Author Topic: Fr. Pfeiffer and The Recusant keeping up the wicked fight (Read 13163 times)

Matthew · « **on:** December 20, 2015, 09:30:57 AM »

Remember a few weeks ago I said Fr. Pfeiffer was in desperate, Bond villain, Saturday morning cartoon villain, kamikaze "Foiled again! Since it's come to this, I'll blow up the whole city then!" mode.

Seriously, he has undertaken a concerted campaign of attack (slander, libel, etc.) against everyone he considers his "enemy". That is to say, the entire mainstream Resistance (the entire Resistance outside Boston, KY):

+Williamson
+Faure
Fr. Zendejas, and Fr. Garcia
CathInfo
Matthew
etc.

I'm not going by anything he said, but only his actions. He clearly wants to decimate the growing mainstream Resistance, in the hopes that people will be desperate for Mass and a Bishop, and will accept ANYTHING, even his slipshod operation and a false pseudo-bishop like Ambrose Moran (and any bishops Ambrose consecrates -- like Fr. Pfeiffer!)

Yes, I read the latest (Nov-Dec) Recusant. Not the whole thing; just the editorial ranting on and on about me and CathInfo. It was shameful and disgusting. It was a childish rant totally devoid of substance or truth. I won't waste my time responding to it line-by-line, as there's not much to say. How do you respond to malicious distortions and lies? Correct him with the truth? He knows the truth already; he's not interested in it. He's only interested in playing this little boy's war game with Fr. Pfeiffer, ignoring all the rules of Catholic morality in the process. To him he's just "scoring a point" or inflicting some damage on an enemy, like in a video game.

Fr. Pfeiffer sets the example though -- I listened to an excerpt of his latest sermon, wherein he attempted to attack Fr. Zendejas (specifically, a paragraph of one of his blue papers). Talk about twisting, distorting, and mangling the facts! He was torturing Fr. Zendejas' words until they screamed. At any rate, there was no basis for his attack. Fr. Zendejas was NOT saying what Fr. Pfeiffer claimed he was saying. Just read Fr. Zendejas' other blue papers and you'd know!

But Fr. Pfeiffer isn't interested in the truth. He's interested in attacking his "enemies" that he doesn't like. This is all a big war game to him. It gets the blood flowing, it gets him moving. He has to have a war to fight at all times. But he seems to prefer aiming the machine guns at his own side's trenches...

I could just hear him saying to Our Lord, "What is this you say, you will destroy the temple and in 3 days rebuild it?" or, "It is blasphemy to claim that you are God!"

In other words, disgusting. Twisting the words of a good priest, calling good "evil" and evil "good". Utterly revolting to me as a Catholic.

Matthew · « **Reply #1 on:** December 20, 2015, 09:41:11 AM »

Regarding the Recusant, I will limit my response to this:

He has chosen to follow Fr. Pfeiffer blindly, and is totally committed to the man Fr. Pfeiffer. He has latched his boat onto a sinking ship, and his own media periodical The Recusant is going to fade into obscurity as more and more people realize it's just a propaganda rag for Fr. Pfeiffer's increasingly desperate and un-Catholic operation.

Like other media organs that have gone before it, it used to be a decent periodical. But not anymore. Just think of all the Catholic media outlets that you might have read years ago, but not anymore:
(Reading out of curiosity to see "what nonsense are they up to now?" doesn't count!)

The Remnant
The Wanderer
Catholic Family News
Fisheaters forum
AngelQueen forum
The Angelus
Rorate Caeli blog
The Pope's encyclicals
etc.

Regarding Fr. Pfeiffer:
Likewise, Fr. Pfeiffer used to be a good Catholic priest. But he's losing it, faster than the SSPX in my opinion. Sure, he's veering to the right while they go to the left. But he's diverging from the "straight and narrow path" faster than the average SSPX priest.

Keeping the Faith involves not going off to the right hand OR the left. It means keeping ALL Catholic doctrine intact.

I know the sedevacantists are going to hate me for saying this, but I'm going to criticize Fr. Pfeiffer with sedevacantism. This isn't just my opinion either. Fr. Pfeiffer is a sedevacantist who doesn't know it yet. Just look at how black-and-white he makes the crisis. Look at his red light position. Look at his level of isolation. Look at his trust level for any authority above himself. In 5 years, he'll be about as legit and sane as Pope Michael's operation in St. Mary's, KS.

It's hard to explain, but it's obvious to me he's doing a lousy job of keeping the Archbishop's position (which was NOT sedevacantist). Attacking priests like Fr. Zendejas, Fr. Garcia and the 2 Resistant bishops while embracing Ambrose Moran? Seriously?

These things the Archbishop would not do.

