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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
« Reply #90 on: December 05, 2017, 09:25:26 PM »
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  • A 13 yr old is a young ADULT.  They are either going through or about to go through puberty.  With hormones and concupiscence.  Now's a good time to start talking about reality.  Theyre gonna talk about with their friends; might as well be proactive.  Our Lady knew about the 'birds and bees' at 15, if not sooner...


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #91 on: December 05, 2017, 10:01:58 PM »
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #92 on: December 06, 2017, 01:55:55 AM »
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  • A 13 yr old is a young ADULT.  They are either going through or about to go through puberty.  With hormones and concupiscence.  Now's a good time to start talking about reality.  They're gonna talk about with their friends; might as well be proactive.  Our Lady knew about the 'birds and bees' at 15, if not sooner...
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    I disagree.
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    Take two saints for example, St. Maria Goretti and Jacinta Marto of Fatima.  I would call the latter "St.," but I don't want to start a flame war.
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    Do you think they were "young adults" and not children? Do you think they knew all about hormones and concupiscence and "realtiy?" Do you think they heard it all from their friends or that their parents were "proactive?"
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    Everyone who knew them testified they were unquestionably virgins, and never spoke a single word of impurity nor ever hinted at having any curiosity or interest in the topic. These were both childhood saints who directed the ENTIRETY of their will toward immediate and total rejection of any slightest inclination toward impurity, or sins of the flesh. They would not have the first thing to do with it, any more than St. Philomena would or the Blessed Virgin Mary herself would have.
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    St. Maria Goretti suffered dozens of knife stabbing wounds from her assailant, Allesandro, who tried very hard to kill her when she firmly refused his impure advances. She was found bleeding to death, and was put on a horse-drawn wagon (which is very bumpy) and taken several miles that way (in agony) to get medical attention. The doctor speaking to her about her wounds heard her repeat that she only wished to forgive Allesandro. Does that sound like an adult with "proactive concupiscence?"
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    My favorite example is the last days of Blessed Jacinta of Fatima. She had the opportunity to die peacefully and soon and was assured of going directly to heaven; or alternatively, to remain for yet a while on earth during which time she would suffer more for the remission of sins and for the Holy Father, who would have much to suffer. She didn't hesitate to choose the latter.
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    Our Lady foretold she would therefore go to Lisbon and endure much pain, and would die alone without any other mortal present, but that Our Lady herself would be there to comfort her. That is exactly what happened. On the way, Dr. Castro Freire diagnosed her with "Purulent pleurisy with fistula, osteitis of the 7th and 8th ribs of the same side." If you don't know what that means, ask a nurse. Purulent is oozing pus. Pleurisy is a very painful infection of the flat cells of the pleura, the lining of the lung cavity. It makes breathing excruciating. Fistula is an open wound the size of a fist. Osteitis is bone infection, very painful, perhaps worse than pleurisy. Under all these conditions she would go into surgery without anesthesia. They didn't have an effective pain solution for her in those days. Yet knowing all this she was not afraid of the operation! She only had one fear.
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    You would never guess what her one fear was, especially if you think that children ought to be proactively informed about sɛҳuąƖ sins.
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    Her one and only fear was that during preparation for surgery, the exposure of her body to the hospital workers might be a near occasion for them to commit a mental sin of impurity in their hearts. Modern perverts will assure you that since there is no victim there is nothing wrong. But the something wrong is in the heart of the one who believes that, because the victim is one's own soul.
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    Now, tell me that anyone knowing about her suffering willingly to OVERCOME in others the sin of entirely subjective impurity and appreciating her sacrifice to the point of willingness to imitate her heroic virtue, could ever bring himself to enjoy the illicit allurement of sinful impurity.
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    St. Maria Goretti died offering her pains to the one who tried to kill her that way, and Blessed Jacinta died never having been accosted but nonetheless willingly offered her pains for the conversion of sinners, the reparation of sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary and for the Holy Father because he would have much to suffer.
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    These are models of virtue whose intentions we are well advised to remember, and strive to pursue ourselves.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #93 on: December 06, 2017, 03:34:32 AM »
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  • Beautiful post, Neil. Thank you!
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #94 on: December 06, 2017, 04:26:55 AM »
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  • Beautiful post, Neil. Thank you!
    This!!
    "But Peter and the apostles answering, said: We ought to obey God, rather than men." - Acts 5:29

