on the thread about Fr. Roberts and they deleted the whole thread and Fr. Pfeiffer's open letter.

Guess they don't want anyone accepting Fr. Pfeiffer's challenge to bring him proof of Fr. Robert's crimes.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Merry on December 16, 2017, 08:16:54 PM
A puzzle part, not an excuse for wrongdoing, but a possible reason for the Roberts/Pfeiffer situation being established might be that the Roberts are "old" family friends of the Pfeiffers; they go back somewhat.

 



Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 16, 2017, 08:25:10 PM
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3. My best advice to Fr Roberts is to remain out of view and do real penance for ten years or decades at least. He cannot help anyone anymore; let him realize it for his own sake'as well.
Is this a big typo?
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Should it say, do real penance for decades or at least for 10 years
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Problem translating from French?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 16, 2017, 11:07:19 PM
I posted a victim affidavit that proved Fr. Roberts guilt on cor mariae on the thread about Fr. Roberts and they deleted the whole thread and Fr. Pfeiffer's open letter.

Guess they don't want anyone accepting Fr. Pfeiffer's challenge to bring him proof of Fr. Robert's crimes.
They're feeling the heat from a position they cannot defend.

http://cor-mariae.com/index.php?threads/apologies.6807/#post-12614
Apologies to OLMC Fathers and all members who contributed to a thread recently started by said Fathers introducing Fr. Roberts. Cor Mariae refuses to give any credence to public tribunals or trial by Media that has developed since it started - hence it has been deleted.

There will be no more discussions about Fr. Roberts. If anybody seeks clarification contact either Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Hewko.

Pray for our priests one and all.

Admin.


It is not public tribunals or trials, its courts of law.  

There is no defense for anyone who was with the SSJ for any length of time.  Birds of a feather flock together.  If there was anything defaming in Mrs. Engle's book of many years ago, she would have been sued at the time.  

Fr. Pfeiffer wants proof?  Read the book!  Google the court docuмents and depositions.  They're there.

A thread started by the OLMC fathers?  I find that hard to believe...

How many more children need to be harmed?  How many more people will walk away from the Catholic Church due to ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ conduct by priests?  How much more must Our Lord suffer?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Veritas Unum on December 17, 2017, 12:46:30 PM
It looks as though Fr Pfeiffer has removed his long letter defending Fr Roberts. Has he had second thoughts? Is the Kool Aid wearing off? What a sad, desperate cult they have become. Like the SSPX they should just crawl away and wind up operations which will ultimately cause less harm and heart ache.
No, he is not having second thoughts. In fact, he has dug in his heels in support of Fr. Roberts. They removed the open letter because I posted a victim's affidavit showing guilt as proof.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Merry on December 17, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
If Fr. Pfeiffer, et al, feel that there is some prophecy to be fulfilled regarding his becoming a bishop, or a prophecy that the OLMC location is to be a singular location upon which the Church will center and depend in order to rise from the ashes, THE "saving spot" of the Church - well, this may explain why he hangs in there NO MATTER WHAT, why he grasps at outrageous opportunities or accepts whoever shows up at the door who he feels can help keep it all going or keep this "vision" alive.

You've been duped beyond the pale, Fr.  Look about you.  See what you've become - see what you allow and the types of things that you now approve.  You are not what you used to be!  Walk it back before it really is too late.  (Would Fr. Hannifin and Fr. Snyder really approve?  Would they operate as you have?)      
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: RoughAshlar on December 17, 2017, 04:15:55 PM
What has happened to our dear fr. Hewko?
To any ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ perversion he always used to say, "gross"....
He's been in a barrel with a bad Apple too long...
I think Fr. Hewko that we remember is long gone.  Regardless of sermons being on point, he has chosen a barrel of bad apples (I like the way you put that).  Not just that but he has chosen to stay with them.  He's done in my book and just as guilty as Fr. P.  
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: hollingsworth on December 17, 2017, 06:48:49 PM
I think it's been proven that to guarantee a topic surviving or perduring on CI through thousands of views and hundreds of comments, one need only make it about Fr. Pfeiffer or people associated with Fr. P.  What is this endless fascination with a priest who obviously went off into the weeds several years ago?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: cathman7 on December 17, 2017, 06:53:26 PM
I think it's been proven that to guarantee a topic surviving or perduring on CI through thousands of views and hundreds of comments, one need only make it about Fr. Pfeiffer or people associated with Fr. P.  What is this endless fascination with a priest who obviously went off into the weeds several years ago?
Because we are fascinated with the failures of men... It is part of our fallen human nature. I am guilty as the rest. 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Merry on December 17, 2017, 07:38:58 PM
Yes - it is a little like looking at an accident happening in slow motion.  But, for me, I hope to maybe say something that Fr. might see and effect a moment of clarity and pause even at this late date.  Speaking in person has not mattered, as has been the case for other people with him as well.  So, charity there - but also charity for the souls who may still wander in there uninformed.  
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: cathman7 on December 17, 2017, 07:58:02 PM
It doesn't matter to them. The more you criticize them the more they will claim to be persecuted for the truth. As I said, it is a vicious cycle. Only grace will get him to see the fallacy of his ways. 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Ladislaus on December 17, 2017, 08:24:33 PM
If Fr. Pfeiffer, et al, feel that there is some prophecy to be fulfilled regarding his becoming a bishop, or a prophecy that the OLMC location is to be a singular location upon which the Church will center and depend in order to rise from the ashes, THE "saving spot" of the Church - well, this may explain why he hangs in there NO MATTER WHAT, why he grasps at outrageous opportunities or accepts whoever shows up at the door who he feels can help keep it all going or keep this "vision" alive.

Do you have some knowledge of their having such prophetic delusions?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Merry on December 17, 2017, 08:41:22 PM
It doesn't matter to them. The more you criticize them the more they will claim to be persecuted for the truth. As I said, it is a vicious cycle. Only grace will get him to see the fallacy of his ways.
True enough, yes, grace.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Merry on December 17, 2017, 09:14:31 PM
Do you have some knowledge of their having such prophetic delusions?
There are those who have known them through the years who have wondered if such a motivation is what is driving it all - but it remains uncertain since Fr. P. has never stated so.  He only says what he says.  Meanwhile, for many the situation is a puzzle, and heartbreak.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 17, 2017, 11:03:51 PM
If Fr. Pfeiffer, et al, feel that there is some prophecy to be fulfilled regarding his becoming a bishop, or a prophecy that the OLMC location is to be a singular location upon which the Church will center and depend in order to rise from the ashes, THE "saving spot" of the Church - well, this may explain why he hangs in there NO MATTER WHAT, why he grasps at outrageous opportunities or accepts whoever shows up at the door who he feels can help keep it all going or keep this "vision" alive.

