Author Topic: Fr Pfeiffer conference about Ambrose for the seminarians (Read 12964 times)

Matthew · « **on:** November 10, 2015, 09:47:07 AM »

UPDATE: Get it while it's hot, folks! They really want me to take it down.
There's got to be something in this conference they don't want us to know, or something that embarrasses their group.

For those who want to listen to Fr. Pfeiffer's recent 1 hour 45 minute conference on Ambrose for the seminarians, I have it here:

http://www.cathinfo.com/Fr-Pfeiffer-Ambrose.mp3

I made it much louder, and compressed it into a roughly 100 megabyte MP3 file.

I could have made it even smaller if I was willing to endure some distortion (you know, the whole "sounds like he's underwater" effect). But I went with 128 Kbps, which is plenty of bandwidth for speech.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #1 on:** November 10, 2015, 10:27:28 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

UPDATE: Get it while it's hot, folks! They really want me to take it down.
There's got to be something in this conference they don't want us to know, or something that embarrasses their group.

For those who want to listen to Fr. Pfeiffer's recent 1 hour 45 minute conference on Ambrose for the seminarians, I have it here:

http://www.cathinfo.com/Fr-Pfeiffer-Ambrose.mp3

I made it much louder, and compressed it into a roughly 100 megabyte MP3 file.

I could have made it even smaller if I was willing to endure some distortion (you know, the whole "sounds like he's underwater" effect). But I went with 128 Kbps, which is plenty of bandwidth for speech.

What about what he says about remaining Catholic even if you join a protestant or Orthodox church? (even if you leave the Church, you are always a Catholic 28 minutes).

Not computer savvy or I' d try to upload this.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #2 on:** November 10, 2015, 11:34:21 AM »

At one hour and a half he says that he doesn't tell people not to go to the SSPX Masses for the reason of being Communicatio in Sacris. This is a falsehood and can easily be proved. He has stated publicly that it is Communicatio in Sacris. There are many issues with this video.

PG · « **Reply #3 on:** November 10, 2015, 11:34:54 AM »

I recommend people personally record what matthew is providing here, so we have it in multiple hands. That way matthew doesn't have to take any heat, and can remove it if need be.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #4 on:** November 10, 2015, 11:48:13 AM »

I'm at the end. There are many, many problems with this recording. It is incredible.

wallflower · « **Reply #5 on:** November 10, 2015, 11:55:20 AM »

Without having heard it, my first instinct about the "always remaining Catholic" comment is that it probably refers to the indelible mark of Baptism.

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #6 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:05:02 PM »

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Without having heard it, my first instinct about the "always remaining Catholic" comment is that it probably refers to the indelible mark of Baptism.

Correct.

Matthew · « **Reply #7 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:20:13 PM »

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I'm at the end. There are many, many problems with this recording. It is incredible.

Time to start compiling a bullet point list...

Centroamerica · « **Reply #8 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:21:31 PM »

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Without having heard it, my first instinct about the "always remaining Catholic" comment is that it probably refers to the indelible mark of Baptism.

Correct.

Let me put it into context. He is saying this as a reference to the accusations that Ambrose joined those schismatic groups. We all know that a formal abjuration is necessary to re-enter the Catholic Church. Further, heresy and schism separate all from the Catholic Church and they cannot be considered members.

Even if these problems with what he said is sorted out, he referred to them as "Protestant Churches", something even Benedict XVI won't be willing to do. It seems as if Fr. Pfeiffer is tainted with a bit of Americanism, but I'll let others decide what to think and wait until a priest or bishop speaks about this, if they choose to.

Centroamerica · « **Reply #9 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:23:40 PM »

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I'm at the end. There are many, many problems with this recording. It is incredible.

Time to start compiling a bullet point list...

I am at work unfortunately. Not slacking, just a little down time before my 6 PM class and in between breaks. Unfortunately, I might have to let someone else with more time do it, or try to find time tonight.

cebu · « **Reply #10 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:28:25 PM »

Of course, he is an Americanist. He has the American flag in the sanctuary. No other country in the world does that, apart from things like pilgrimages or patronal feast days.

wallflower · « **Reply #11 on:** November 10, 2015, 12:51:05 PM »

Well I doubt I will make it all the way through but my first concern is that within the first minute he says that Tony is "in the process of making a big campaign against me these days."

Me. ME. As if it's all about Fr. Pfeiffer personally. Maybe it has become personal but every one of these critics is concerned with something much greater than Fr. Pfeiffer. Every critic would love nothing more than for all to be united in truth. Every critic would love nothing more than for Fr. Pfeiffer to do the right thing. No one is looking for HIS fall. If he continues to think and speak of this as a campaign against HIM, he is very much missing the big picture.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but together with all of the other comments, this strikes me as being the crux of the problem.

CWA · « **Reply #12 on:** November 10, 2015, 02:14:32 PM »

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Well I doubt I will make it all the way through but my first concern is that within the first minute he says that Tony is "in the process of making a big campaign against me these days."

Me. ME. As if it's all about Fr. Pfeiffer personally. Maybe it has become personal but every one of these critics is concerned with something much greater than Fr. Pfeiffer. Every critic would love nothing more than for all to be united in truth. Every critic would love nothing more than for Fr. Pfeiffer to do the right thing. No one is looking for HIS fall. If he continues to think and speak of this as a campaign against HIM, he is very much missing the big picture.

Maybe I am reading too much into it, but together with all of the other comments, this strikes me as being the crux of the problem.