    The Highest Principle in the Church: "We are first of all under obedience to God, and only then under obedience to man" - Fr. Hesse


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #95 on: December 06, 2017, 06:27:10 AM »
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  • Fr. Pfeiffer guarantees that you don't fall asleep during his sermons; no girly niceness or incomprehensible abstraction from him; go to the SSPX or any other antique simulation if you want that and know your happy family comfort zones remain intact. I often wonder how children and retarded adults are spared the violence and depravity so illuminated in the bible and can cope with the flesh and blood sacrifice of the Mass, let alone the lurid mechanics of the Crucifiction. Perhaps they grow numb to such things over the years and wait to be free of their parents' and grandparents' 'weird' religion!

    What draws my attention to the sermon is saying how far self-centredness is going today with the aid of new technology and the growth of substitution and simulation to replace or manipulate the natural order. The break-up of nations, communities and families isolates the individual who then desperately and angrily searches for expression and contentment in other ways. I am reminded of the concept of self-actualisation that was in vogue during the last century; there are now new pathways for the development of this theory into the great unknown!  







     

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #96 on: December 06, 2017, 07:01:22 AM »
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  • . Yet knowing all this she was not afraid of the operation! She only had one fear.
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    You would never guess what her one fear was, especially if you think that children ought to be proactively informed about sɛҳuąƖ sins.
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    Her one and only fear was that during preparation for surgery, the exposure of her body to the hospital workers might be a near occasion for them to commit a mental sin of impurity in their hearts. Modern perverts will assure you that since there is no victim there is nothing wrong. But the something wrong is in the heart of the one who believes that, because the victim is one's own soul.
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    Now, tell me that anyone knowing about her suffering willingly to OVERCOME in others the sin of entirely subjective impurity and appreciating her sacrifice to the point of willingness to imitate her heroic virtue, could ever bring himself to enjoy the illicit allurement of sinful impurity.

    I've read quite a lot on Fatima, and have never heard of the above story about Blessed Jacinta. It's possible that it's credible, but it doesn't seem like it. Where did you get this information from? 

    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #97 on: December 06, 2017, 09:16:48 AM »
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  • I don't see how a 13 year-old wouldn't already know of such terms.

    Even if a particular 13-year-old "knew" the terms, to hear them repeatedly used in crude and vulgar ways by a priest during Mass can't exactly be edifying.


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #98 on: December 06, 2017, 09:18:47 AM »
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  • A 13 yr old is a young ADULT.  They are either going through or about to go through puberty.  With hormones and concupiscence.  Now's a good time to start talking about reality.  Theyre gonna talk about with their friends; might as well be proactive.  Our Lady knew about the 'birds and bees' at 15, if not sooner...