And to all Catholics reading this:

Greg Taylor (who recently met with Fr. Pfeiffer in person to discuss their battle plans) calls me all kinds of names and claims it's all about principles, the Faith, etc.

I would humbly ask you to read and look into the claims of BOTH SIDES. Look into it for yourselves. Figure out who is in the right. Pray about it.

For example, Greg Taylor attacks CathInfo for the SGG scandal which was discussed (hotly) here about 6 years ago. He admits I distanced myself from it since then. Heck, I deleted all the posts! (He didn't mention that little detail!) But what more can I do? I'm only human, and I never claimed to be anything more than human. I admitted and corrected my mistakes. I don't have a time machine, sorry Greg. You're in England; maybe you have time-travelling police boxes there. We Americans don't.

He also attacks CathInfo for Pope Augustine -- though he's been banned for almost 3 years now. Which, incidentally, is about how old the Resistance is. So is there any real reason to "avoid CathInfo" as he advocates, when all the evils he digs up have been dealt with long ago?

Oh, and it was lovely hearing SSPX propaganda from Greg: he complained about ALL the people personally bashing Bishop Fellay. Greg claims that for we Resisters on CathInfo, it's all about the man Bishop Fellay and not about principles or the Faith. Seriously, Greg? What are you smoking? Why don't you point out ONE POST Greg, just one. Again, "no substance". He's hoping no one will look into his wild claims. Unfortunately, he is being clever in this regard: most people read a story and accept it at face value without verifying its claims (I've been guilty of this before).

Moral of the story: LOOK INTO IT and figure out the truth for yourself. Don't believe me. Don't believe Greg.

Because, unlike Greg, I don't have a cynical view of you. I respect you. I don't proudly regard myself as someone who can play you Catholics like proverbial fiddles. I don't pride myself on some kind of rabble-rousing manipulative ability. On the contrary, I try to promote the truth and attack error, nothing more.

Greg's argument is basically the argument of the Apple Macintosh fanatic: "Windows has so many viruses! Get a Mac instead!" but what is Microsoft's answer? "That's because Windows is so popular: 90% of people use Windows. Bad guys aren't going to waste their time on malware for a PC architecture few people own."

Yes, CI attracts all kinds of interesting characters, and some who are ban worthy. But that can't be helped. It's part of being the world's largest, most popular Traditional Catholic forum. Likewise, it's the biggest Resistance forum in the English speaking world, so of course our net is going to catch more bad fish, since the net is so big!

His summary of the recent posts about Boston, KY and Pablo was quite distorted as well. He conveniently left out all the REAL substance of the criticisms of Boston KY (which can still be read here) and focused instead on a couple posts which either A) didn't exist at all or B) only existed for 1 hour before I discovered and deleted them.

Try to meet +Williamson in person next time he's in your area. Meet Fr. Zendejas and ask him anything. Read his blue papers (written sermons) which you can find at https://latinmasstexas.wordpress.com/fr-gerardo-zendejas-sermons/

See for yourself whether or not he is a true Resistance priest and faithful heir of Archbishop Lefebvre.

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #2 on:** December 20, 2015, 12:42:32 PM »

I feel that this situation is much like what was said in the X-Files:

The truth is out there.

Also, I recall the old motto of RadioShack:

You've got questions? We've got answers.

There is a lot of stuff out there. Some of it is true. Some of it is partly true. Some of it is entirely false.

Some of these things matter. Others don't matter at all.

What are our priorities? What matters?

I was told that I have been too soft on Cathinfo, and I have also been told I have been too soft on OLMC.

The truth is out there, and I believe it lies somewhere between these two. That's why I say we should ask questions constantly.

Marlelar · « **Reply #3 on:** December 20, 2015, 12:59:29 PM »

Where can I find the Nov/Dec issue?

Matthew · « **Reply #4 on:** December 20, 2015, 01:19:12 PM »

Quote from: Marlelar

Where can I find the Nov/Dec issue?

I know I "started it" by bringing it up here, but I'm going to have to deny (or pique?) your curiosity by saying "it won't be posted here". Just like the Canadian website (ecclesiamilitans) doesn't carry it anymore.

Like I said, who cares what Greg thinks? He's a nobody now, a complete "tool" for Fr. Pfeiffer's group. Whatever good his publication was is past-tense. His relevance (even to the small Resistance) will tank accordingly.

"The Recusant" has become a thinly veiled media arm of Fr. Pfeiffer's failing and increasingly desperate group of 2 priests. Now "the Resistance" isn't that tiny, nor is it doing that bad. Just Fr. Pfeiffer's group. Remember that!

OHCA · « **Reply #5 on:** December 20, 2015, 01:43:10 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez

I feel that this situation is much like what was said in the X-Files:

The truth is out there.

Pfeifferville wouldn't know the truth if it bit them in the @$$.

