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Offline Ekim

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Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2018, 10:25:18 AM »
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    • Hey Wallflower, you are ABSOLUTELY correct.  I stumbled onto the SSPX in 1988 when I saw ABC World News Tonight report on the “First Excommunication in Generations” and the “Rebell Archbishop”.  It peaked my 17 year old interest so I started writing letters to H. E. Bishop Williamson.  I was dumbfounded when he actually wrote back to this 17 year old kid...and continued to write back and answer questions for years.  

    Bishop Williamson formed Catholic Warriors, training them to “bring the fight to the man!”.  Fr. La Reuix (sp?) forms Catholic Gentlemen who know nothing about the trenches.

    SSPX no longer have the gritt.  They are soft.  Sadly the Now old timers have also abandoned their mentor as well as his warrior spirit.

    Fr. K. Novak who once led Eucharistic processions to the steps of the local NO church to offer Benediction in reperation for the many sins and blasphemy’s committed against Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament (lay ministers, Communion in the hand...) Now praises Bp. Schneider from the pulpit no longer recognizing that he still performs these blasphemies.  He “Prays that Bp. Williamson lands back on his feet”.

    Where have all the warriors gone?  Lulled to complacency.

    Sad times.  Sad times in deed!
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #16 on: January 15, 2018, 11:44:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 15, 2018, 10:12:52 AM
    I have to wonder if maybe the decline of fighting spirit against modernism by the SSPX began with Summorum Pontificuм in 2007, and then the 'lifting' of the excommunications of the SSPX bishops in 2009. Maybe the these concessions by Rome were seen by the SSPX as an acceptance of them by the Roman authorities, of sorts. The desire to be accepted can be a powerful motivator. One can forget the bigger picture.

    The stage was set for 2007 to be a landmark change for the SSPX.

    At first glance, the Pope's Motu was an admission or error and the freeing-up the of the Tridentine Mass.

    At 2nd glance, Bp. Fellay had condoned Benedict's change of the Novus ordo missae to the Ordinary rite and the Tridentine Mass to an Extraordinary rite.  

    St. Pope Pius V's codification of the TLM was once again violated, but no one seemed to care about these details?



    In hindsight, it all seemed so prearranged, even the handshake.
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #17 on: January 15, 2018, 01:28:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 14, 2018, 09:33:37 PM
    Dude-

    I stuck around after Mass today for adult catechism class, since it was announced from the pulpit that Mediator Dei (Piux XII on the liturgy - 1947) was going to be discussed.

    I never do this, but since the liturgical deform is a hotspot of mine, I made a conscious attempt to stick around, because something told me I should.

    I was appalled by the level of knowledge (i.e., lack of it) among the parishioners, as evinced by the questions they were asking.

    With two exceptions, they were totally clueless (Since I know my chapel watches me, the two who impressed me were PB and SH).

    It really is incredible how ignorant lifelong SSPXers can be!

    I could say much more, but I don't want to make trouble at my chapel.
    Can you tell us what knowledge they lacked?  Or does the majority of parishioners at your SSPX chapel read Cathinfo on a regular basis? 
    I'm betting the St Louis chapel reads this website regularly - a few years back the priest made a reference to it during the sermon.
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #18 on: January 15, 2018, 01:54:47 PM »
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    • I recently had a conversation with an old friend that still attends the SSPX and has their kids in one of their  schools. I happened to mention the CMRI as we spoke and I was then asked what that is. I explained who they were and he said that he had never heard of them. I was completely perplexed by the fact that he had no idea what was going on in the church outside of his little parish. With all of the madness going on in the church today, how can one properly gauge where they stand without at least knowing the arguments of others on the topic? 

    My brother is another one, he told me that he has put all of his money on the SSPX and is not changing  his course now at this point in his life.

    It seems like some people have blind faith in the Society and that's all they can handle.
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #19 on: January 15, 2018, 03:15:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on January 15, 2018, 10:25:18 AM
    I stumbled onto the SSPX in 1988 when I saw ABC World News Tonight report on the “First Excommunication in Generations” and the “Rebell Archbishop”.  It peaked my 17 year old interest so I started writing letters to H. E. Bishop Williamson.  I was dumbfounded when he actually wrote back to this 17 year old kid...and continued to write back and answer questions for years.  

    What a great story! How fascinating are the daily workings of grace.
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #20 on: January 15, 2018, 05:11:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on January 15, 2018, 10:25:18 AM
    I stumbled onto the SSPX in 1988 when I saw ABC World News Tonight report on the “First Excommunication in Generations” and the “Rebell Archbishop”.  It peaked my 17 year old interest so I started writing letters to H. E. Bishop Williamson.  I was dumbfounded when he actually wrote back to this 17 year old kid...and continued to write back and answer questions for years.  
    I want to tell how rare this is, that a priest, let alone a bishop, would respond to a member of the laity. In all my years of writing, calling, emailing, I had one young priest answer my email. He was genuinely concerned. I eventually got to know and befriend his dear mother. His sister is still contemplating a vocation as a nun. He is sadly, attached to the diocese, NO, but he definitely has the spirit of St. John Vianney. I have been writing and calling since 1977.
    I did receive a letter, too many years too late, from Archbishop Lefebvre himself, it must have gotten lost in the mail.
    http://www.sspxasia.com/Docuмents/Archbishop-Lefebvre/OpenLetterToConfusedCatholics/
    I share it with all my 'Christian' friends, all of them 'former' Catholics...the letter never got to them in time, either. 
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #21 on: January 15, 2018, 08:15:22 PM »
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    • Wallflower,  the workings of grace, the goodness of God is truly amazing.  The only reason I reacted to this news report was because I was predisposed to all the Archbishop had to say.

