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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2017, 10:54:04 AM »
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  • Incredulous,
    Please remind him of that the next time he is speaking on nourishing your soul at the Novus Ordo........................ :laugh1:
    Better have him remind Archbishop Lefebvre while you are at it?

    http://sodalitium-pianum.com/pfeifferites-tell-archbishop-lefebvre-to-get-lost/
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #76 on: December 05, 2017, 11:43:53 AM »
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  • I seem to recall that sermons are to be tailored to the congregation.
     
     Maybe there were no children or females at this mass?  (It would be shocking if he would speak this way in front of his mother.)
     
     Which begs the question, what is going on at OLMC?


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #77 on: December 05, 2017, 12:00:40 PM »
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  • Me thinkest you misseth the point?



    I was actually denigrating Paul Hernandez's dark "priesthood".

    Our Lady of Guadalupe, who's Feast-day is upon us, has a different meaning to him: Tonantzin

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    From the linked site (this is INACCURATE):
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    For the past hundred years in the early hours of December 12, traditional Aztec dancers, devout Mexicans, and Indigenous and non-Indigenous peoples all over the Americas rise early to honor Tonantzin, the Holy Mother of Guadalupe. December 12 is her Feast Day. She is known as the Holy Mother of the Americas and combines sacred symbols of the Aztecs with the image of Mother Mary brought by the European settlers. Regardless of her conflicted and ambiguous history, it is without question that the Guadalupana is a revered and adored Divine Mother with reverential followers across many ethnic and national identities.
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    It's been more than "the past 100 years," but then it's been a lot less as well. What was done in 1917 is not what is done today. The linked site "Tonantzin" pretends everything is the same today as it was 100 years ago. That is a LIE.
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    For the first 450 years (1531 - 1981) the December 12th celebrations, beginning in the evening of December 11th, were entirely Catholic and devout, prayerful and venerable. It was only after Vatican II that the Aztec dancers started making their way into the sanctuary in Mexico because of the Vat.II errors of ecuмenism and religious liberty and the inclusion of false religions, and not until Pope John Paul II visited there and gave a face of respectability to indigenous dress, costumes and dances inside the Church did this practice start to spread outside of Mexico. 
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    Guadalupana and mananitas (mah-nyahn-EE-tahs) traditions of December 12th as practiced since the 1950's (speaking from personal experience) until the 1970's were very nice, simple, reverent and peaceful. They were quite a thing to witness firsthand. People would bring flowers all night long in parish churches where this was done, and spontaneous singing would erupt all night while everyone serenaded Our Lady in the person of La Virgen de Guadalupe. Flowers came in abundance until they occupied some 300 square feet in front of the oversize image of La Virgen de Guadalupe. You could easily pray your Rosary all night long in this environment even if you didn't know any Spanish. They sang traditional folk songs in Spanish, the origins of which are a mix of indigenous Mexican folk songs and Spanish missionaries' influence. You could hear the sounds of Seville as well as Guadalajara.
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    That is no longer the case.
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    Today, beginning on the evening of December 11th, parishes where the mananitas are held still remain open all night long while the faithful bring in their bouquets of flowers as they did in the past and there is still singing that erupts from time to time, but what you also have is the electrical cords, loudspeakers, drum sets, microphone stands and assorted band equipment being wheeled in and set up in preparation for the artificial sounds that will soon invade the sacred space of yore. Along with the artificial electronic sounds comes the conch shell honking and dried gourd shaking (profane instruments) with the Aztec dancers who wear the same colorful plumage and costumes that the ancient Aztecs wore when their devil-worshiping priests used razor sharp obsidian knives to cut out the hearts of victims of human sacrifice in the satanic temple pyramids of Teotitlán, Mexico.
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    As the night wears on the noise level gradually increases, and the encroachment of the loudspeakers and shrill voices of Mexican women shouting in them is far too disturbing to keep prayer going anymore. It has become a kind of revelry or circus show. They announce the next song to be sung and it is no longer reverent. What used to be sonorous hymns of love have become drum-pounding, cymbal crashing shouting matches of cacophony. They have taken the traditional songs Catholic Mexicans have sung to Our Lady for centuries and have turned them into pop rock ditties that you can barely recognize. They slam their drumsticks, smack their tambourines and shake their rattles right there in front of the altar. Sometimes someone even jumps up ONTO the altar to dance. They did that during the French Revolution, too. Only difference is, now the so-called altar is pulled out prominently toward the congregation, Novus Ordo style, so it can be something like a center of action around which everyone cavorts.
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    About 4:00 am they have the first so-called Mass, just as they did in centuries past, except it is no longer the Traditional Latin Mass of the first 440 years. Now it is the bastardized Novus Ordo nonsense, the bastardized Novus Ordo which has IMHO invited all the corruption in music and has allowed the inclusion of dance. After all, Novus Ordo rituals commonly include "liturgical dance" which amounts to a floor show.
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    Offline Neil Obstat

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #78 on: December 05, 2017, 12:07:26 PM »
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  • I seem to recall that sermons are to be tailored to the congregation.
     
