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Offline Veritas Unum

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Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
« Reply #30 on: December 17, 2017, 12:46:30 PM »
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  • It looks as though Fr Pfeiffer has removed his long letter defending Fr Roberts. Has he had second thoughts? Is the Kool Aid wearing off? What a sad, desperate cult they have become. Like the SSPX they should just crawl away and wind up operations which will ultimately cause less harm and heart ache.
    No, he is not having second thoughts. In fact, he has dug in his heels in support of Fr. Roberts. They removed the open letter because I posted a victim's affidavit showing guilt as proof.
    My presence in this venue is not an endorsement of the 8 bishops nor any particular priest. I reserve the right to my own mind and opinions, free from the thought police in the SSPX/Resistance/Sedevacantism.


    Offline Merry

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #31 on: December 17, 2017, 03:22:10 PM »
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  • If Fr. Pfeiffer, et al, feel that there is some prophecy to be fulfilled regarding his becoming a bishop, or a prophecy that the OLMC location is to be a singular location upon which the Church will center and depend in order to rise from the ashes, THE "saving spot" of the Church - well, this may explain why he hangs in there NO MATTER WHAT, why he grasps at outrageous opportunities or accepts whoever shows up at the door who he feels can help keep it all going or keep this "vision" alive.

    You've been duped beyond the pale, Fr.  Look about you.  See what you've become - see what you allow and the types of things that you now approve.  You are not what you used to be!  Walk it back before it really is too late.  (Would Fr. Hannifin and Fr. Snyder really approve?  Would they operate as you have?)      
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #32 on: December 17, 2017, 04:15:55 PM »
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  • What has happened to our dear fr. Hewko?
    To any ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ perversion he always used to say, "gross"....
    He's been in a barrel with a bad Apple too long...
    I think Fr. Hewko that we remember is long gone.  Regardless of sermons being on point, he has chosen a barrel of bad apples (I like the way you put that).  Not just that but he has chosen to stay with them.  He's done in my book and just as guilty as Fr. P.  

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #33 on: December 17, 2017, 06:48:49 PM »
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  • I think it's been proven that to guarantee a topic surviving or perduring on CI through thousands of views and hundreds of comments, one need only make it about Fr. Pfeiffer or people associated with Fr. P.  What is this endless fascination with a priest who obviously went off into the weeds several years ago?

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #34 on: December 17, 2017, 06:53:26 PM »
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  • I think it's been proven that to guarantee a topic surviving or perduring on CI through thousands of views and hundreds of comments, one need only make it about Fr. Pfeiffer or people associated with Fr. P.  What is this endless fascination with a priest who obviously went off into the weeds several years ago?
    Because we are fascinated with the failures of men... It is part of our fallen human nature. I am guilty as the rest. 


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #35 on: December 17, 2017, 07:38:58 PM »
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  • Yes - it is a little like looking at an accident happening in slow motion.  But, for me, I hope to maybe say something that Fr. might see and effect a moment of clarity and pause even at this late date.  Speaking in person has not mattered, as has been the case for other people with him as well.  So, charity there - but also charity for the souls who may still wander in there uninformed.  
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #36 on: December 17, 2017, 07:58:02 PM »
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  • It doesn't matter to them. The more you criticize them the more they will claim to be persecuted for the truth. As I said, it is a vicious cycle. Only grace will get him to see the fallacy of his ways. 

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #37 on: December 17, 2017, 08:24:33 PM »
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  • If Fr. Pfeiffer, et al, feel that there is some prophecy to be fulfilled regarding his becoming a bishop, or a prophecy that the OLMC location is to be a singular location upon which the Church will center and depend in order to rise from the ashes, THE "saving spot" of the Church - well, this may explain why he hangs in there NO MATTER WHAT, why he grasps at outrageous opportunities or accepts whoever shows up at the door who he feels can help keep it all going or keep this "vision" alive.

    Do you have some knowledge of their having such prophetic delusions?


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #38 on: December 17, 2017, 08:41:22 PM »
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  • It doesn't matter to them. The more you criticize them the more they will claim to be persecuted for the truth. As I said, it is a vicious cycle. Only grace will get him to see the fallacy of his ways.
    True enough, yes, grace.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #39 on: December 17, 2017, 09:14:31 PM »
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  • Do you have some knowledge of their having such prophetic delusions?
    There are those who have known them through the years who have wondered if such a motivation is what is driving it all - but it remains uncertain since Fr. P. has never stated so.  He only says what he says.  Meanwhile, for many the situation is a puzzle, and heartbreak.
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #40 on: December 17, 2017, 11:03:51 PM »
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  • If Fr. Pfeiffer, et al, feel that there is some prophecy to be fulfilled regarding his becoming a bishop, or a prophecy that the OLMC location is to be a singular location upon which the Church will center and depend in order to rise from the ashes, THE "saving spot" of the Church - well, this may explain why he hangs in there NO MATTER WHAT, why he grasps at outrageous opportunities or accepts whoever shows up at the door who he feels can help keep it all going or keep this "vision" alive.