    To make a long story short, my mother was mentally handicapped.  She had moments of complete lucidity combined with even longer instances of schizophrenia.  This illness put her in a mental time warp.  When the modern changes took place in our parish she would just say “Thats nonsense, everyone knows you don’t touch the host.  Don’t you touch the host son”.  When they ripped out the Communion rail she said “That’s God.  You always kneel down in the presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament “.  Her simple faith that she learned as a small girl from the old Germany teaching nuns stuck in her mind forever.  No matter how many priests rolled their eyes at her, no matter how many sermons they gave about disrupting the Communion line by kneeling, she was truly oblivious to their reactions to her actions.

    Her simple explanations to me as a small boy just made common sense.  Even with her mental illness it was just impossible to find any error in her childlike responses.  I saw her numerous times leave young NO priests just dumbfounded with her childlike responses when they tried to convince her that Communion in the hand was okay as well as receiving Holy Communion standing.

    So when I saw this “Rebel Archbishop” on TV standing up for everything my mother did and then received personal guidance from the very Bishop he consecrated, it is easy to see how I was predisposed to this news report.
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #22 on: January 16, 2018, 02:52:16 AM »
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    • Your story Ekim, is a mixture of sadness and hope, in some ways your dear Mother's illness can be seen as a blessing in disguise, as it protected her and you from the modernist madness that was sweeping everyone else along...
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #23 on: January 16, 2018, 10:38:08 AM »
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    • One can easily extend this ignorance to the entire world.  I don't know the percentages and will not pretend to know but do people really understand that our government the shadow government, deep-state are worshipping Satan and most people are unaware or only think of it as "art".  Satanic symbols everywhere, the poor youth of today.

    I only hope there are more good people that are concerned than evildoers.  
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #24 on: January 16, 2018, 10:53:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ekim on January 15, 2018, 08:15:22 PM
    Wallflower,  the workings of grace, the goodness of God is truly amazing.  The only reason I reacted to this news report was because I was predisposed to all the Archbishop had to say.

    To make a long story short, my mother was mentally handicapped.  She had moments of complete lucidity combined with even longer instances of schizophrenia.  This illness put her in a mental time warp.  When the modern changes took place in our parish she would just say “Thats nonsense, everyone knows you don’t touch the host.  Don’t you touch the host son”.  When they ripped out the Communion rail she said “That’s God.  You always kneel down in the presence of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament “.  Her simple faith that she learned as a small girl from the old Germany teaching nuns stuck in her mind forever.  No matter how many priests rolled their eyes at her, no matter how many sermons they gave about disrupting the Communion line by kneeling, she was truly oblivious to their reactions to her actions.

    Her simple explanations to me as a small boy just made common sense.  Even with her mental illness it was just impossible to find any error in her childlike responses.  I saw her numerous times leave young NO priests just dumbfounded with her childlike responses when they tried to convince her that Communion in the hand was okay as well as receiving Holy Communion standing.

    So when I saw this “Rebel Archbishop” on TV standing up for everything my mother did and then received personal guidance from the very Bishop he consecrated, it is easy to see how I was predisposed to this news report.

    That's an excellent account of your mother's simple faith and seeing what is right and what is wrong, even though she suffered from mental illness. A child-like simplicity is what we should all strive for (as per Our Lord's recommendation), but it can be difficult to achieve.
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #25 on: January 17, 2018, 11:50:07 AM »
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    • Wow, Ekim what a beautiful testament. Your love and devotion for your mother earned you some truly special graces. It couldn't have always been easy. We all say we want grace but the minute suffering hits us we want it taken away. We forget that it is not cheap. Your story is so edifying and encouraging, with so much food for thought. God bless your mom. 

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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #26 on: January 17, 2018, 01:34:31 PM »
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    • Myrna is correct.  This problem of people being in the dark about a great many things is not limited to the SSPX.  I am in constant amazement when I see or hear people who are generally quite intelligent make statements that display an amazing amount of ignorance about actual facts.
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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #27 on: January 17, 2018, 06:11:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: wallflower on January 17, 2018, 11:50:07 AM
    Wow, Ekim what a beautiful testament. Your love and devotion for your mother earned you some truly special graces. It couldn't have always been easy. We all say we want grace but the minute suffering hits us we want it taken away. We forget that it is not cheap. Your story is so edifying and encouraging, with so much food for thought. God bless your mom.

    Wallflower your comment made me immediately think of this prayer.

    PRAYER OF ST AUGUSTINE (Made public by order of Pope Urban VII.)

    Before Thy eyes, O Lord, we bring our offences, and we compare them with the stripes we have received.
    If we consider the evil we have wrought, what we suffer is little, what we deserve is great.
    What we have committed is very grave, what we have suffered is very slight.
    We feel the punishment of sin, yet withdraw not from the obstinacy of sinning.
    Under Thy lash our inconstancy is visited, but our sinfulness is not changed.
    Our suffering soul is tormented, but our neck is not bent.
    Our life groans under sorrow, yet mends not in deed.
    If Thou spare us we correct not our ways: if Thou punish we cannot endure it.
    In time of correction we confess our wrong-doing: after Thy visitation we forget that we have wept.
    If Thou stretchest forth Thy hand we promise amendment; if Thou withholdest the sword we keep not our promise.
    If Thou strikest we cry out for mercy: if Thou sparest we again provoke Thee to strike.
    Here we are before Thee, O Lord, shameless criminals: we know that unless Thou pardon we shall deservedly perish.
    Grant then, almighty Father, without our deserving it, the pardon we ask for; Thou who madest out of nothing those who ask Thee.
    Through Christ our Lord. Amen.

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    Re: SSPX chapel in the dark
    « Reply #28 on: January 20, 2018, 06:11:02 PM »
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    • That is a hard prayer but true. I have not seen that one before, thank you for sharing!
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