Fr. Pfeiffer believes the end justifies the means.  That is all.  
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: AJNC on December 18, 2017, 12:19:32 AM
From Fr. Chazal (he gave me permission to post this online):

Since I saw it, in 2013, if i recall the year, Fr Pfeiffer flew me to LA, and we met the excellent Attila Sinke Guimaraes, at his home, then we proceeded to Fr Perez.
He was overclear on Fr Roberts, the letter he caught, and the expulsion.
Since Fr Pfeiffer knows Fr Perez and his testimony perfectly, he can confront both and know things for himself.
I do not see how can Fr Perez lie on this. (By the way his "boeuf bourguignon" was memorable).
I do not understand why Fr Pfeiffer calls witnesses to come forward, since he met one directly. (By the way we asked Fr Perez to get convalidated and abstain from the xspx for Confirmations, and he politely declined. I still trust he will do the right thing one day, and I trust Bishop Zendejas good sense down the line).
The instability of Fr Roberts, who is constantly changing places, names and shapes is a related problem.
My best advice to Fr Roberts is to remain out of view and do real penance for ten years or decades at least. He cannot help anyone anymore; let him realize it for his own sake'as well.
As for Kentucky, they will have to take full damage before they realize, not admit, they made another blunder.
But more will come, since they are accountable only to themselves, like Bishop Fellay.
The only good out of this is that only core members of pfeifferism remain, after one and another layer of the onion gets peeled off. We pray God that good families, after their bad experience with Fr Pfeiffer, will not fall into despair and will trust the few good priests that are still offering their help to them in America.
In Iesu et Maria,
Francois Chazal+
Neil Obstat posted this earlier on in this thread:
Several years ago a friend told me that Fr. Pfeiffer and another priest showed up at his door one day. This was in the Los Angeles area near LAX (about 20 miles west of Fr. Perez's OLHC in Garden Grove, well within his operating range since he has Mass regularly in Northridge at 50 mi. distance). He had no idea who these two priests were until they introduced themselves. They had found this address from a contact list. Until their introduction my friend had never heard of them. He said it was very odd they would not have contacted him in advance of their arrival, since these days you never know who a stranger is and it could be a set-up for some kind of scheme. But they behaved as if this were nothing unusual. It would seem Fr. Pfeiffer could have been making a habit of  A)  dropping in unannounced to homes of non-acquaintances and  B)  making it a point to not contact Fr. Perez. IOW it seems that Fr. Pfeiffer and the other priest (could have been Fr. Chazal or Fr. Hewko?) presumed that the occupants of the house would of course recognize them immediately upon first sight, because of the Internet videos. But that would seem to have been presuming too much.
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Fr. Perez is on good terms with +W and makes no secret of that. But since Fr. Pfeiffer makes no secret of his differences with +W, it appears that Fr. Pfeiffer might (?) therefore (?) be avoiding contact with Fr. Perez.
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That's the only thing I can imagine could answer this question, "why doesn't Fr. Pfeiffer get in touch" with Fr. Perez? 
I mean, if they're going to pop in unannounced at a layman's home why wouldn't they try to pop in unannounced to a fellow priest's home or at least if 20 miles was too far, then bother to try calling him on the phone? Makes no sense.
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Why would 20 miles be "too far" when L.A. is over 2,000 miles away from KY?
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Good priests spend a lot of time reading spiritual books and praying. They are frequently interrupted by phone calls.
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Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: happenby on December 18, 2017, 11:22:56 AM
For those interested, more information on the Fr. Roberts case (affidavits, court docuмents, sworn testimonies, history of the SSJ and related scandal) will be/can be posted here:

http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f2-basket (http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f2-basket)
 (http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f2-basket)
 (http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f2-basket)
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: wallflower on December 18, 2017, 12:32:25 PM
I think it's been proven that to guarantee a topic surviving or perduring on CI through thousands of views and hundreds of comments, one need only make it about Fr. Pfeiffer or people associated with Fr. P.  What is this endless fascination with a priest who obviously went off into the weeds several years ago?

Have you never read a cautionary tale?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 18, 2017, 07:09:16 PM
Deposition of Matthew sellinger regarding the SSJ, including fr. Roberts attached.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 18, 2017, 10:11:56 PM
OLMC has become Alice in Wonderland, where up is down, bad is good, lies are a legitimate means to an end, and truth is sinful. 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: klasG4e on December 19, 2017, 12:01:49 PM
Deposition of Matthew sellinger regarding the SSJ, including fr. Roberts attached.
I saw no mention whatsoever of Fr. Roberts unless perhaps he was being referred to with a different name.  What page(s) of the deposition is he found on and under what name?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: happenby on December 19, 2017, 12:06:42 PM
I saw no mention whatsoever of Fr. Roberts unless perhaps he was being referred to with a different name.  What page(s) of the deposition is he found on and under what name?
Fr Roberts is mentioned in the letter from Fr Menkelt to Bshp Martini, 2nd page
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 19, 2017, 12:11:29 PM
Does anyone know what those behind 'Ecclesia Militans' and 'Catholic Candle' think of the latest scandals of the cult? Those two sites have been quite vociferous in their support of them but have gone strangely quiet.
Let us hope they are reconsidering their support.
I wonder if they are aware that fr. Pfeiffer had a priest conference planned at OLMC, which is why fr. Cordaro was there, and a special guest was to be none other than a.b. Moran.  
The conference was cancelled due to the fr. Roberts scandal blow up. 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 19, 2017, 01:24:13 PM
Let us hope they are reconsidering their support.

I wonder if they are aware that fr. Pfeiffer had a priest conference planned at OLMC, which is why fr. Cordaro was there, and a special guest was to be none other than a.b. Moran.  

