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Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
« Reply #60 on: December 05, 2017, 07:16:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 04, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
    I actually disagree with that; my observation is that young men in particular who have fallen into sins of impurity, especially of the solitary variety, become more passive and less aggressive.  I think it does something to disrupt the testosterone cycle.  I think that it's been docuмented that this kind of thing messes with various neurotransmitter systems in the brain.

    I could see saying that sins of impurity lead to violence but not that violence is caused by sins of impurity.  Violence can be caused by many things.  If I'm in a bad mood, I can certainly get angry at someone cutting me off in traffic ... and it has precious little to do with purity.  In fact, it's quite well known that generally coupled with concupiscence as a distinct effect of the Fall is irascibility (being prone to anger).
    Actually, everyone has 2 appetites, the concupiscible (wanting to reach out and grab various "goods" -- easily obtained -- for ourselves) and the irascible (seeking goods that are arduous to obtain, or "in the process of walking away" from us).

    Every time you become angry, it's at a PERCEIVED GOOD WALKING AWAY. Whether it's being put further back in the traffic-line (and 10 seconds later for work) because someone cut you off, or upset that you lost money, posiition, honor, etc. it's always about some good that you perceived has been taken away from you.

    Original sin damaged both of those appetites, so that both have become disordered. Since the Fall, men will happily commit sins and grave injustices over a small "slight" against their honor. To achieve some small "good" or make right a small offense, they will perpetrate much graver evils.

    So while both are due to Original Sin, lust is clearly a disease of the Concupiscible appetite, whereas anger is the main output of the Irascible appetite.

    Another interesting note --

    PRUDENCE and FORTITUDE are needed to fix up our Intellect after the damages of Original Sin
    TEMPERANCE rectifies our Concupiscible appetite
    JUSTICE rectifies our Irascible appetite.

    Note that it's not a sin to become angry in itself (as Our Lord was in the Temple) if one is 100% aimed at Justice (the public good, God's honor). But justice must always be kept in mind: "the anger of man worketh not the justice of God". If a guy cuts you off causing you to be 3 seconds later for work, it isn't JUSTICE to ram his car, beat him up, wish evil upon him, rashly judge his good name, etc.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #61 on: December 05, 2017, 07:23:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 04, 2017, 08:21:32 AM
    Yes, he's absolutely lost his marbles.

    [Pfieffer]  Why do you get angry when someone cuts you off in traffic?  Because of masturbation.  That's why.  Why do you get angry when your coffee is cold?  Because of self-abuse.

    He's borderline certifiable.

    Even if one wants to touch upon delicate topics of purit/impurity from the pulpit, one should so so very delicately so that it goes over the heads of the children who are young enough where they shouldn't even hear mention of it.

    I should not go to Mass and come away feeling disgusted.  This sermon was absolutely repugnant.

    Father Pfeiffer seems angry all time too ... and he ties all anger back to self-abuse.

    I agree with this, and your other post which point out that LUST and ANGER are both CAPITAL SINS, which means that you can't reduce them to anything else, except (as you said) a general selfishness or choosing self over God.

    Has his emotion clouded his reason?

    At any rate, he forgets that some men have a CHOLERIC temperament, and thus are more prone to anger. There are some men in this category who actually have very little problem with impurity.  I have personal experience to prove it. Getting cut off in traffic means you are committing self-abuse? Uh, how about no. I am half choleric half melancholic, I have a quick temper, but Deo Gratias impurity is not one of my besetting sins.

    So Fr. Pfeiffer is clearly wrong in this regard. He should stick to preaching Catholic doctrine and morality, and not making up his own material.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #62 on: December 05, 2017, 07:25:02 AM »
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    • P.S. Everyone can stop reporting this thread to me. I've obviously seen it.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #63 on: December 05, 2017, 07:37:25 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 04, 2017, 03:02:20 PM
    This is uncalled for, and you should apologize!  Fr Pfeiffer's personal sins are irrelevant to the discussion.  


    Irrelevant and totally off topic.

    Me thinkest you misseth the point?



    I was actually denigrating Paul Hernandez's dark "priesthood".

    Our Lady of Guadalupe, who's Feast-day is upon us, has a different meaning to him: Tonantzin



    There are multiple eye-witnesses to support the charge.

    And for anyone who knows what goes on at the Pfeiffer farm, Hernandez has his hand in everything... especially Fr. Pfeiffer's apostolate.  

