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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2017, 01:31:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 04, 2017, 12:54:51 PM
    The subject is a delicate one, and could have been handled/delivered more delicately, for sure.

    Ya think?   :laugh1:
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #31 on: December 04, 2017, 01:37:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 04, 2017, 12:54:51 PM
    Even the points about the coffee and traffic cut-offs are not so out of place as some suggest: The point was not that SA causes you to snap from cold coffee or getting cut-off, but that an habitual practice of SA (or ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖity) makes one a violent person (and therefore more habitually prone to continued acts of violence, such as the two examples he gave).

    I actually disagree with that; my observation is that young men in particular who have fallen into sins of impurity, especially of the solitary variety, become more passive and less aggressive.  I think it does something to disrupt the testosterone cycle.  I think that it's been docuмented that this kind of thing messes with various neurotransmitter systems in the brain.

    I could see saying that sins of impurity lead to violence but not that violence is caused by sins of impurity.  Violence can be caused by many things.  If I'm in a bad mood, I can certainly get angry at someone cutting me off in traffic ... and it has precious little to do with purity.  In fact, it's quite well known that generally coupled with concupiscence as a distinct effect of the Fall is irascibility (being prone to anger).
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #32 on: December 04, 2017, 01:39:17 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 04, 2017, 01:36:44 PM
    I lot of the terms that Fr used would not be known by children.

    You're correct.  But that would have been their introduction to those terms, and my 7-year-old daughter could well have been asking me what those things were right after we left.  In any case, Father's language very clearly put these terms into a sɛҳuąƖ context.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #33 on: December 04, 2017, 01:43:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on December 04, 2017, 12:54:51 PM
    But the theory in itself (i.e., people who are mired in sins of violence become violent people, just as people consistently practicing any particular virtue become virtuous in that regard) is not so far out as some make it.

    Anger and Lust are both cardinal sins, which means that neither one reduces to the other; they're at the root of the sin tree.  Now, one can argue that ALL of these trace back to a common self-absorption and always seeking one's own interest ... and maybe that's what he had in mind.  But Anger and Lust are two different things.  There may be a cycle.  Someone who's given to lust will in turn increase his own selfishness, which then another step removed leads to increasing anger.  But there isn't a direct causality between the two, nor is every act of anger (traffic situation, cold coffee) to be attributed to impurity.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #34 on: December 04, 2017, 01:55:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Pax Vobis on December 04, 2017, 01:48:50 PM
    Agree, but it's not like she was scandalized from the sermon, which you're "walking out of the sermon" comment implies.
    Yes, he was saying that "self absorption" is a non-sɛҳuąƖ form of "self love", which impurity is the main cause.
    I think you should retract this.  Way over the top.  Fr P is still a priest, who is owed respect and we should assume some wisdom on his part, due to what he hears in the confessional.

    No, impurity is not necessarily the main cause of self-absorption.  Again, please read up on the cardinal sins.

    He showed a very decided lack of wisdom here and was not acting rationally.  In fact, most of recent actions give every indication of his rational faculties having been compromised somehow ... from his bizarre attacks of Bishop Williamson and vendettas against other Resistance priests and support for fake bishop Ambrose and enabling of Pablo.  Those are not the actions of a rational man, and this sermon just gives another indication of that fact.  I would not trust my family to his spiritual guidance ... not even close.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #35 on: December 04, 2017, 02:02:34 PM »
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    • Let's look at this from another angle, which is, what were Fr's solutions to the problem?  VERY GOOD solutions, in my opinion.  CHARITY, selflessness, and sacrifice for others (in addition to the obvious prayer and avoidance of occassions of sin).  How often have we heard over, and over, and over again sermons about impurity that JUST discuss prayer, penance and avoiding occasions of sin?  A lot. 

    Prayer, penance and avoiding occasions of sin - these are how to AVOID the VICE; but we also must CURE the cause of sin, which is the WEAKNESS of the VIRTUE.  The vice is selfishness; the virtue is selfLESSness.  One can avoid a vice, yet live in neutral because the virtue is still lacking.  Hence, charity needs to be practiced.

    Let's not lose focus of the main message of the sermon!  "Most souls go to hell because of sins of impurity" said Our Lady at Fatima.  If we can't discuss such sins, aren't we being a bit puritanical? 
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #36 on: December 04, 2017, 02:08:10 PM »
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    • Typical of Fr. Pfeiffer, the grown-up, incorrigible boy, who has always sought after attention.

    The fact the OLMC's priests are under the control of the fake lay-exorcist, Paul Hernandez, should put a chill down our spines.