The conference was cancelled due to the fr. Roberts scandal blow up.
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Awwww! .......... Now we don't get to hear Ambrose Bishop Moran giving his speeches?
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Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 19, 2017, 01:33:46 PM
Does anyone know what those behind 'Ecclesia Militans' and 'Catholic Candle' think of the latest scandals of the cult? Those two sites have been quite vociferous in their support of them but have gone strangely quiet.
Eccl. Milit. stopped putting up copies of the British newsletter in the past (31-38 missing) -- maybe they'll stop it again, now.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: klasG4e on December 19, 2017, 07:45:39 PM
Does anyone know what those behind 'Ecclesia Militans' and 'Catholic Candle' think of the latest scandals of the cult? Those two sites have been quite vociferous in their support of them but have gone strangely quiet.

I have been informed by a very -- as in VERY -- credible source that Catholic Candle has very recently separated from Boston and will have nothing more to do with them.  I do not know whether or not this will be commented upon in the next Catholic Candle issue or whether that entity will simply go silent on the matter.  Unfortunately, I am not at liberty at the present time to provide any further details on what I have reported here, other than to say that the total separation has presumably come about due to the continuing ongoing Boston scandals.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: klasG4e on December 20, 2017, 07:08:06 PM
I just received word today that the Chicago area Resistance chapel will no longer allow Frs. Pfeiffer or Hewko to continue their services there unless Fr. Roberts is completely banished from Pfeifferville and that apparently is just for starters.  They have had it -- and who can blame them?!
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Raphaela on December 22, 2017, 01:17:13 PM
I don't support the Pfeiffer cult in any way, but he may be speaking the truth here. See the thread on CathInfo from 2103 about Fr Marshall Roberts: 

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/%27restoring-the-bastions-the-church-militant-at-war%27/30/ (https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/%27restoring-the-bastions-the-church-militant-at-war%27/30/)

This post is particularly interesting:

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I cannot watch this go on any longer without saying something.  We went through this at Christmas and here we are again. 

I realize most of you do not know Fr. Roberts.  I understand your suspicion these days of any priest, especially one who has been accused of something horrendous.  But I'd like to give you MY impression of Fr. Roberts.

I met this good priest last Fall.  I was impressed from the first moment I met him at his chapel.  I knew practically nothing of the allegations against him and after meeting him such suspicions never even crossed my mind.

Now mind you, in my working years I worked alongside openly gαy men because they happened to work for the companies I worked for.  In a large city that is the case.  So I have been well-acquainted with the characteristics of a gαy man. 

In my years in the Church I have met priests whom I suspect were gαy because I saw the same characteristics in them. 

I SEE NONE OF THIS IN FR. ROBERTS.

If there ever was a heterosɛҳuąƖ man who went by the book, it is he.  There is NO funny business about him in any way whatsoever.  I attend his Mass weekly and only regret that I cannot attend daily.  His sermons are out-of-the-ballpark good--especially the one he gave for the Sunday near the Feast of the Sacred Heart about how little devotion there is to Jesus's Heart and how little loved He is.  I haven't heard these kinds of sermons since I was a kid before Vatican II.  He quotes Scripture.  He quotes Canon Law.  He refers to Tradition when asked why this or that or what to do in such-and-such a circuмstance.  He is a walking encyclopedia of Church history, lives of the Saints, you name it. 

I've been searching for 51 years for a priest to answer some personal (apply only to me) questions I've had and Fr. Roberts is the ONLY priest who has been able to answer them.  Again, he quotes Jesus's words and explains how they apply in the situations I asked him about.  No priest has ever been able to do this for me.  AND HE MAKES PERFECT SENSE.  The ability to guide a soul (and I understand I am not the only one) with such precision is totally incompatible with someone in the state of mortal sin.  If you don't believe me, look in your theology books.  It's there.  I've gotten one crazy answer with no foundations for it from priest after priest until I met Fr. Roberts.

Not only do I know him from Mass and Confession, but socially as well.  He is a delight to be around.  I've spoken to him privately and in a group setting.  He has a very well-rounded personality and his conversation is fascinating because of his intelligence and knowledge. 

Father wears the full Dominican habit all the time.  I do not know his standing in the Dominican Order.  He has a Dominican Third Order group in Jacksonville, FL and is starting up a Discalced Carmelite Third Order group there as well. 

I will tell you one thing:  It is worth moving to Jacksonville, FL to have the God-given grace to have this priest for your Mass.  I've seen 51 years of priests and this one is OUTSTANDING.  He encourages us to take up our cross and follow Jesus, that the servant cannot be greater than the Master, that we should pray to become holy, that our attention should be focused on God dwelling within us (if we are in the state of grace and if not, to get to confession ASAP) and our eyes should be on Heaven and not on the things of this earth.  He has told me many times to "accept suffering" as that proves love of God and to depend on Divine Providence to work out my difficulties in life.  HE CAUSES ME TO REMEMBER WHAT BEING A CATHOLIC IS ALL ABOUT, which I thought I knew until I met this hard-hitter priest (in the sense of nothing is trivial if it offends God).  And he will spend as long a time as needed with you in confession to set your soul at ease and he lets you ask as many questions as you want. 

Now you can say this is emotional and not based in facts about the allegations, but let me say this:  You can read the top theologian's books on what a priest should be and this priest is IT.  I know.  I've read the books and have been searching for such a priest all my life. 

As for his possible "reformation" -- I can't possibly see what there could have been to "reform."  (Pardon me if I am using the wrong term but if I try to go back to see what was posted I'll lose this page for sure.)  We recently celebrated his 17th year of ordination.  He recounted to us his history with the Society and the St. John's group, etc.  As I recall, he said he didn't like what was going on at St. John's and left.  I wish I had paid more attention but my mind was centered on how utterly deplorable it is these days that a good priest like Fr. Roberts should have to endure so many difficulties just to be a good Catholic priest. 

I am suspicious of ALL priests as I've had some things happen to me in dealing with some that are too shocking to write here so I don't automatically place ANY priest on a pedestal just because he's a priest.  I learned to not do that the hard way.  I've watched Fr. Roberts for months just waiting for something shocking or unpleasant to happen and the more I get to know him, the more I admire him. 

