Author Topic: Fr. Pfeiffer critiques the bishop (Read 11530 times)

hollingsworth · « **on:** January 06, 2015, 12:28:41 PM »

Fr.Pfeiffer Q & A in Ontario

Here’s something for you all to chew on:

Fr. Pfeiffer gave a conference at St. Catherine’s in Ontario in the latter part of December 2014. I provide a link to the Q & A session portion of it.

[youtube] https://www.youtube.com/embed/DJXuSAhnoxo[/youtube]

1) Father among other things accuses Bp. Williamson of misusing the principle of Grace building upon nature. H.E., according to Fr.P., says that when the natural “has been so destroyed” by living in this world, the supernatural can no longer “pick it up,” or deal with it. Father uses the illustration of a crane unable to pick up a load of totally broken up concrete from the ground. In other words, the natural, so shattered and destroyed, can not be taken up, mended and made whole by the supernatural, until the former undergoes a kind of "strengthening."

“It sounds good,” says Fr. P, “but it’s crap<sic>” God can do anything, Father declares triumphantly. +W must be censured because H.E. infers that God can not do everything, which, of course, He can.

2) According to Fr. P., Bp. Williamson impugns the Archbishop for having established an organization and giving too much authority to a chosen hierarchy. Bp. W, so says Fr. P, claims that ABL “made a mistake” in doing this. The latter “put too much authority in the Superior General, and made the Society too structured."

Yep, that’s basically how Fr. P sees it.

I invite the more thoughtful members of the forum to reflect upon this video and to make comments. Don’t take my word for anything. Listen for yourselves. I’ve just touched on a few of the major points Father made. There are others, perhaps not as equally hair raising, but interesting nonetheless.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #1 on:** January 06, 2015, 12:47:45 PM »

I hope this isn't another one of those videos.....

Let's have a look.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #2 on:** January 06, 2015, 01:09:11 PM »

Somewhere around 15:50 Fr. Pfeiffer talks about Bishop williamson's secret Rabbi friends. Who are these 'secret' Jєωιѕн friends of Bishop Williamson? I couldn't hear very well due to the sporadic throut clearing resembling mild tourettes syndrome, but did he say that Bishop Williamson would invite his secret Jєω friends to speak at the seminary? Exactly what is he trying to say?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #3 on:** January 06, 2015, 01:25:29 PM »

Centro, Father did not mention "secret Jєωιѕн friends." He refers to a specific rabbi, whom he names, who the bishop used to invite to speak at the seminary.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #4 on:** January 06, 2015, 01:34:18 PM »

I just listened again. At 16:57 Fr. Pfeiffer clearly states, "... and so he's always had these secret friends..."

This he states after speaking about the rabbi, which led to my conclusion that he was speaking about the rabbi as a secret friend of Bishop Williamson.

Please, Hollingsworth, have another listen. He clearly says that Bishop Williamson has halways had these secret friends. What does he mean?

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** January 06, 2015, 01:43:33 PM »

So now who will administer the Sacraments of Confirmation and Holy Orders at the Boston compound?

This sounds like terrible sour grapes. He's known all this about Bishop Williamson the entire time and just NOW chooses to air it all out ... since he's been rejected for summary episcopal consecration.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #6 on:** January 06, 2015, 01:54:54 PM »

Centro:

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Please, Hollingsworth, have another listen. He clearly says that Bishop Williamson has halways had these secret friends. What does he mean?

OK, but these "secret friends" were not 'sercret Jєωιѕн friends' necessarily. No, I don't know what he means about always having secret friends. Sounds a bit sinister, doesn't it? :tinfoil:

Centroamerica · « **Reply #7 on:** January 06, 2015, 01:57:39 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

Centro:
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Please, Hollingsworth, have another listen. He clearly says that Bishop Williamson has halways had these secret friends. What does he mean?

OK, but these "secret friends" were not 'sercret Jєωιѕн friends' necessarily. No, I don't know what he means about always having secret friends. Sounds a bit sinister, doesn't it? :tinfoil:

No not necessarily Jєωιѕн friends, but it is certainly implied, even if not intentionally, due to the context. I think it is very difficult to know what Fr. Pfeiffer means because like us southerners, he tends to ramble a bit.

Matthew · « **Reply #8 on:** January 06, 2015, 01:57:49 PM »

Seems like a case of "you're damned if you do, damned if you don't" to me.

If Bishop Williamson has no contact at all with Jєωs, he's "anti-Semitic".

If he has some kind of professional friendship/contact with a Jєω, and invited him to speak on very limited topics (I never heard this Rabbi speak, so I have no idea what the topic(s) were), then he's a closet Jєω-lover?

Give me a break.

I personally thought the Bishop was most wise for not limiting himself to SSPX-attending Traditional Catholics for his speakers. After all, if we limited our library to
Catholics
who are Traditional
and agree with us on everything
and/or
attend our particular group as their #1 choice

then we could fit our entire library on our nightstand! But that would be ridiculous.

Ergo, it's OK to read books by non-Catholics, as long as they are teaching mathematics or something.

I can have a protestant mow my lawn without being a "heretic sympathizer". Get it?

hollingsworth · « **Reply #9 on:** January 06, 2015, 01:57:53 PM »

ladislaus:

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So now who will administer the Sacraments of Confirmation and Holy Orders at the Boston compound?

This sounds like terrible sour grapes. He's known all this about Bishop Williamson the entire time and just NOW chooses to air it all out ... since he's been rejected for summary episcopal consecration.

Well, yeah. You point to the obvious corner into which Father seems to have painted himself. The 'Empty Chair' sect always manages to come up with a bishop or two. Maybe Father will have to resort to the same tactics in the end. :scratchchin:

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:01:02 PM »

The title of this thread is somewhat hilarious.

"Fr. Pfeiffer critiques the Bishop"

And in other news, there are lots of Jєωs involved in Finance and Hollywood, and Obama told a lie!

hollingsworth · « **Reply #11 on:** January 06, 2015, 02:21:51 PM »

Matthew:

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If Bishop Williamson has no contact at all with Jєωs, he's "anti-Semitic".

Ok, Matt, I think we hear you- and you're right. But I would not like to see the comments start going in this direction. Fr. P. did reference a rabbi who was occasionally invited by the bishop. But he did not spend a lot time on that particular theme. This Q & A was not essentially about Jєωs coming to speak at the seminary when H.E. was in charge. That was, IMO, kind of a sub-topic.

Croixalist · « **Reply #12 on:** January 06, 2015, 03:45:19 PM »

"Secret friends?" The secret Pfeiffer kept until he felt like spilling or second-hand calumny? Since we've seen what he does with his fellow resisters, I'm not sure he knows how to spot a friend when sees one.

ggreg · « **Reply #13 on:** January 06, 2015, 04:26:23 PM »

I think by Secret Friends he is talking about those people who are anti-Jєωιѕн "h0Ɩ0cαųst industry" but not necessarily Catholic.

David Irving and the like.

This is the most sensible explanation as Bishop Williamson has certainly hosted meetings and spoken at meetings of such people. Naturally, they like the kudos a public school educated man like him gives their cause.

I don't see how anyone could conclude that his "secret friends" were "Jєωιѕн Secret Friends" from Fr. P's comments.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #14 on:** January 06, 2015, 05:28:57 PM »

ggreg:

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I don't see how anyone could conclude that his "secret friends" were "Jєωιѕн Secret Friends" from Fr. P's comments.

Right. I think it is just as you say, "secret friends," folks like D. Irving, Texe Marrs and others.