Quote from: ManuelChavez

Also, I recall the old motto of RadioShack:

You've got questions? We've got answers.

Blah blah blah

Quote from: ManuelChavez

There is a lot of stuff out there. Some of it is true. Some of it is partly true. Some of it is entirely false.

Truth: Pfeifferville attacks good priests and bishops, and runs them off. Pfeifferville isn't above flirting with the idea of using a schismatic fraud to advance the goals that the egos there have contrived.

False: The bull$#!+ hurled at the good priests and bishops when Pfeifferville has its tantrums and goes into attack mode.

Quote from: ManuelChavez

Some of these things matter. Others don't matter at all.

The actions of Pfeifferville matter. The uncharitable empty words hurled out of Pfeifferville at good priests and bishops matter to the extent of condemning those hurling them but do not matter in terms of intellectual discourse.

Quote from: ManuelChavez

What are our priorities? What matters?

Catholic doctrine--the truth in general--calling out smokescreens, half truths, and lies.

Considering the old adage that actions speak louder than words, it would appear that the success of the seminary in which big egos are so deeply invested matters at all costs--up to and including flirting with using a schismatic fraud.

Quote from: ManuelChavez

I was told that I have been too soft on Cathinfo...

Bring it...

Quote from: ManuelChavez

and I have also been told I have been too soft on OLMC.

Smokescreen Duty

Quote from: ManuelChavez

The truth is out there, and I believe it lies somewhere between these two. That's why I say we should ask questions constantly.

Right--we shouldn't deprive smokescreeners of the opportunity to hear themselves talk, as many love it so very much. I'm not into asking somebody with measured words and a polished script to take a shot at duping me.

Maria Regina · « **Reply #6 on:** December 20, 2015, 01:47:23 PM »

Go to duckduckgo.com and enter The Recusant.

It will be found in Issues 30+

Frankly, I do not know who to trust anymore, as I see a sorry situation in Roman Catholicism no matter where I look:

1.The Recusant is written by a layman who is apparently accountable to no one.

2. The SSPX is now beholden to the corrupt Vatican bureaucracy.

3. The Vatican has been corrupt since even before the days of Pius XII, who penned Mystici Corporis Christi, which established Diocesan Liturgical Committees that ultimately lead to the condemnation of the Latin Mass, the installation of the Novus Ordo, and continual liturgical revolutions.

4. The Dimond Brothers of Most Holy Famliy Monastery have become a glorified Protestant Cult inspite of their protestations to the contrary.

5. The individualistic Sedevacantists are beholden to none and increasingly fall into error with people losing chapels and property to unscrupulous priests to the point where laity must hold title, and then the title could pass to descendants who are not Catholic. It has become a hornet nest.

Others are also expressing confusion but are reticent to admit this.

This diabolical confusion is a sign of the End Times. When Christ comes will he find any faith?

All most of us can do is to say prayers at home. We are the faithful remnant.

Marlelar · « **Reply #7 on:** December 20, 2015, 01:56:36 PM »

Ok.

Thanks for the duckduckgo idea.

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #8 on:** December 20, 2015, 02:00:38 PM »

From OHCA:Right--we shouldn't deprive smokescreeners of the opportunity to hear themselves talk, as many love it so very much. I'm not into asking somebody with measured words and a polished script to take a shot at duping me.

My response: So you don't care to hear what they have to say? You don't feel the need to ask questions and get answers, even if the answers may or may not be factual?

It is apparent that you have chosen a closed-minded approach to the situations and events revolving around OLMC, one that supports your biased view, and you will continue to do so with derogatory and inciteful language, to the detriment of yourself and to the reputation of Cathinfo.

Nothing is resolved with sarcasm or closed minds and hearts. This situation will only further degenerate, because no one is willing to listen and learn in all due respect and charity.

Ask questions. Get answers. You may not like the answers, but they will help nevertheless.

OHCA · « **Reply #9 on:** December 20, 2015, 02:07:35 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez

From OHCA:Right--we shouldn't deprive smokescreeners of the opportunity to hear themselves talk, as many love it so very much. I'm not into asking somebody with measured words and a polished script to take a shot at duping me.

My response: So you don't care to hear what they have to say? You don't feel the need to ask questions and get answers, even if the answers may or may not be factual?

It is apparent that you have chosen a closed-minded approach to the situations and events revolving around OLMC, one that supports your biased view, and you will continue to do so with derogatory and inciteful language, to the detriment of yourself and to the reputation of Cathinfo.

Nothing is resolved with sarcasm or closed minds and hearts. This situation will only further degenerate, because no one is willing to listen and learn in all due respect and charity.

Ask questions. Get answers. You may not like the answers, but they will help nevertheless.