Let me say this:  I've had cancer recently.  I'm still in the time period when it is most likely to return.  Should that happen, I hope and pray Fr. Roberts will be my priest when I'm on my deathbed.  I want HIM to prepare me to be judged by God.  I mean this sincerely.  I don't know what higher recommendation I can give a priest.

(Quote by nipr)   


 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Raphaela on December 22, 2017, 01:23:24 PM
I remember reading Fr Roberts' own account of the matter on Angelqueen c.2012, when these accusations were made then. He said the 'incriminating' letter at the seminary was a suggestion that he and the other seminarian have a spiritual correspondence (like St Therese and the missionary priest she wrote to) and which was allowed in pre-VII monasteries with the permission of superiors). But the priests at Christ the King hadn't heard of this and jumped to the wrong conclusion. He later helped the excellent Fr Peter Scott for a year, then Bishop Williamson went into the whole matter before ordaining him.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: happenby on December 22, 2017, 01:35:27 PM
Fr Roberts was booted out of Jacksonville in August of this year. Another diocese rejected him after that. At least three other priests and two bishops warn against him: Fr Perez, Fr Sretenovic, Fr Munkelt, +Fellay, and +Martino.  Certainly, this list is not exhaustive and the laity also have many complaints against him. Impressions are only impressions and can be mistaken. While there are no photos of said crimes and no convictions as Fr Pfeiffer and Hewko apparently need to convince them something is amiss, for the rest of us it's better to be safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Raphaela on December 22, 2017, 01:41:35 PM
So you condemn a priest because of something you've read on the internet. Have you heard of infighting between Novus Ordo, SSPX, sedes, xSSPX, Resistance, Pfeifferites, etc.?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Smedley Butler on December 22, 2017, 01:49:35 PM
So you condemn a priest because of something you've read on the internet. Have you heard of infighting between Novus Ordo, SSPX, sedes, xSSPX, Resistance, Pfeifferites, etc.?
Not because of the internet.
He's condemned by the court depositions.
He's condemned by the three warnings from Scranton & Pittsburgh dioceses.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: happenby on December 22, 2017, 01:50:43 PM
No ma'am. I've condemned no one. I actually contacted people I listed above, and others. I have a myriad of sources beyond the internet, some first hand accounts. Now, either all the people I've contacted are telling the exact same lie, about the exact same guy, or something is amiss.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 22, 2017, 09:53:39 PM
I remember reading Fr Roberts' own account of the matter on Angelqueen c.2012, when these accusations were made then. He said the 'incriminating' letter at the seminary was a suggestion that he and the other seminarian have a spiritual correspondence (like St Therese and the missionary priest she wrote to) and which was allowed in pre-VII monasteries with the permission of superiors). But the priests at Christ the King hadn't heard of this and jumped to the wrong conclusion. He later helped the excellent Fr Peter Scott for a year, then Bishop Williamson went into the whole matter before ordaining him.
Why doesn't fr. Pfeiffer call fr. Perez and get to the bottom of It?  Fr. Perez read the letter. fr. Pfeiffer did not.   Fr. Perez was there.  Fr. Pfeiffer was not.  Instead he attacks fr. Perez in a public letter written to Mr. John pfeiffer.

Anyone associated with the SSJ for any length of time, especially with a problematic past, is a priest to stay away from.  And it certainly is a priest who should NOT be at a seminary.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: klasG4e on December 22, 2017, 10:10:54 PM
Why doesn't fr. Pfeiffer call fr. Perez and get to the bottom of It?  Fr. Perez read the letter. fr. Pfeiffer did not.   Fr. Perez was there.  Fr. Pfeiffer was not.  Instead he attacks fr. Perez in a public letter written to Mr. John pfeiffer.

Anyone associated with the SSJ for any length of time, especially with a problematic past, is a priest to stay away from.  And it certainly is a priest who should NOT be at a seminary.

Could you please help out by providing a link for that public letter from Fr. Pfeiffer to Mr. John Pfeiffer?  BTW, is there any relation between those two Pfeiffers that you know of or is it just some sort of coincidence of the same names?  Also, do you know of any public response that Mr. Pfeiffer has given and if so where that may be found?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 23, 2017, 07:51:09 AM
Could you please help out by providing a link for that public letter from Fr. Pfeiffer to Mr. John Pfeiffer?  BTW, is there any relation between those two Pfeiffers that you know of or is it just some sort of coincidence of the same names?  Also, do you know of any public response that Mr. Pfeiffer has given and if so where that may be found?
Mr. Pfeiffer wrote a personal letter to coordinators warning them about fr. Roberts, as I understand.  Fr. Pfeiffer responded with a public letter to Mr. Pfeiffer.  Fr. Hewko followed with the same.  The priest letters have been removed online as his supporting websites, that I have seen, have gone strangely quiet.  Cor-maraie even went to far as to ban any discussion on fr. Roberts.
There is no relation to the pfeiffers, that I know of.
I do not know of a further reply by Mr. Pfeiffer.
Transparency brings peace.
By their fruits you will know them.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: richard on December 23, 2017, 08:21:56 AM
Fr Roberts was booted out of Jacksonville in August of this year. Another diocese rejected him after that. 

Could you please state which diocese rejected him?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Smedley Butler on December 23, 2017, 10:24:01 AM
Fr Roberts was booted out of Jacksonville in August of this year. Another diocese rejected him after that.

