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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
« Reply #105 on: December 06, 2017, 10:02:13 AM »
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  • Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? I'll tell you all who's gone mad.  It's at least half of CI forum members. Imagine such a topic of doubtful worth, i.e. worthless, commanding this kind of attention!  You keyboard warriors are moving the number of views closer to 3000 with each passing minute.

    It got as much attention as it did because several posters defended the vulgarity in this sermon.  So it turned into a heated debate.  In addition, other topics were raised that were of interest, such as whether priests are beyond criticism for this kind of thing and whether or not crude/vulgar language and images are appropriate among devout Catholics.  So the interest and attention is quite understandable.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #106 on: December 06, 2017, 10:04:52 AM »
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  • St. Paul taught that certain types of sins (related to impurity) should not even be mentioned among Christians.

    Ephesians 5:3-4

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    But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not so much as be named among you, as becometh saints: Or obscenity, or foolish talking, or scurrility, which is to no purpose; but rather giving of thanks. 


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #107 on: December 06, 2017, 10:14:15 AM »
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  • Absolutely correct Ladislaus,  this thread is about whether or not people thought the content of the sermon was appropriate, and a lot of people thought it was not, and said so.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #108 on: December 06, 2017, 10:19:55 AM »
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  • Even if a particular 13-year-old "knew" the terms, to hear them repeatedly used in crude and vulgar ways by a priest during Mass can't exactly be edifying.
    How exactly were they "repeatedly used in crude and vulgar ways" in the sermon, again?
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #109 on: December 06, 2017, 10:24:03 AM »
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  • Nadir,
    Look, your post was wonderful and the above saints were absolutely lovers of purity.  No one should disagree with that.  But it doesn't answer my question - maybe I'm not explaining it correctly?

    You imply that these 2 young women were pure because they were ignorant of concupiscence.  That makes no sense and devalues their purity.  Is a 2 year old "pure" because they are innocent?  No, they are just innocent.  A 2 year old cannot be pure, because the virtue of purity necessisarily requires one to be exposed to, or have temptations against vice.  One cannot have heroic virtue without overcoming the temptations which seek to conquer the virtue.

    Jacinta was very pure, but she died at 10, so doesn't really fit my example, as she's not an adolescent.  St Maria Goretti certainly had knowledge of what her assailant was doing because she kept yelling to him that "God is not pleased; this is not what God wants."  This is when he went into a rage and started stabbing her.

    I guess my questions are:
    1.  Why is a realistic, mature, catholic introduction to marriage and reproduction considered by some to be "impure"?  This is a very puritantical and uncatholic outlook on marriage.
    2.  Why is it assumed that to keep a child "pure" means you keep them ignorant?  This is not logical.
    3.  Why is it assumed that knowledge will lead to impurity?
    Exactly. Not only that, but ignorance at late ages makes it hard for such sheltered individuals to respond to them, and therefore don't know how to react and (most importantly) resist such temptations once they are finally exposed to them. That's why it is important to denounce such sins(by exposing them first, of course) in order to ensure the sheep know which lines not to cross in order to stay on the straight-and-narrow.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #110 on: December 06, 2017, 10:24:51 AM »
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  • How exactly were they "repeatedly used in crude and vulgar ways" in the sermon, again?

    Just listen to the sermon.  I'm not going to go to the trouble of transcribing every single instance where he used the term.  Anyone with proper sensibilities and sense of decorum can recognize the crudeness and vulgarity.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #111 on: December 06, 2017, 10:25:22 AM »
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  • Exactly.

    Another Pfeiffer cult member and lackey?

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #112 on: December 06, 2017, 10:29:14 AM »
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  • Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? I'll tell you all who's gone mad.  It's at least half of CI forum members. Imagine such a topic of doubtful worth, i.e. worthless, commanding this kind of attention!  You keyboard warriors are moving the number of views closer to 3000 with each passing minute.

    I did not view this video, but can pretty well figure out its contents by piecing together the indignant throw-away remarks from breathless forum members.  My goodness, how disgraceful CI commentary has become.  Matthew should lock the thread immediately.  But he probably won't.  He needs a lot of eyes viewing the ads, and making online purchases, I guess. (BTW, Matthew, if you don't like my remarks, ban me. Obviously, I wouldn't care a damn.)

    As for Fr. P.  The man is a certifiable screwball with his cat's paw Mexican always hovering close at hand.  You ought to be ashamed giving this fallen cleric in the white cassock so much attention.   He apparently highlighted in vulgar detail certain mortal sins of the flesh, but I'm not so certain that some of you who viewed this video atrocity did not yourselves commit mortal sin merely by watching it.

