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Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2019, 10:46:02 AM »
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  • http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2019/01/22/letter-of-fr-joseph-pfeiffer-to-ambrose-moran/
    "After shoving Ambrose Moran down on our throats as a true Catholic bishop over and over again publicly and through countless hours of private discussions, this is the statement we get from Fr. Pfeiffer?  There is one thought that came to my mind after reading it:
     
    PATHETIC!"


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #16 on: January 22, 2019, 10:59:26 AM »
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  • That is not what Fr. Pfeiffer said.  
    To which "certificates" does fr. Pfeiffer refer?  He does not say.  
    Also, he addresses moran as "archbishop", so clearly Fr. Pfeiffer considers him not only a bishop but also a legitimate Catholic archbishop.  

    In addressing him as Archbishop, he's likely just giving him the benefit of the doubt.  I address Novus Ordo priests as Father even though I entertain doubts about their validity ... out of respect, and not to cause scandal, and to give them the benefit of the doubt.  One might in fact personally believe that he's probably valid, but that falls short of proving it with the requisite certainty in the public forum.

    As for the certificates, he's obviously referring to signed docuмents regarding his episcopal consecration.


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #17 on: January 22, 2019, 11:02:11 AM »
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  • Notice what Fr. Pfeiffer wrote:  "sufficient verification required by the Church [ sic ] to use your episcopal powers for our Seminary...We cannot proceed with any allowance of your services in capacity of Bishop for Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Seminary"

    Does that mean they can use him for holy oils?  What about confirmations?  What about non-seminary related activities?

    I find it curious that the phrasing is so specific.  

    Fr. Pfeiffer clearly admits that Moran is a bishop with "episcopal powers"

    Father Pfeiffer has never been theologically precise in his use of language.  He may either mean "your putative episcopal powers", or else is implying "I personally believe he's valid but can't let him function publicly unless he can prove it with docuмentation."

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #18 on: January 22, 2019, 12:56:48 PM »
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  • Seems history is repeating itself:

    "November 7th, 2015
    Dear faithful,

    "After further investigation, the Seminary of Our Lady of Mount Carmel in Boston, Kentucky, has decided not to associate with Archbishop Ambrose Moran.

    "Please keep our nine seminarians and brothers in your prayers and we thank all who are praying for our apostolate.

    "In Christ the King and the Immaculate Heart of Mary,
    Father Joseph Pfeiffer
    Father David Hewko"

    tradcatknight.blogspot.com/2015/11/statement-from-our-lady-of-mount-carmel.html


    I wonder if history will also repeat itself with the subsequent deceit and association with Moran, as last time.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #19 on: January 22, 2019, 04:40:04 PM »
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  • I wonder if history will also repeat itself with the subsequent deceit and association with Moran, as last time.
    Fool me once, shame on you!  Fool me twice; shame on me!  
    I'll believe Fr. Hewko is serious when he leaves Boston.  


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #20 on: January 22, 2019, 04:45:33 PM »
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  • It makes you wonder. We're all familiar with the communist/ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ infiltration of the Church, but how about these guys? It seems so calculated and deliberate.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #21 on: January 22, 2019, 09:15:29 PM »
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  • It makes you wonder. We're all familiar with the communist/ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ infiltration of the Church, but how about these guys? It seems so calculated and deliberate.
    Someone asked that same question on Pablo's video confirming Moran as genuine.  He just got excommunicated by Moran via youtube comments. Do the Metropolitans have a youtube clause in the jurisdictional authority?

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #22 on: January 23, 2019, 12:17:33 AM »
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  • However unknowledgeable I am on this issue, I think in this case I can say with justification, well done Fr. Pfeiffer. No associating with this man at least until he can provide real docuмentation.



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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #23 on: January 23, 2019, 08:30:49 AM »
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  • However unknowledgeable I am on this issue, I think in this case I can say with justification, well done Fr. Pfeiffer. No associating with this man at least until he can provide real docuмentation.

    Too late for that! He's already been associated with him for years, now it's a question of withdrawing that association. The cat's out of the bag and it's not going back in.
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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #24 on: January 23, 2019, 11:06:01 AM »
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  • However unknowledgeable I am on this issue, I think in this case I can say with justification, well done Fr. Pfeiffer. No associating with this man at least until he can provide real docuмentation.
    You are very unknowledgeable on this issue.