Until something more than "aw shucks" comes out of OLMC regarding the schismatic fraud debacle, I would as soon sit down and have a conversation with an Anglican, an uneducated heretical country preacher, or Frank the Fraud, as anybody associated with OLMC.

Croixalist · « **Reply #10 on:** December 20, 2015, 02:22:00 PM »

Quote from: ManuelChavez

From OHCA:Right--we shouldn't deprive smokescreeners of the opportunity to hear themselves talk, as many love it so very much. I'm not into asking somebody with measured words and a polished script to take a shot at duping me.

My response: So you don't care to hear what they have to say? You don't feel the need to ask questions and get answers, even if the answers may or may not be factual?

It is apparent that you have chosen a closed-minded approach to the situations and events revolving around OLMC, one that supports your biased view, and you will continue to do so with derogatory and inciteful language, to the detriment of yourself and to the reputation of Cathinfo.

Nothing is resolved with sarcasm or closed minds and hearts. This situation will only further degenerate, because no one is willing to listen and learn in all due respect and charity.

Ask questions. Get answers. You may not like the answers, but they will help nevertheless.

Note to Manuel: deflections don't count as answers. We all knew Ambrose was a fake, but Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko let him say Mass. The time for answers is over because there is no question about it; they have thrown their own credibility out the window.

You can continue to be part of this sham and keep posting like a shaken bottle of soda, but one of these days someone around here has to learn to clean up their own mess.

Gail · « **Reply #11 on:** December 20, 2015, 02:33:23 PM »

Quote from: Marlelar

Where can I find the Nov/Dec issue?

Cor-Mariae

ManuelChavez · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2015, 02:52:27 PM »

Quote from: Croixalist

Quote from: ManuelChavez
From OHCA:Right--we shouldn't deprive smokescreeners of the opportunity to hear themselves talk, as many love it so very much. I'm not into asking somebody with measured words and a polished script to take a shot at duping me.

My response: So you don't care to hear what they have to say? You don't feel the need to ask questions and get answers, even if the answers may or may not be factual?

It is apparent that you have chosen a closed-minded approach to the situations and events revolving around OLMC, one that supports your biased view, and you will continue to do so with derogatory and inciteful language, to the detriment of yourself and to the reputation of Cathinfo.

Nothing is resolved with sarcasm or closed minds and hearts. This situation will only further degenerate, because no one is willing to listen and learn in all due respect and charity.

Ask questions. Get answers. You may not like the answers, but they will help nevertheless.

Note to Manuel: deflections don't count as answers. We all knew Ambrose was a fake, but Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko let him say Mass. The time for answers is over because there is no question about it; they have thrown their own credibility out the window.

You can continue to be part of this sham and keep posting like a shaken bottle of soda, but one of these days someone around here has to learn to clean up their own mess.

They did not know he was a fake. What information was presented on Ambrose was unfortunately diluted by falsehoods regarding other situations regarding Boston.

They eventually reached the conclusion that they should not associate with Ambrose. This is because the vital information was shaken free of the surrounding lies, errors and deception that surrounded the truth (examples: animal sacrifices, curses, etc).

The real sham is the lack of charity and humility, and the unwillingness to listen, to ask questions and to understand. Both sides of the argument are guilty of this. Both have caused the mess, each in their own ways.

I pray that there can be a good solution for the many problems facing the resistance today.

Marlelar · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2015, 03:15:43 PM »

Quote from: Matthew

Yes, I read the latest (Nov-Dec) Recusant. Not the whole thing; just the editorial ranting on and on about me and CathInfo.

Yes, a bit over the top. I think everyone here knows that ranting by members is part and parcel of forum life. There are always some posters who are...um... excessively enthusiastic shall we say? And we do not expect forum owners to be able to reign in every single one of them all the time. Adults on forums know not to trust everything they read and to do their own research. Those who take things too personally should stay off forums.

cebu · « **Reply #14 on:** December 20, 2015, 03:25:21 PM »

Please do not encourage anyone to read this vile diatribe.

Just as when a rat is backed into a corner, the wrecusant will lash out anyone. It will amuse you to know that Greg Taylor, the editor and only writer, is so busy spewing his venom at Matthew in his editorial that he forgets to mention the Billy Boy Moron fiasco or the letter of Fr Voigt. All this hatred and bitchy sarcasm is ultimately aimed at Bishop Williamson because he will not be the lap dog of Fr Pfeiffer. Then he goes on about himself and how everyone will detest him. Just me, me, me.

God help them all on Judgment Day when they will have to answer for their actions. They have become a complete cult like the Jehovah Witnesses - the more they are attacked, the more they think they are doing right. They are no longer Roman Catholics but Resistance Catholics with Sunday Holy Hours rather than Holy Masses.