Exactly. Last year when +BW said in Canada that the Resistance was in shambles, Fr. Pfeiffer the next week spoke as if +BW said all kinds of nasty things about him, when he most certainly did not. Which had me perplexed, until I realized, Fr. Pfeiffer thinks of himself as "the Resistance" (or at the very least, its leader), so if you say "the Resistance is in shambles", you are directly criticizing him.

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Every critic would love nothing more than for all to be united in truth. Every critic would love nothing more than for Fr. Pfeiffer to do the right thing. No one is looking for HIS fall.

Exactly, and very well said.

CWA · « **Reply #13 on:** November 10, 2015, 02:24:31 PM »

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Without having heard it, my first instinct about the "always remaining Catholic" comment is that it probably refers to the indelible mark of Baptism.
Correct.

Let me put it into context. He is saying this as a reference to the accusations that Ambrose joined those schismatic groups. We all know that a formal abjuration is necessary to re-enter the Catholic Church. Further, heresy and schism separate all from the Catholic Church and they cannot be considered members...

Exactly. If the point about always being Catholic was about the indelible mark of Baptism, it was completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Wrong of him to even mention it. The key point is whether "Ambrose" formally abjured his heresy & schism (assuming he was guilty of it in the first place). Fr. Pfeiffer seems satisfied that he never was schismatic; that he was always Catholic. And anyway (what Fr. Pf seemed to say) is even if he did go Orthodox schismatic for a while, he supposedly professes the Catholic Faith now to Fr. Pfeiffer's satisfaction.

Maybe he throws in these weird points about "always remaining Catholic" so we'll all waste time & space on threads arguing about whether Martin Luther is a Catholic in hell, rather than stay on the topic of "Ambrose's" legitimacy, and other problems with OLMC-Boston, KY.

CWA · « **Reply #14 on:** November 10, 2015, 02:38:06 PM »

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I'm at the end. There are many, many problems with this recording. It is incredible.

Time to start compiling a bullet point list...

Good idea. Hard to do, though, because it's painful enough to listen to the whole long 1:45:00 once. Maybe a start is to compile comments already made:

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I have just managed to listen to the recording posted on the 30 Days in Boston. In between the snorting of Fr Pfeiffer (why does he do that ?), i was shocked that he clearly believes Mr Moran to be a totally valid priest and bishop. He even attacks Tony La Rosa by name for exposing the truth about this fake.

As a typical meglomaniac Father says that people are only attacking him because they want the 'seminary' closed down. He is even so deluded to say that they are continuing the work of Archbishop Lefebvre. I am sure the saintly Archbishop will be turning in his grave at that. Abp Lefebvre would not touch that cult with his crozier except to exorcise it if both the priests came to their senses and get rid of Paul Hernandez.

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At the roughly 26:30 mark Fr. Pfeiffer says that Ambrose was never part of the Orthodox church. Yet he went on to explain before that Ambrose was for many years part of various Orthodox groups. Bizarre....

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The talk makes my head spin. None of it changes the fact that Fr. Pfeiffer lacked great discernment in even bringing Ambrose to his seminary.

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Just as well Fr. Pfeiffer's discussion is posted here, because Manuel already flushed his down the memory hole! That's journalism at it's absolute worst Manuel..

Fr. claims it's indisputable that Moran is a priest and bishop, and 4 days later they ditched him. What exactly is OLMC's "truth"?

It's very interesting. Fr Pfeiffer says Tony Larosa(?) confirmed the fraudster's incardination in Toronto, but if I recall correct, Tony was the one who got docuмented confirmation from the Toronto Eparchy that "Archbishop" Moran's claim is fraudulent, he was never incardinated in Toronto.
It's also interesting how fast Fr. dismissed the claims of Papal Privilege and Universal Jurisdiction when a questioner brought them up. Obviously Fr. was already picking and choosing from Billy Moran's Buffet of Baloney. He sure wasn't swallowing all of it, even himself!!!

I removed it upon a personal and private request, which I felt I should honor.

Wow, he comes out swinging on Tony La Rosa for trying to foster a rebellion. At about 20 minutes he affirms most authoritatively and repetitively that Ambrose is a valid priest, a valid bishop, and a true Catholic.

At 28 minutes he says something extremely suspect to me. He claims that if you were ever once Catholic and leave to join some Protestant 'church' or Orthodox 'church' you remain Catholic, though you have sinned against your Faith. I would have to listen again, but I am asking if someone can help me understand what he is saying here.

Apparently, it's not over until the fat lady sings and she ain't singing anytime soon.

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Good thing I got up in the middle of the night with a bout of insomnia or I would have missed it-- taken down already, really?

Fr sounded tired and stumbled over many of the various names, dates and titles, and the whole thing was rather convoluted- which is excusable considering the labyrinthine nature of the whole tangled affair- but the gist seems to be that he still believes Ambrose to be a valid and Catholic priest and bishop.

PS- How do you get *8* bishops together for a formal function without it being a huge deal that has lots of photos and a reception afterward, and plenty of witnesses and docuмentations?

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I also find it very disturbing that Father Pfeiffer keeps claiming that Moran was incardinated into the Toronto Eparchy......that is blatantly false! Even Moran's own "evidence" doesn't back that claim.

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At one hour and a half he says that he doesn't tell people not to go to the SSPX Masses for the reason of being Communicatio in Sacris. This is a falsehood and can easily be proved. He has stated publicly that it is Communicatio in Sacris. There are many issues with this video.