Could you please state which diocese rejected him?
He was rejected by the Resistance Mass coordinators in Ireland and specifically by Fr. Ballini and Fr. MacDonald.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: richard on December 23, 2017, 01:30:59 PM
I thought he was rejected by a diocese, how do you know it was the Irish resistance? I'm not trying start an argument I just need information.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: happenby on December 23, 2017, 03:06:36 PM
I thought he was rejected by a diocese, how do you know it was the Irish resistance? I'm not trying start an argument I just need information.
My fault, Richard. It was a resistance chapel, not an archdiocese that recently rejected him. And yes, I also heard it was in Ireland although the source did not want to be named. You can contact one of the two protests mentioned for more information.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: richard on December 23, 2017, 03:11:23 PM
Ok thank you.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on December 23, 2017, 07:22:33 PM
 
richard,

Fr. Roberts was rejected by Rome previous to the time the SSPX was expected to sign the agreement (2012). An SSPX priest (Rostand?) wrote to Rome regarding Fr. Roberts coming with the SSPX. The letter from Rome rejecting Fr. Roberts was made public and posted on I.A. The name of the priest writing the letter and the priest involved were blacked out but Fr. Roberts posted an admission on I.A. that he was the priest mentioned in the letter. IMO, that is why Fr. Rostand didn't sign the papers for the Jacksonville chapel to be turned over to the SSPX. That would have been Fr. Robert's ticket to Rome. When Rome rejected him, he became part of the resistance.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: richard on December 23, 2017, 07:24:38 PM
Alright, got it.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 23, 2017, 07:42:09 PM
Could you please help out by providing a link for that public letter from Fr. Pfeiffer to Mr. John Pfeiffer?  BTW, is there any relation between those two Pfeiffers that you know of or is it just some sort of coincidence of the same names?  
Can't provide the link.  Sounds more like fr. Pfeiffers henchman than a priest.... So many errors, don't know where to begin to dissect it.


December 15, 2017
Dear Mr. John Pfeiffer,

Your statement that Fr. Roberts is a “sodomy-predator-priest” is wholly false, unsubstantiated and most grave calumny. According to the Law of the Old Testament you should receive the same punishment as you’re falsely accused victim.  “And they rose up against the two elders —for Daniel had convicted them of False Witness by their own mouth—and they did to them as they had maliciously dealt against their neighbor, to fulfill the law of Moses : and they put them to death, and innocent blood was saved in that day.” (Daniel 13:61-62)

I have known Fr. Roberts for 29 years, was a classmate of his and been in contact during the periods in question. I have investigated his case on 4 different occasions, using all means available to me at the times in question. I have a lead investigator investigating his case (again) at this time. Whatever first hand, immediate testimonies of real sin or crime you have, put them forward immediately.  The testimonies must present real hard evidence of true Crime or Public Sin. Present it to Pablo at
marcosandolini333@yahoo.com



As a priest of God and Father of your soul I am obliged before God to inform you and the public that you are obliged to retract all imprecise and false allegations as well as the insinuations, innuendos, vagueries presented in your criminal letter which you presented as a Lawyer from “Pfeiffer and Associates” thus giving to the public a sense of greater authority.

Here follows a small sampling of the egregious falsehoods and errors in your letter:

Example 1: “I talked with the then vice-rector of the seminary, Patrick Perez, who expelled him.” And “the SSPX had the poor judgment to later ordain him (and also other sodomite predators around the same time) and Roberts eventually co-founded the Society of St. John with two other former-SSPX-predator priests.”

1.   Fr. Roberts left Gricigliano in January 1993.  Rev. Mr. Patrick Perez was a deacon seminarian at the time. He was ordained a priest later in 1993 and by 1994 or 95 was also “sent home” by Mgr. Wach the Superior General of the Institute of Christ the King.  Is it customary for seminarians to 1st become vice-rector of seminary in which dwell 5 priests one of whom was the Superior General of the Order and another the Rector of the Seminary? Do you know how a seminarian deacon could expell a fellow seminarian overuling the authority of the Rector and Superior General? In 1993 I was a seminarian as well in Winona , given permission by my superiors to keep in communication with Fr. Roberts to try to win him back to the SSPX. Did Fr. Perez really tell you that he expelled Fr. Roberts? or did you have a lapse of memory?

- I spoke with Seminarian Roberts by phone and then saw him face to face after he was “sent home” still in cassock as seminarian. He was indeed “sent home” but not expelled. Fr. Roberts was first to return to Gricigliano then to Gabon instead, still as an Institute seminarian, by command of Mgr. Wach. I had long arguments with Fr. Roberts about the excommunications of 88, the Church in crisis, his situation, etc. I argued against his continuing on as an Indult seminarian. He finally agreed that the SSPX was indeed right and after meeting for further investigation with Fr. Peter Scott (USA District Superior at the time) he spent one year in Kansas City and thence to Winona . I told you these things by telephone 5 years ago. You must have had a lapse of memory.

2. - Who were the “Sodomite-Predator” priests ordained by SSPX in the 1990’s and what proof have you of their predatory behavior? Who were the victims? Provide, names, court cases, convictions in SSPX chapels they served. If you knew about “Sodomite-Predator” behavior at the time, then provide your complaints and testimonies given to SSPX superiors and legal authorities in such matters of grave crime and misconduct. If you did not file complaints at that time please provide the excuse for your criminal negligence.  Do you even know the names of the priests and their Chapel assignments, much less their grave misdemeanors? I was ordained an SSPX priest in the 1990s and functioned in the entire ‘90s in SSPX USA apostolate, with good contact with almost all USA priests at the time and heard nothing of SSPX Predator priests at the time.

3- You quote Randy Engel as a source, who is herself enveloped in much controversy over many allegations made in her over 1000 page book. Her chapter on Society of St. John is full of evil assumptions and accusations without proof. For example she claims that young men having alcohol and tobacco is proof of  “ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ grooming.” Maybe that’s why they serve Root Beer and e-cigarettes at bars where so-called straight couples often meet? She quotes multiple boys who admitted to irregular sleeping arrangements with Fr. Urrutigoity and yet denied any ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ conduct as proof of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ conduct. Their denial of wrong-doing of one priest she takes as proof of a ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ ring involving all members of the order to which he belonged?  This is absurd. She mentions multiple times in her condemnatory report on SSJ that the police found insufficient evidence, the diocese found insufficient evidence. . . ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity was not the reason for suppression of SSJ etc. Her work is self condemnatory. Anyone with a grammar school education should have been able to see through it.

4. -  Concerning Fr. Roberts in her book she points out that he had an irregular sleeping arrangement at some point on SSJ property in Shoholo, proving he was complicit by at least silence with almost daily ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity in Scranton which the students, priests, police etc. claimed didn’t happen anyway, Google map shot included. You wrote a letter to me once telling me that you believed in the flat earth, perhaps on that map you can show the identity of these two locations.

5. You spoke falsely concerning your private conversation with Fr. Hewko which you made public for him as a public statement on his behalf, both contrary to what he said and to his desires. Did you secretly get yourself hired as his lawyer also against his will, since you signed your letter now flying through cyberspace with your “Pfeiffer and Associates” signature, etc.