    Therefore, anything coming out of this unruly Catholic priest's mouth is suspect... and should be avoided.

    Fr. Pfeiffer warns the faithful about prostitutes, masturbation, sɛҳuąƖ tension & violence...

    We advise the Cathinfo faithful to stay away from everything coming from the Pfeiffer farm.

    As Bp. Williamson warns, that 1% poison in the New York cheesecake, will eventually kill you.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #64 on: December 05, 2017, 07:49:41 AM »
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    • Fr. Pfieffer once again crossed the line.  Trying to rationalize his behavior is pathetic.  He seems to be the one that has anger issues.  I just can't believe that Fr. Hewko would condone such a sermon.  How could he affiliate himself with someone like him.  He was very much against scandalizing the young ones and always watched his words very diligently.  When he once quoted the Archbishop about the N.O. Mass being a bastard mass, he wouldn't even say bastard, he would say illegitimate.  When he talked about the ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖs he would use words that the children wouldn't get and so on.....    You are who your friends are is what they say and I never thought that would apply to Fr. Hewko.  No one is really shocked that Fr. P would say such things but to sit silently and endorse this by not correcting it?  All this talk about correcting your superiors, well I hope he practices what he preaches.  
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #65 on: December 05, 2017, 07:56:03 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on December 04, 2017, 04:50:21 PM
    I tried to correlate what Fr was saying but could make no logic of it.  How he even made the connections he did?  Cause of road rage...suppressed or nonnsurpressed self stimulation?  Anger due to coffee of the wrong temperature due to sɛҳuąƖ tension?  Man seeking an adrenaline rush from strenuous exercise is also due to lust?? (Now I know he can’t relate to the endorphins released from vigorous excercise).  

    While he does say a few things that make sense, the rest is just a warped rant of thoughts that are illogical and unnecessarily vulgar and offensive.

    THIS ^^^
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #66 on: December 05, 2017, 07:59:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: RoughAshlar on December 04, 2017, 11:41:13 PM
    and generals encouraging sex to make the soldiers more vicious....

    Actually, this is historically false.  Going all the way back to the Ancient Greeks, the thinking was that abstaining from sex increased virility and battle performance.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #67 on: December 05, 2017, 08:00:40 AM »
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    • As for those (committed blindly to defending Fr. Pfeiffer always) who attempt to defend THIS sermon -- 

    Yes, "thank heaven for small favors" that there was a shred of good advice in this overall bad sermon. You could probably find some nucleus of good content in most Novus Ordo sermons today, for that matter.

    It reminds me of an old movie quote, it might have been John Wayne:

    John: "I heard a sermon just yesterday."
    Pious protestant woman: "Oh yes? What was it about."
    John: "Sin, I think. Mostly, he was against it."


    Well I hope so! 

    Just because he throws in 30 seconds of good advice at the end, doesn't mean the rest of the sermon was good. A priest could give an even worse sermon -- with explicit language and props (visual aids), and throw in some good advice and action-items (Rosary, devotion to Our Lady, etc.) at the end -- but that wouldn't excuse such a sermon either. Would it?

    Fr. Pfeiffer uses lip service to Our Lady as a blank check for countless scandalous behavior for himself, his associated priests, and his Boston, KY operation. And some people lap it up!
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #68 on: December 05, 2017, 08:13:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 05, 2017, 07:23:22 AM
    There are some men in this category who actually have very little problem with impurity.  I have personal experience to prove it. Getting cut off in traffic means you are committing self-abuse? Uh, how about no. I am half choleric half melancholic, I have a quick temper, but Deo Gratias impurity is not one of my besetting sins.

    I have a similar mix of choleric and melancholic, probably leaning a little more melancholic.  And, with regard to traffic, when people are always rushing around, the stress of having to be at so many places at different times during the day causes frustration in traffic, and that frustration sometimes leads to anger (I know that I have to fight this myself) ... and it has precious little to do with impurity.  Sometimes the little aggravations, one after another, will more readily elicit an angry response than a single graver or more dramatic incident.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #69 on: December 05, 2017, 08:21:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 04, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
    You specifically said "a priest must discern", which implies you think the priest was wrong.  You can't criticize a sermon without criticizing the priest.
    What the literal Hell, man?  You think priests are above criticism? What cult taught you that?  "the Leader is a prophet from God. Going against the Leader is blasphemy..."