    Fr. Pfeiffer believes the end justifies the means.  That is all.  


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #41 on: December 18, 2017, 12:19:32 AM »
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  • From Fr. Chazal (he gave me permission to post this online):

    Since I saw it, in 2013, if i recall the year, Fr Pfeiffer flew me to LA, and we met the excellent Attila Sinke Guimaraes, at his home, then we proceeded to Fr Perez.
    He was overclear on Fr Roberts, the letter he caught, and the expulsion.
    Since Fr Pfeiffer knows Fr Perez and his testimony perfectly, he can confront both and know things for himself.
    I do not see how can Fr Perez lie on this. (By the way his "boeuf bourguignon" was memorable).
    I do not understand why Fr Pfeiffer calls witnesses to come forward, since he met one directly. (By the way we asked Fr Perez to get convalidated and abstain from the xspx for Confirmations, and he politely declined. I still trust he will do the right thing one day, and I trust Bishop Zendejas good sense down the line).
    The instability of Fr Roberts, who is constantly changing places, names and shapes is a related problem.
    My best advice to Fr Roberts is to remain out of view and do real penance for ten years or decades at least. He cannot help anyone anymore; let him realize it for his own sake'as well.
    As for Kentucky, they will have to take full damage before they realize, not admit, they made another blunder.
    But more will come, since they are accountable only to themselves, like Bishop Fellay.
    The only good out of this is that only core members of pfeifferism remain, after one and another layer of the onion gets peeled off. We pray God that good families, after their bad experience with Fr Pfeiffer, will not fall into despair and will trust the few good priests that are still offering their help to them in America.
    In Iesu et Maria,
    Francois Chazal+
    Neil Obstat posted this earlier on in this thread:
    Several years ago a friend told me that Fr. Pfeiffer and another priest showed up at his door one day. This was in the Los Angeles area near LAX (about 20 miles west of Fr. Perez's OLHC in Garden Grove, well within his operating range since he has Mass regularly in Northridge at 50 mi. distance). He had no idea who these two priests were until they introduced themselves. They had found this address from a contact list. Until their introduction my friend had never heard of them. He said it was very odd they would not have contacted him in advance of their arrival, since these days you never know who a stranger is and it could be a set-up for some kind of scheme. But they behaved as if this were nothing unusual. It would seem Fr. Pfeiffer could have been making a habit of  A)  dropping in unannounced to homes of non-acquaintances and  B)  making it a point to not contact Fr. Perez. IOW it seems that Fr. Pfeiffer and the other priest (could have been Fr. Chazal or Fr. Hewko?) presumed that the occupants of the house would of course recognize them immediately upon first sight, because of the Internet videos. But that would seem to have been presuming too much.
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    Fr. Perez is on good terms with +W and makes no secret of that. But since Fr. Pfeiffer makes no secret of his differences with +W, it appears that Fr. Pfeiffer might (?) therefore (?) be avoiding contact with Fr. Perez.
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    That's the only thing I can imagine could answer this question, "why doesn't Fr. Pfeiffer get in touch" with Fr. Perez? 
    I mean, if they're going to pop in unannounced at a layman's home why wouldn't they try to pop in unannounced to a fellow priest's home or at least if 20 miles was too far, then bother to try calling him on the phone? Makes no sense.
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    Why would 20 miles be "too far" when L.A. is over 2,000 miles away from KY?
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    Good priests spend a lot of time reading spiritual books and praying. They are frequently interrupted by phone calls.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #42 on: December 18, 2017, 11:22:56 AM »
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  • For those interested, more information on the Fr. Roberts case (affidavits, court docuмents, sworn testimonies, history of the SSJ and related scandal) will be/can be posted here:

    http://flatearthtrads.forumga.net/f2-basket


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #43 on: December 18, 2017, 12:32:25 PM »
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  • I think it's been proven that to guarantee a topic surviving or perduring on CI through thousands of views and hundreds of comments, one need only make it about Fr. Pfeiffer or people associated with Fr. P.  What is this endless fascination with a priest who obviously went off into the weeds several years ago?

    Have you never read a cautionary tale?

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer launched lying propaganda campaign today about Fr. Roberts
    « Reply #44 on: December 18, 2017, 07:09:16 PM »
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  • Deposition of Matthew sellinger regarding the SSJ, including fr. Roberts attached.