    Again, this is not about whether these subjects should be spoken of but about HOW they're spoken of.  These things can be discussed with the appropriate decorum and delicacy.  Some crude, vulgar, borderline maniacal rant is unlikely to benefit souls.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #99 on: December 06, 2017, 09:21:55 AM »
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  • .
    I disagree.
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    Take two saints for example, St. Maria Goretti and Jacinta Marto of Fatima.  I would call the latter "St.," but I don't want to start a flame war.
    .
    Do you think they were "young adults" and not children? Do you think they knew all about hormones and concupiscence and "realtiy?" Do you think they heard it all from their friends or that their parents were "proactive?"
    .
    Everyone who knew them testified they were unquestionably virgins, and never spoke a single word of impurity nor ever hinted at having any curiosity or interest in the topic. These were both childhood saints who directed the ENTIRETY of their will toward immediate and total rejection of any slightest inclination toward impurity, or sins of the flesh. They would not have the first thing to do with it, any more than St. Philomena would or the Blessed Virgin Mary herself would have.
    .
    St. Maria Goretti suffered dozens of knife stabbing wounds from her assailant, Allesandro, who tried very hard to kill her when she firmly refused his impure advances. She was found bleeding to death, and was put on a horse-drawn wagon (which is very bumpy) and taken several miles that way (in agony) to get medical attention. The doctor speaking to her about her wounds heard her repeat that she only wished to forgive Allesandro. Does that sound like an adult with "proactive concupiscence?"
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    My favorite example is the last days of Blessed Jacinta of Fatima. She had the opportunity to die peacefully and soon and was assured of going directly to heaven; or alternatively, to remain for yet a while on earth during which time she would suffer more for the remission of sins and for the Holy Father, who would have much to suffer. She didn't hesitate to choose the latter.
    .
    Our Lady foretold she would therefore go to Lisbon and endure much pain, and would die alone without any other mortal present, but that Our Lady herself would be there to comfort her. That is exactly what happened. On the way, Dr. Castro Freire diagnosed her with "Purulent pleurisy with fistula, osteitis of the 7th and 8th ribs of the same side." If you don't know what that means, ask a nurse. Purulent is oozing pus. Pleurisy is a very painful infection of the flat cells of the pleura, the lining of the lung cavity. It makes breathing excruciating. Fistula is an open wound the size of a fist. Osteitis is bone infection, very painful, perhaps worse than pleurisy. Under all these conditions she would go into surgery without anesthesia. They didn't have an effective pain solution for her in those days. Yet knowing all this she was not afraid of the operation! She only had one fear.
    .
    You would never guess what her one fear was, especially if you think that children ought to be proactively informed about sɛҳuąƖ sins.
    .
    Her one and only fear was that during preparation for surgery, the exposure of her body to the hospital workers might be a near occasion for them to commit a mental sin of impurity in their hearts. Modern perverts will assure you that since there is no victim there is nothing wrong. But the something wrong is in the heart of the one who believes that, because the victim is one's own soul.
    .
    Now, tell me that anyone knowing about her suffering willingly to OVERCOME in others the sin of entirely subjective impurity and appreciating her sacrifice to the point of willingness to imitate her heroic virtue, could ever bring himself to enjoy the illicit allurement of sinful impurity.
    .
    St. Maria Goretti died offering her pains to the one who tried to kill her that way, and Blessed Jacinta died never having been accosted but nonetheless willingly offered her pains for the conversion of sinners, the reparation of sins committed against the Immaculate Heart of Mary and for the Holy Father because he would have much to suffer.
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    These are models of virtue whose intentions we are well advised to remember, and strive to pursue ourselves.
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    These examples of purity would do MUCH MORE to inspire youngsters to avoid these sins than Father Pfeiffer's crude rants.  And at no time did you need to mention the term "masturbation".

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #100 on: December 06, 2017, 09:23:25 AM »
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  • no girly niceness or incomprehensible abstraction from him

    So avoiding crude, disedifying, and vulgar language qualifies as "girly niceness" to you now?


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #101 on: December 06, 2017, 09:24:49 AM »
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  • What draws my attention to the sermon is saying how far self-centredness is going today with the aid of new technology and the growth of substitution and simulation to replace or manipulate the natural order.

    Yes, and this could have been discussed without vulgarity and crudeness.  Again, as Matthew pointed out, just because there were some valid points in the sermon doesn't justify it.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #102 on: December 06, 2017, 09:26:21 AM »
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  • I've read quite a lot on Fatima, and have never heard of the above story about Blessed Jacinta. It's possible that it's credible, but it doesn't seem like it. Where did you get this information from?
    Meg,  I missed this part in Neil's long post.  Thanks for pointing it out.

    This must be an accurate account and inline with Holy Jacinta's warning about the sins of impurity, sending most souls to Hell.

    Let's play it again:

    Yet knowing all this she was not afraid of the operation! She only had one fear. 
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    You would never guess what her one fear was, especially if you think that children ought to be proactively informed about sɛҳuąƖ sins.
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    Her one and only fear was that during preparation for surgery, the exposure of her body to the hospital workers might be a near occasion for them to commit a mental sin of impurity in their hearts. 

    Modern perverts will assure you that since there is no victim there is nothing wrong. But the something wrong is in the heart of the one who believes that, because the victim is one's own soul.
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    Now, tell me that anyone knowing about her suffering willingly to OVERCOME in others the sin of entirely subjective impurity and appreciating her sacrifice to the point of willingness to imitate her heroic virtue, could ever bring himself to enjoy the illicit allurement of sinful impurity.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #103 on: December 06, 2017, 09:28:58 AM »
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    I disagree.
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    Take two saints for example, St. Maria Goretti and Jacinta Marto of Fatima.  I would call the latter "St.," but I don't want to start a flame war.
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    Do you think they were "young adults" and not children? Do you think they knew all about hormones and concupiscence and "realtiy?"
    Nadir,
    Look, your post was wonderful and the above saints were absolutely lovers of purity.  No one should disagree with that.  But it doesn't answer my question - maybe I'm not explaining it correctly?