    Just ignore them.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #37 on: December 04, 2017, 02:44:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 04, 2017, 01:30:22 PM
    I would have walked my children out of there and probably said something out loud to Father while walking out.
    Exactly what I would have done!!
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #38 on: December 04, 2017, 02:59:44 PM »
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    • If a fireman were rescuing y'all from a burning building would you really be so upset if he spoke roughly while doing so? 

    Fr P used no expletives and gave no graphic details. The school-aged children in the congregation probably hear much worse at school everyday, and the smaller ones from the TVs and conversations in the background in some of their very homes. I doubt one innocent child actually raised any question with their parents afterward without prompting.  This is a tempest in a teapot.

    As for it being given in mixed company, it's naive to believe that women aren't subject to the same temptations in this over-sɛҳuąƖized world we live in. 

    Fr should have probably given a warning beforehand of the subject matter, but other than that I think some of the delicate flowers here should step back a moment and realize that if  soft-spoken sermons and advice were working, he wouldn't feel the need to hammer it home like this  in order to keep souls from suffering in Hell for eternity. I think if it made enough impact to stop one soul from this sin, then it was worth a couple of blushes.

    I do not condone the actions of Fr P in many things and do not support him, but calling him crazy for doing his actual job as a priest is wrong and a sin. Somewhat reminiscent of Herodias calling for John's head because she was unhappy with the subject and delivery of his sermons.

    I await the multitude of down-votes.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #39 on: December 04, 2017, 03:04:47 PM »
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    I think some of the delicate flowers here should step back a moment and realize that if soft-spoken sermons and advice were working, he wouldn't feel the need to hammer it home like this in order to keep souls from suffering in Hell for eternity. I think if it made enough impact to stop one soul from this sin, then it was worth a couple of blushes.
    Exactly.


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    I do not condone the actions of Fr P in many things and do not support him, but calling him crazy for doing his actual job as a priest is wrong and a sin.
    Double exactly.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #40 on: December 04, 2017, 03:09:06 PM »
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    • This is material for a Retreat, where things can be spoken of, as is appropriate depending on the disposition of the hearer,
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #41 on: December 04, 2017, 03:14:02 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 04, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
    Plus Father Pfeiffer shows himself borderline deranged if he thinks that masturbation is the cause of losing your temper when someone cuts you off in traffic or if your coffee is cold.  Hopefully he's aware that there are SEVEN cardinal sins and that not every sin traces back to lust.



    I think he was essentially saying that masturbation can be a gateway to fαɢɢօtry, which is a disposition that makes the pervert ill-tempered and violent.

    St. Bernardine of Siena says:

    "No sin has greater power over the soul than the one of cursed sodomy, which was always detested by all those who lived according to God's law. ...

    "Such passion for untenable practices borders on madness. This vice disturbs the intellect, unbalances an elevated and generous state of soul, drags lofty thoughts down to base ones, makes men pusillanimous and irascible, obstinate and hardened, servilely soft and incapable of anything.

    "Furthermore, the will, agitated by the insatiable drive for pleasure, no longer follows reason but rather the tumult of the passions. ...

    "One who lives practicing the vice of sodomy will suffer more pain in Hell than anyone else, because this the worst sin that exists."

    http://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/n130_Sodomy_6.htm
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #42 on: December 04, 2017, 03:36:41 PM »
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    • We have different temperments, what may be good for one Soul, may be bad for another, a Priest needs to discern when is the appropriate time to speak bluntly or gently,
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #43 on: December 04, 2017, 03:49:11 PM »
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    Typical of Fr. Pfeiffer, the grown-up, incorrigible "fat-boy", who has always sought after attention.

    The fact the OLMC's priests are under the control of the fake lay-exorcist, Paul Hernandez, should put a chill down our spines.

    Just ignore them.

    Well yeah!  This is a priest who should be ignored by any serious Catholic.  But what do we see since the topic was posted yesterday? It approaches 1000 views and 60 comments. Wow!  What's the matter with some of you people?  Pfeiffer is a nut job.  His shabby little seminary is a disgrace to the traditional Catholic movement, or whatever is left of it.  He is essentially ruled over by a layman, whose behavior is reprehensible.  He attacks a certain traditional bishop with impunity.  He rails on about almost anything and everything, not just lust; and he perches imperiously above it all, as if none of the world's filth and corruption might touch him.  Good Lord, people, get a life!
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #44 on: December 04, 2017, 03:50:47 PM »
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    • With Respect, we are not talking about the Priest, but about the Sermon...
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