    Fr. Pfeiffer crammed Moran down our throats in 2015, said he separated from him in 2015, kept in contact with him from 2015 on, paid to move him from CO to OH, helps to pay his rent in OH, sends seminarians there to help him, tells the family moran is living with that moran is great, gets "fr."  Poisson "conditionally ordained" in secret by moran, someone let the cat out of the bag (not fr. Pfeiffer) that fr. Pfeiffer is working with moran again, then fr. Pfeiffer did a lengthy conference "proving" that moran is legit and publicly chastising Tony LaRosa for his in-depth research of moran.

    Then moran "excommunicated" Mr. LaRosa.  
    Fr. Pfeiffer was silent.

    Then fr. Hewko gave fr. Pfeiffer the ultimatum: moran or fr. Hewko.

    Fr. Pfeiffer SEEMS to have chosen fr. Hewko. 
     
    BUT, based on fr. Pfeiffer's past history, we cannot believe he will be true to his word.  Fr. Pfeiffer has proven himself to be a liar and a deceiver.  He cannot be trusted.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #25 on: January 23, 2019, 12:12:38 PM »
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  • January 23, 2019
    Saint Emerentiana

    Dear Friends and Benefactors,

    The final decision on the case of Archbishop Ambrose Moran and Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Seminary is as follows: After a long investigation, it is concluded that while the Archbishop is a valid Bishop there are nonetheless unexplained anomalies related to his case which have not been able to be verified as true since evidence points in multiple directions in these anomalies. Ample time has been given to clear up these anomalies, but the results are inconclusive. Proper sufficient ecclesiastical authentication is therefore lacking. Hence the Archbishop cannot be used in his episcopal powers for Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Seminary. The following note was sent to the Archbishop on Jan 16, 2019 last week.

    Dear Archbishop Ambrose,
    Please be Advised that to this date final sufficient verification required by the Church to use your episcopal powers for our Seminary is not in our hands. You have been asked and given ample time to provide the necessary certificates with real clear authentication. You have not done so. We did all we could on our part to facilitate your obtention of all necessary proofs. Hence, We cannot proceed with any allowance of your services in capacity of Bishop for Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Seminary.

    In Christ,

    Fr Joseph Pfeiffer
    Rector

    May God bless all the Investigators, both here and abroad, who worked diligently and thoroughly in this matter, without bias, intimidation or coercion as well as all those souls who have manifested their prayers, sacrifices and legitimate concerns on this case.
    May all those who have spread unfounded gossip and twisted tales be forgiven and beg forgiveness for the spreading of evil.
    As for myself, I am sorry for any of my failings in this matter as well. I do not wish to turn down the gifts of Our Lady or to move forward rashly, hence the slow movement forward in this case.

    May God bless each and every one, and may Our Holy Mother Mary let us persevere in the great battle of the faith by keeping it whole unblemished, and entire to hand down to the next generation what we have received.

    In Christ,

    Fr. Joseph Pfeiffer
    Rector Our Lady of Mt. Carmel Seminary


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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #26 on: January 23, 2019, 12:33:44 PM »
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  • They give new meaning to the OLMC:

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #27 on: January 23, 2019, 12:48:03 PM »
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  • They give new meaning to the OLMC:

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #28 on: January 23, 2019, 12:57:52 PM »
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  • After a long investigation, it is concluded that while the Archbishop is a valid Bishop there are nonetheless unexplained anomalies related to his case which have not been able to be verified as true since evidence points in multiple directions in these anomalies. Ample time has been given to clear up these anomalies, but the results are inconclusive.

    He's valid and he's not valid.

    Allow me to translate this logical gibberish.

    He's valid (because I say so) but invalid (because there's no proof for Ambrose's claims).

    Talking out of both sides of his mouth to save face for his past defense of Ambrose's validity.

    Political BS does not stop with Fellay.

    Tone obviously = too arrogant to apologize and admit a mistake.

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    Re: Fr. Pfeiffer's Letter to Moran
    « Reply #29 on: January 23, 2019, 01:04:07 PM »
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