    Of course, the likes of Wessex was eventually be enticed into entering the discussion.  He is irrepressible.


    Well, there you go.  See what your frenzied efforts have unleashed?  Obviously, you folks didn't fall asleep.  You were not treated to "girly niceness," for certain.  And the 'weird' religion of your parents and grandparents received a 'healthy' trashing. Are you proud and happy now?

    I expect and await a number of thumbs-down from resident CI morons.
    Considering that OLMC is still "in business" there must still be some supporters.
    Something, eventually, will click with them.  
    Thus the need to point out new issues with the place.


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #113 on: December 06, 2017, 10:31:22 AM »
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  • The sermon was too explicit - the words too explicit. I only got to the first part.  The spiritual books say that purity and humility are two subjects that are delicate - to say too much or say the wrong thing is to wilt them, like a delicate flower.  And yes, St. Paul says some things shouldn't even be mentioned.  A word/phrase alluding to what the priest has in mind (and he'd better be right about the need of it) can be acceptable and effective -- but you don't wade whole hog into the subject with crass vocabulary that makes those trapped in the pew not just uncomfortable but perhaps vulnerable to impure thoughts or temptations, especially if it carries on and on. 

    We don't have sex ed classes for, among other things, reasons exactly along these lines.  If one is modest, one is most careful about anything approaching the subject of purity - much less spewing broadside, rough words or expressions that one would not say if Our Lady was sitting there listening.  But some of us go where angels would fear to tread.  His approach/method, was out of place.  
    If any one saith that true and natural water is not of necessity for baptism, and on that account wrests to some sort of metaphor those words of Our Lord Jesus Christ, "Unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost...,"  Let Him Be Anathama.  -COUNCIL OF TRENT Sess VII Canon II “On Baptism"

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #114 on: December 06, 2017, 10:31:40 AM »
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  • I'm not defending every aspect of this sermon.  There are many valid points from those who are offended by the 'm' word and other terms they consider improper.

    However, some have gone to the other extreme and have implied that, even if Fr had used 'proper' terms, that the topic should be 'off limits' for a sermon (in their opinion).  This is what i'm debating.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #115 on: December 06, 2017, 10:40:19 AM »
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  • Just listen to the sermon.  I'm not going to go to the trouble of transcribing every single instance where he used the term.  Anyone with proper sensibilities and sense of decorum can recognize the crudeness and vulgarity.
    I did listen to the sermon, and(if you were paying attention), I said that I don't think he should have explicitly mentioned "masturbation" or "prostitutes" in it.
     However, though these words may be inappropriate to use in front of children, that doesn't mean they were necessarily used in a crude manner. I don't see how mentioning them in order to denounce them for the good of the faithful counts as "crass talking". 
    Maybe for "delicate flowers" as some of you admire, but not for mature adults. 
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #116 on: December 06, 2017, 10:44:47 AM »
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  • Another Pfeiffer cult member and lackey?
    Actually, I have been disillusioned from him and his dysfunctional "seminary" for more than a year now. Too bad I didn't realize it sooner. 
    Nice try though. Maybe you'll hit the bullseye on your next throw. Next time I suggest you use a real argument rather than resorting to pathetic ad-hominem attacks.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #117 on: December 06, 2017, 11:06:14 AM »
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  • I did listen to the sermon, and(if you were paying attention), I said that I don't think he should have explicitly mentioned "masturbation" or "prostitutes" in it.
     However, though these words may be inappropriate to use in front of children, that doesn't mean they were necessarily used in a crude manner. I don't see how mentioning them in order to denounce them for the good of the faithful counts as "crass talking".
    Maybe for "delicate flowers" as some of you admire, but not for mature adults.
    NP, it is more that these words are not appropriate to use at all, certainly inappropriate in Church.
    I say that it is licit to resist the Roman Pontiff by not doing what he orders and by impeding the execution of his will; it is not licit, however, to judge, punish or depose him, since these are acts proper to a superior." St. Robert Bellarmine

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #118 on: December 06, 2017, 11:09:47 AM »
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    But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not so much as be named among you, as becometh saints: Or obscenity, or foolish talking, or scurrility, which is to no purpose; but rather giving of thanks.
     
    Secondly, when St Paul said 'let it not be named among you' he was not talking about the 'words' but the actions.  He was saying let not a christian be named a fornicator.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer gone mad? VERY Inappropriate sermon.
    « Reply #119 on: December 06, 2017, 11:13:04 AM »
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  • NP, it is more that these words are not appropriate to use at all, certainly inappropriate in Church.
    You honestly think that it would be inappropriate for adults to use these words when talking amongst themselves in a conversation that's not am inherently impure one?
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