    You imply that these 2 young women were pure because they were ignorant of concupiscence.  That makes no sense and devalues their purity.  Is a 2 year old "pure" because they are innocent?  No, they are just innocent.  A 2 year old cannot be pure, because the virtue of purity necessisarily requires one to be exposed to, or have temptations against vice.  One cannot have heroic virtue without overcoming the temptations which seek to conquer the virtue. 

    Jacinta was very pure, but she died at 10, so doesn't really fit my example, as she's not an adolescent.  St Maria Goretti certainly had knowledge of what her assailant was doing because she kept yelling to him that "God is not pleased; this is not what God wants."  This is when he went into a rage and started stabbing her.

    I guess my questions are: 
    1.  Why is a realistic, mature, catholic introduction to marriage and reproduction considered by some to be "impure"?  This is a very puritantical and uncatholic outlook on marriage. 
    2.  Why is it assumed that to keep a child "pure" means you keep them ignorant?  This is not logical.
    3.  Why is it assumed that knowledge will lead to impurity? 

    Purity means understanding God's plan for reproduction and understanding the beauty of it and how the fight to keep it special is God's will and is a gift to one's future spouse.  A positive outlook on reproduction is better than avoiding the issue.  Keeping an adolescent ignorant, in my opinion, keeps them with a childlike understanding of reality, when they are fighting adult battles of concupiscence.  Just as attraction to sin is part of our fallen nature, so concupiscense is part of every person's battle to heaven.  One cannot "protect" their adolescent in a bubble and expect that this will somehow make them pure.  On the contrary, it just keeps them ignorant of the beauty of purity and why it's special, in real terms.  Ignorance will not lessen the battle against the flesh, it will only be harder because the battle will be fought to "avoid evil" instead of "protecting good".  And human psychology has proven that it is easier to fight for something good rather than just fight aimlessly against evil. 

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #104 on: December 06, 2017, 09:48:53 AM »
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  • Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? I'll tell you all who's gone mad.  It's at least half of CI forum members. Imagine such a topic of doubtful worth, i.e. worthless, commanding this kind of attention!  You keyboard warriors are moving the number of views closer to 3000 with each passing minute.

    I did not view this video, but can pretty well figure out its contents by piecing together the indignant throw-away remarks from breathless forum members.  My goodness, how disgraceful CI commentary has become.  Matthew should lock the thread immediately.  But he probably won't.  He needs a lot of eyes viewing the ads, and making online purchases, I guess. (BTW, Matthew, if you don't like my remarks, ban me. Obviously, I wouldn't care a damn.)

    As for Fr. P.  The man is a certifiable screwball with his cat's paw Mexican always hovering close at hand.  You ought to be ashamed giving this fallen cleric in the white cassock so much attention.   He apparently highlighted in vulgar detail certain mortal sins of the flesh, but I'm not so certain that some of you who viewed this video atrocity did not yourselves commit mortal sin merely by watching it.

    Of course, the likes of Wessex was eventually be enticed into entering the discussion.  He is irrepressible.


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    Fr. Pfeiffer guarantees that you don't fall asleep during his sermons; no girly niceness or incomprehensible abstraction from him; go to the SSPX or any other antique simulation if you want that and know your happy family comfort zones remain intact. I often wonder how children and retarded adults are spared the violence and depravity so illuminated in the bible and can cope with the flesh and blood sacrifice of the Mass, let alone the lurid mechanics of the Crucifiction. Perhaps they grow numb to such things over the years and wait to be free of their parents' and grandparents' 'weird' religion!

    Well, there you go.  See what your frenzied efforts have unleashed?  Obviously, you folks didn't fall asleep.  You were not treated to "girly niceness," for certain.  And the 'weird' religion of your parents and grandparents received a 'healthy' trashing. Are you proud and happy now?

    I expect and await a number of thumbs-down from resident CI morons.