    Go back and learn your Catholic catechism. It would seem that you need to purge all the Pfeiffer cult nonsense from your brain and computer hard drive.

    If that is what you think about criticizing priests, then you should have a problem with Fr. Pfeiffer, who has said (and approved) countless slanderous things (= lies)  about the Resistance bishops, Fr. Voigt, and pretty much anyone not part of their little cult.

    Also, using an a fortiori argument, you should have a real problem with "disobeying" the Pope. Do you think Pope Francis wants you to be attending a Tridentine Mass, much less a Tridentine Mass not approved by Rome? By going against him so strongly you are certainly criticizing him! And we're talking about the one and only Vicar of Christ, not just one of his priests. Better make some changes...

    We are not "nitpicking" when we bring up serious issues about Fr. P's sermon. He had errors in it (see above, the Greeks and everyone else believe that ABSTAINING from sex made better warriors), he confused Lust with Anger (seeming to teach that there is only ONE capital sin: Lust), and his sermon was vulgar and indelicate. Those are all valid points of criticism, made for the public good.

    We're not calling him names, we are attacking the content and delivery of his sermon. Which is perfectly acceptable by CATHOLIC morality standards. Many cults might disagree...

    "Criticize my sermon, you're criticizing me!" what a WOMANLY, emotional attitude. That's like saying I can't disagree with my wife without it being "about her personally". That's emotional, ridiculous nonsense.

    Women make everything personal. Women are into personalities. Men are into facts and reason.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #70 on: December 05, 2017, 08:24:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 05, 2017, 07:59:19 AM
    Actually, this is historically false.  Going all the way back to the Ancient Greeks, the thinking was that abstaining from sex increased virility and battle performance.
    Yes! Exactly!
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #71 on: December 05, 2017, 09:16:09 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on December 05, 2017, 08:00:40 AM
    As for those (committed blindly to defending Fr. Pfeiffer always) who attempt to defend THIS sermon --

    Yes, "thank heaven for small favors" that there was a shred of good advice in this overall bad sermon. You could probably find some nucleus of good content in most Novus Ordo sermons today, for that matter.

    It reminds me of an old movie quote, it might have been John Wayne:

    John: "I heard a sermon just yesterday."
    Pious protestant woman: "Oh yes? What was it about."
    John: "Sin, I think. Mostly, he was against it."


    Well I hope so!

    Just because he throws in 30 seconds of good advice at the end, doesn't mean the rest of the sermon was good. A priest could give an even worse sermon -- with explicit language and props (visual aids), and throw in some good advice and action-items (Rosary, devotion to Our Lady, etc.) at the end -- but that wouldn't excuse such a sermon either. Would it?

    Fr. Pfeiffer uses lip service to Our Lady as a blank check for countless scandalous behavior for himself, his associated priests, and his Boston, KY operation. And some people lap it up!
    "John: "Sin, I think. Mostly, he was against it."

    Heh, I remember that movie. But what the Duke said was that "he was agin' it". 😊
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #72 on: December 05, 2017, 09:27:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: Fanny on December 03, 2017, 11:07:58 PM
    Is this really appropriate from the pulpit?



    9 min mark- 10:15 min mark
    11:45-13
    13:35-14:05
    14:20-15:10
    15:35-15:45

    I could not listen anymore.

    Has he lost his mind?
    "I could not listen anymore".

    Neither could I. This man is a bit of a nutter. He talks about selfishness but I think he should have talked about egocentrism and narcissism with the finger pointing towards himself. 😡

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #73 on: December 05, 2017, 10:02:54 AM »
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    • I had no problem listening to the sermon.  I listen for solutions which take awhile coming or fall short.  We need the Powers of the Precious Blood in sermons.  I would like to say what our sermon was like but I will say this, one day you will wish to hear sermons against the sins of the flesh, for one day you will hear silly things.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #74 on: December 05, 2017, 10:11:58 AM »
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    • Quote from: songbird on December 05, 2017, 10:02:54 AM
    I had no problem listening to the sermon.  I listen for solutions which take awhile coming or fall short.  We need the Powers of the Precious Blood in sermons.  I would like to say what our sermon was like but I will say this, one day you will wish to hear sermons against the sins of the flesh, for
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    What are you saying? What does this mean?

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