6. There are too many other points in your letter and accusations contrary to what is right and just to be enumerated here any further. See attached some docuмents from theDiocese, police clearances etc.
Thank you for graciously including a link to one of my sermons in your email so that the catechetical truth in it can be spread abroad for the edification of souls. This at least was thoughtful of you.

Finally, concerning your three demands to ensure that:

 “1. Roberts is immediately expelled; 2. Fr. Pfeiffer apologizes for that sermon and commits to never speaking that way again and; 3) that Fr. Pfeiffer’s sermon and all of Robert’s sermons in Boston be permanently pulled off the internet.” An initial response: 1.) There is no layman named Roberts at Our Lady of Mt. Carmel to expel. The superior here does not obey the commands of laymen such as yourself, since this is against Divine Law. 2.) No, and 3)  please address your demand to the owner of the websites in which they are found, and to the international legal body that controls the worldwide web throughout the world. As you know already, I don’t have, own or control any website at all.

To repeat what was stated above, as a priest of God and father of your soul, I am obliged before God to inform you and the public that you are obliged to retract all imprecise and false allegations as well as the insinuations, innuendos, and vagueries presented in your criminal letter which you presented as a Lawyer from “Pfeiffer and Associates” thus giving to the public a sense of greater Authority and causing most grave scandal and harm to souls.

Before God, in order save your soul from eternal peril you are obliged to retract publicly, as well as privately completely and without any excuse before you go to Judgement in front of the Divine Trbunal. You must also make reparation and penance for those souls unknown to you but known to the Good God who may because of your most pernicious bringing forward these well worn lies yet again, may abstain from, leave or not approach the priests of God for the life giving Sacraments and Faith of all times. “Woe to him through whom scandals come It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea,.” (Luke 17:2) The sea in question is made of fire and burns forever,

In Christ,

Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 23, 2017, 07:50:36 PM
Fr. Hewkos reply to Mr. Pfeiffer below.  Fr. Hewko forget a that, among other things, a treatise is not for children, not to be read from the pulpit, and the pope recanted his approval of it.  Fr. Hewko also forgets that "woe to he who scandalizes even one of My little ones..."  how many children did fr. Pfeiffer scandalize from his sermon?

It IS evil for fr. Roberts to be in MY.  The old fr. Hewko would know this...


Dear John Pfeiffer,

Since our long phone conversation on Sunday, December 10, 2017, many more facts have come to light.  I thought the conversation was confidential since you appealed to me as a father, sought advice and repeatedly insisted that I accuse Fr. Pfeiffer of committing mortal sin for preaching the sermon against sins of impurity.

Since you chose to make it public, you oblige me to make some clarifications. First, the letter misrepresents my statements as taking lightly the matter regarding Fr. Roberts, when my laughter was rather in surprise at your  reaction to Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon as being a mortal sin for him to have preached. I refer you to St. Peter Damian's treatise "The Book of Gommorah" which is far more graphic than anything Fr. Pfeiffer ever said. It has the approbation of Pope Leo IX as well. 

Second, you quoted me as stating "it is evil for Fr. Roberts to be here in Boston, KY." This is false, the statement is a lie, I did not make that statement. This is why it is preferable to publicize what is written, with approval, rather than confidential conversations on the phone.

Let it be clear that I concur with the initial investigation of the lead investigator and also the statements of the Reverend Father Joseph Pfeiffer. I hope your good will prevails having been presented with the truth in defense of Fr. Roberts, in addition to the character reference from Fr. Pfeiffer and myself.

May the truth and charity of Christ prevail, united in the Holy Faith that is the victory over the world!

In Christ the King, Fr. David Hewko
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 23, 2017, 07:55:59 PM
Pablo had to get in the fray...
Too stupid for comment.


Dear Mr. Cline, et.al.,

Please review the initial results of what will be an in depth investigation of Attorney

John Pfeiffer of Pfeiffer & Associates Law public accusations against Reverend Father Marshall Roberts.

There have not been discovered any out of court settlements, plea deals, or Nolo contendere pleadings attached to Reverend Father Marshall Roberts anywhere.

Please inform me, the Lead Investigator at this address of anyone claiming knowledge, or evidence of any criminal actions by Reverend Father Marshall Roberts.They will be dealt with appropriately/accordingly.

This is the initial demand letter sent to his law firm:

Our Lady of Mount Carmel categorically denies each and every statement you have made and publicly disseminated in the hereto attached docuмent.
 
We demand an immediate retraction (publicly) and apology to all parties of interests regarding the hereto attached docuмent.

Further, we demand you provide hard evidence for each allegation you hearsay within the attached hereto docuмent. Docuмentation or lack thereof will be presented before the Court.

We demand you hand over the list of Faithful that you sent the hereto attached docuмent.

We demand you stop communicating with Resistance Coordinators.

We demand you immediately comply with our initial request.

Within 10 days of your receipt of this communication we are not satisfied with your compliance/behavior, I, pablotheMexican, Chief in Charge The Resistance World-wide Jurisdiction will have this cause brought before the Court.

In conclusion, a Complaint will be filed at the Bar for your unethical behavior.

May you hear our battle cry as you burn in Hell for especially making these statements during Feast Days of Nuestra Senora: 

¡Ave María Purísima!

¡Viva Cristo Rey!

*
There is no basis for allegations against Reverend Father Marshall Roberts.

pablotheMexican, 
Lead Investigator
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 23, 2017, 07:57:10 PM
I have only one thing to say about all three letters:
Thank you, Mr. Pfeiffer!  God bless you!
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 23, 2017, 11:24:09 PM
I, pablotheMexican, Chief in Charge The Resistance World-wide Jurisdiction
 

pablotheMexican,
Lead Investigator

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.............. ?! ................
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Perhaps someone should inform Pablo it's illegal to practice law without a license.
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On the other hand, it might not make any impression on him.
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Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: chrstnoel1 on December 23, 2017, 11:33:01 PM
Pablo had to get in the fray...
Too stupid for comment.


Dear Mr. Cline, et.al.,

Please review the initial results of what will be an in depth investigation of Attorney

John Pfeiffer of Pfeiffer & Associates Law public accusations against Reverend Father Marshall Roberts.