     Maybe there were no children or females at this mass?  (It would be shocking if he would speak this way in front of his mother.)
     
     Which begs the question, what is going on at OLMC?
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    I was thinking about this while watching the video. You can never tell what age groups are present in the congregation because Paul Hernandez (who always runs the video camera - you can tell because of numerous clues not the least of which is they are posted on his YouTube channel) never points the camera toward the people in the pews. For all we know everyone present in the pews is adult. 
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    The one exception would be the fact that the altar boy seated behind Fr. Pfeiffer couldn't be any older than 14, perhaps as young as 12. 
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    Therefore we can know that at least one of the listeners was a child.
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    Offline Nooseph Polten

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #79 on: December 05, 2017, 12:15:16 PM »
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  • I seem to recall that sermons are to be tailored to the congregation.
     
     Maybe there were no children or females at this mass?  (It would be shocking if he would speak this way in front of his mother.)
     
     Which begs the question, what is going on at OLMC?
    What's the problem with females being there?
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #80 on: December 05, 2017, 12:25:24 PM »
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  • If you have to ask that :facepalm:

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #81 on: December 05, 2017, 12:27:24 PM »
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  • If you have to ask that :facepalm:
    Who are you talking to?
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #82 on: December 05, 2017, 12:32:23 PM »
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  • .
    I was thinking about this while watching the video. You can never tell what age groups are present in the congregation because Paul Hernandez (who always runs the video camera - you can tell because of numerous clues not the least of which is they are posted on his YouTube channel) never points the camera toward the people in the pews. For all we know everyone present in the pews is adult.
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    The one exception would be the fact that the altar boy seated behind Fr. Pfeiffer couldn't be any older than 14, perhaps as young as 12.
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    Therefore we can know that at least one of the listeners was a child.
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    I forgot about the video recorder at olmc, a young girl, not Mr. Hernandez.
    Fr. Pfeiffers female family members attend Sunday mass at OLMC.  Maybe this wasn't a Sunday sermon, or maybe his family decided to go elsewhere.
    Still begs the question, what's going on at OLMC that they need such a sermon?


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #83 on: December 05, 2017, 12:44:07 PM »
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  • Quote from: Pax Vobis on Yesterday at 04:16:52 PM
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    You specifically said "a priest must discern", which implies you think the priest was wrong.  You can't criticize a sermon without criticizing the priest.


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    Matthew said:
    What the literal Hell, man?  You think priests are above criticism? What cult taught you that?  "the Leader is a prophet from God. Going against the Leader is blasphemy..."

    No.  This was a reply to stgobnait who said she was criticizing the sermon but not the priest, which is impossible. 

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #84 on: December 05, 2017, 12:46:20 PM »
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    The one exception would be the fact that the altar boy seated behind Fr. Pfeiffer couldn't be any older than 14, perhaps as young as 12. 
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    Therefore we can know that at least one of the listeners was a child.

    This is off topic, but I don't think a 12-14 year old is a "child".  They are definitely old enough (generally speaking) to grasp such matters.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #85 on: December 05, 2017, 01:18:27 PM »
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #86 on: December 05, 2017, 05:28:55 PM »
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  • This is off topic, but I don't think a 12-14 year old is a "child".  They are definitely old enough (generally speaking) to grasp such matters.
    Not in my home..

    What kind of traditional catholics introduce their innocent 12-14 year olds to such talk?
    What ever happened to childhood innocence, treating females like flowers, and decency in mixed company?
    Are we traditional catholics or not?  Or are we Sunday only Catholics who behave as the rest of the pagan world at all times except when at mass?

    There is something gravely wrong with people who defend this sermon.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #87 on: December 05, 2017, 05:35:02 PM »
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  • Agreed.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #88 on: December 05, 2017, 07:39:30 PM »
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  • Not in my home..

    What kind of traditional catholics introduce their innocent 12-14 year olds to such talk?
    What ever happened to childhood innocence, treating females like flowers, and decency in mixed company?
    Are we traditional catholics or not?  Or are we Sunday only Catholics who behave as the rest of the pagan world at all times except when at mass?

    There is something gravely wrong with people who defend this sermon.
    I don't see how a 13 year-old wouldn't already know of such terms. 
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #89 on: December 05, 2017, 08:39:19 PM »
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  • I don't see how a 13 year-old wouldn't already know of such terms.
    Proper upbringing, that's how.