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Author Topic: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson  (Read 10493 times)

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Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2023, 12:45:32 PM »


Just wondering who will become the new SSPX Resistances leader when the "Bishop Of Broadstairs" leaves this earth?

Will they cast lots?


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Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2023, 08:36:32 PM »

Just wondering who will become the new SSPX Resistances leader when the "Bishop Of Broadstairs" leaves this earth?

Will they cast lots?
I was just wondering the same. Lets pray he doesn't go any time soon.

I also wonder if they would start consecrating Bishops left and right.


Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2023, 06:00:21 AM »
I wonder what Bp. Morgan's stance on the vaccine will be.

Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2023, 11:24:40 PM »
Assuming Fr Jorge isn't a bishop (and that's a good assumption) then he would be "pope elect" just like if the Cardinals elected a deacon or some priest to be pope (which is theoretically possible).  In the past, similar situations happened with priests being chosen as the new bishop of a diocese.  Since they weren't bishops yet, they were a "bishop elect".  In olden days, it could take a while for a bishop to travel and consecrate the "bishop elect" so he would be able to run the diocese immediately, from a govt/admin aspect. 


In the same way, as "pope elect" Fr Jorge would, arguably, have immediate govt/human authority but not spiritual authority (until he became a proper bishop and finished the papal ceremonies).  That's what theologians have speculated based on real life episodes in the past.

Interesting. That does enter into the material-formal thesis of sedevacantism. A good example of what you describe would be that of Bishop Juan de Zumárraga of México, who was actually not consecrated a bishop yet until over a year after the apparitions of Our Lady of Guadalupe. 

Re: Fr. Paul Morgan consecrated a bishop by Bp. Williamson
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2023, 05:56:39 AM »
Assuming Fr Jorge isn't a bishop (and that's a good assumption) then he would be "pope elect" just like if the Cardinals elected a deacon or some priest to be pope (which is theoretically possible).  In the past, similar situations happened with priests being chosen as the new bishop of a diocese.  Since they weren't bishops yet, they were a "bishop elect".  In olden days, it could take a while for a bishop to travel and consecrate the "bishop elect" so he would be able to run the diocese immediately, from a govt/admin aspect. 


In the same way, as "pope elect" Fr Jorge would, arguably, have immediate govt/human authority but not spiritual authority (until he became a proper bishop and finished the papal ceremonies).  That's what theologians have speculated based on real life episodes in the past.
Again, the issue is whether Jorge is currently pope (and he was ordained a priest in the New Rite as well, so not "Fr" either) if he was not consecrated a true bishop.  At this moment in time, if one believes the NREC is invalid, then he is not pope ....yet.....if a person believes that being consecrated a true bishop would make that happen. The fact that one performs certain duties of a pope still doesn't make one a pope. Even those who hold the Cassiciacuм Thesis, don't believe he is pope.