There have not been discovered any out of court settlements, plea deals, or Nolo contendere pleadings attached to Reverend Father Marshall Roberts anywhere.

Please inform me, the Lead Investigator at this address of anyone claiming knowledge, or evidence of any criminal actions by Reverend Father Marshall Roberts.They will be dealt with appropriately/accordingly.

This is the initial demand letter sent to his law firm:

Our Lady of Mount Carmel categorically denies each and every statement you have made and publicly disseminated in the hereto attached docuмent.
 
We demand an immediate retraction (publicly) and apology to all parties of interests regarding the hereto attached docuмent.

Further, we demand you provide hard evidence for each allegation you hearsay within the attached hereto docuмent. Docuмentation or lack thereof will be presented before the Court.

We demand you hand over the list of Faithful that you sent the hereto attached docuмent.

We demand you stop communicating with Resistance Coordinators.

We demand you immediately comply with our initial request.

Within 10 days of your receipt of this communication we are not satisfied with your compliance/behavior, I, pablotheMexican, Chief in Charge The Resistance World-wide Jurisdiction will have this cause brought before the Court.

In conclusion, a Complaint will be filed at the Bar for your unethical behavior.

May you hear our battle cry as you burn in Hell for especially making these statements during Feast Days of Nuestra Senora:

¡Ave María Purísima!

¡Viva Cristo Rey!

*
There is no basis for allegations against Reverend Father Marshall Roberts.

pablotheMexican,
Lead Investigator
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:     :jester:
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: JmJ2cents on December 24, 2017, 12:13:54 AM
Fr. Hewkos reply to Mr. Pfeiffer below.  Fr. Hewko forget a that, among other things, a treatise is not for children, not to be read from the pulpit, and the pope recanted his approval of it.  Fr. Hewko also forgets that "woe to he who scandalizes even one of My little ones..."  how many children did fr. Pfeiffer scandalize from his sermon?

It IS evil for fr. Roberts to be in MY.  The old fr. Hewko would know this...


Dear John Pfeiffer,

Since our long phone conversation on Sunday, December 10, 2017, many more facts have come to light.  I thought the conversation was confidential since you appealed to me as a father, sought advice and repeatedly insisted that I accuse Fr. Pfeiffer of committing mortal sin for preaching the sermon against sins of impurity.

Since you chose to make it public, you oblige me to make some clarifications. First, the letter misrepresents my statements as taking lightly the matter regarding Fr. Roberts, when my laughter was rather in surprise at your  reaction to Fr. Pfeiffer's sermon as being a mortal sin for him to have preached. I refer you to St. Peter Damian's treatise "The Book of Gommorah" which is far more graphic than anything Fr. Pfeiffer ever said. It has the approbation of Pope Leo IX as well.

Second, you quoted me as stating "it is evil for Fr. Roberts to be here in Boston, KY." This is false, the statement is a lie, I did not make that statement. This is why it is preferable to publicize what is written, with approval, rather than confidential conversations on the phone.

Let it be clear that I concur with the initial investigation of the lead investigator and also the statements of the Reverend Father Joseph Pfeiffer. I hope your good will prevails having been presented with the truth in defense of Fr. Roberts, in addition to the character reference from Fr. Pfeiffer and myself.

May the truth and charity of Christ prevail, united in the Holy Faith that is the victory over the world!

In Christ the King, Fr. David Hewko
What does OLMC practice about publicizing private conversations?  If I recall didn't Fr. Pfieffer let everyone hear the private conversation he had with +BW on the phone soon after he had left the SSPX?  I believe he played it for everyone to hear in England and on the internet at one of their "Resistance" conferences.  Honestly, I can hardly believe my eyes when I read that Fr. Hewko is justifying Fr. Pfieffers crude sermon on the sins of impurity.  I just can't believe he approves.  What is going on here.   :confused:
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Smedley Butler on December 24, 2017, 12:42:35 PM
Letter is real, Fr. Hewko is lost.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Matthew on December 24, 2017, 01:57:14 PM
Pablo is a clown, a joke, as is the rest of that operation.


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I, pablotheMexican, Chief in Charge The Resistance World-wide Jurisdiction will have this cause brought before the Court.

Worldwide jurisdiction eh? So they are the Church now? No, but they do have their own sect, the Church of Pfeiffer est.2014

Seriously, it's almost difficult to ridicule someone who goes out of his way to be over-the-top and even ridiculous.

Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 24, 2017, 04:22:22 PM
Where ya been, Matthew?
They've been saying they're the last vestige of the Catholic Church for years.  


They are their own worst enemy.


I wonder if they have taken out an ad:
"Ex-SSJ members welcome.  Please apply within."
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 24, 2017, 04:25:06 PM
Honestly, I can hardly believe my eyes when I read that Fr. Hewko is justifying Fr. Pfieffers crude sermon on the sins of impurity.  I just can't believe he approves.  What is going on here.   :confused:
Fr. Hewko has been in a barrel with a bad apply too long.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Neil Obstat on December 24, 2017, 07:06:31 PM
Fr. Hewko has been in a barrel with a bad apply too long.
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What's a bad apply? Something to do with "Please apply within"?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on December 24, 2017, 08:27:15 PM
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What's a bad apply? Something to do with "Please apply within"?
Sorry.  
"Bad apple"....
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Smedley Butler on January 09, 2018, 03:27:48 PM
http://thecatacombs.org/thread/189/exoneration-rev-fr-marshall-roberts

New board from Pfeifferland, spreading an "exoneration" of Fr. Roberts without bothering to make a single phone call to verify anything about him.

It says a lot that Fr. Chazal and Fr. Ortiz disinvited him from the May Consecration because he had acted out again.

Then he loses his post in FL for acting out and getting caught.

Randy Engel was right: homo/pedos are not rehabilitatable. She says 100% recidivism. 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on January 09, 2018, 04:19:53 PM
http://thecatacombs.org/thread/189/exoneration-rev-fr-marshall-roberts

New board from Pfeifferland, spreading an "exoneration" of Fr. Roberts without bothering to make a single phone call to verify anything about him.

It says a lot that Fr. Chazal and Fr. Ortiz disinvited him from the May Consecration because he had acted out again.

Then he loses his post in FL for acting out and getting caught.

Randy Engel was right: homo/pedos are not rehabilitatable. She says 100% recidivism.
Homos/pedos tend to flock together, too.  

The end justifies the means in fr. Pfeiffers mind, 100%.

It says he called fr. Perez, but I don't buy it.  Fr. Perez doesn't talk that way.  He speaks very clearly.

It also says a lot about the other websites that have supported him.  Perhaps they are not supporting him anymore and he needs his own that Mr. Hernandez can control completely?  Boycotting it seems the best course of action.

He had to have known the heat he would draw from such a choice.  Perhaps that's why he planned fr. Roberts, fr. Cordaro and Moran for a priests conference, so he would only have to deal with heat once?

Has he reached the bottom of barrel that the only religious left who may be willing to help him are perverts?  

It begs the question, why does fr. Pfeiffer need help?

Is it because he's gone from Friday to Monday trying to get donations and someone has to teach?  

How can he run a seminary if he's only there 3 days a week?  Putting a lay man in charge of a seminary seems wrong.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Smedley Butler on January 09, 2018, 04:22:56 PM
I see on that board Greg Taylor has published a Jan. 4th letter to Fr. Ortiz to make an oblique defense of Frs. Pfeiffer & Hewko.

Shouldn't the presence of  Fr. Roberts and Cordaro in Pfeifferland create a real conundrum for Greg Taylor? 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on January 09, 2018, 05:13:59 PM
I see on that board Greg Taylor has published a Jan. 4th letter to Fr. Ortiz to make an oblique defense of Frs. Pfeiffer & Hewko.

Shouldn't the presence of  Fr. Roberts and Cordaro in Pfeifferland create a real conundrum for Greg Taylor?
It should... surprised it doesn't?

Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on January 09, 2018, 06:29:31 PM
I see on that board Greg Taylor has published a Jan. 4th letter to Fr. Ortiz to make an oblique defense of Frs. Pfeiffer & Hewko.

Shouldn't the presence of  Fr. Roberts and Cordaro in Pfeifferland create a real conundrum for Greg Taylor?
In that letter Mr Taylor states, "...[fr. Pfeiffer and fr. Hewko] would never knowingly have anything to do with schismatic or heretical false religions, except to convert them..."  (regarding moran).  Taylor goes on to claim a non-existent association between fr. Hewko, Pfeiffer and moran.

 Is this true?  No.  Even after fr. Pfeiffer said he will have nothing to do with Moran, he planned for the ordination of fr. Mbadugha and a priests' conference at OLMC with moran.  

Providentially, Fr. Mbadugha left before the ordination took place and the priests conference was cancelled when the Fr. Roberts scandal blew up.
 
 I hope and pray Fr. Ortiz DOES write an open letter, as Mr. Taylor demands, reaffirming his warning about attending masses from OLMC priests, especially in light of the fact that OLMC is not only associated with Moran but that they are working and associating with perverts and laicised priests (Roberts, cordaro and tetherow).
 
 All those who now support OLMC should be ashamed of themselves. 
 
 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Ladislaus on January 09, 2018, 08:10:13 PM
Letter is real, Fr. Hewko is lost.

Not sure what happened to him, but he's always been a very passive individual (I knew him at seminary).  I could easily see him falling under the sway of a cult leader like Fr. Pfeiffer.  Father Hewko has a good heart, but he's a bit native; he once looked deeply scandalized when I mentioned in passing, "Well, St. Thomas [Aquinas] isn't infallible."
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: PG on January 09, 2018, 08:25:58 PM
Randy Engel was right: homo/pedos are not rehabilitatable. She says 100% recidivism.
Is Randy referring to particularly homo and pedo priests, or all homos and pedos in general?  If they remain in active ministry, I would agree.  But, many re/converted catholic ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs have apparently rid themselves of such vices with prayer/penance.  
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on January 09, 2018, 08:31:58 PM
Not sure what happened to him, but he's always been a very passive individual (I knew him at seminary).  I could easily see him falling under the sway of a cult leader like Fr. Pfeiffer.  Father Hewko has a good heart, but he's a bit naive; he once looked deeply scandalized when I mentioned in passing, "Well, St. Thomas [Aquinas] isn't infallible."
You are right.  I feel for him and keep him in my daily prayers. 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on January 09, 2018, 11:42:01 PM
http://thecatacombs.org/thread/189/exoneration-rev-fr-marshall-roberts

New board from Pfeifferland, 
That website seems to be set up by the KS supporters of OLMC to be the USA version of the Australian cor-maraie and the England Recusant.
Shouldn't be surprised if it says the same stuff as the other two and doesn't allow hard data, just like the other two. 
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on January 09, 2018, 11:52:39 PM
Everything is backward for OLMC.

Scandal is good, just insist it's there because someone is against tradition.

Tradition is bad, if it isn't OLMC. 

Say you're an SSPX priest even though you've been booted out. 

Run a seminary without classes. 

Have the students teach. 

Never listen to any bishop. Etc...

:confused:
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Neil Obstat on January 10, 2018, 12:03:09 AM
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Say you're an SSPX priest even though you've been booted out. 
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When was Fr. Hewko booted out?
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on January 10, 2018, 03:05:21 AM
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When was Fr. Hewko booted out?
Seriously?
Where have you been?
It happened around 2014.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Fanny on January 22, 2018, 07:33:25 AM
Now I know why Catholic candle went silent on the topic of fr. Roberts.

Their list of priests, from 2015, says "caution".

http://docplayer.net/45590928-Catholic-candle-s-list-of-priests-those-who-claim-to-be-priests.html


This is an excellent list to start with.
Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on January 22, 2018, 11:37:04 AM
From the link above:

P.61
Since his coming to York, PA, Fr. Samuel Waters has been conditionally re ordained by +Williamson with four witnesses present, my husband and myself included.



Title: Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
Post by: Maria Auxiliadora on January 22, 2018, 01:43:53 PM
From the link above:

P.61
Since his coming to York, PA, Fr. Samuel Waters has been conditionally re ordained by +Williamson with four witnesses present, my husband and myself included.
Letters were meant to be the same size. :facepalm: