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Italian bishop allows the SSPX to celebrate Mass
« on: October 13, 2015, 11:15:10 AM »
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  • http://www.riposte-catholique.fr/non-classe/un-eveque-italien-autorise-la-fraternite-saint-pie-x-a-celebrer-en-paroisse

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    An Italian bishop authorizes the Society of St. Pius X parish to celebrate
    OCTOBER 13, 2015 / NO COMMENT / 394 VIEWS

    An Italian Bishop Lorenzo Ghizzoni, has authorized the SSPX to celebrate on the second Sunday of October two Masses in a parish in his diocese. To this end, he invited don Enrico Doria, prior of the SSPX, to celebrate these Masses. Archbishop Ravenna and Cervia wants to allow the creation of a stable group of faithful. Bishop Ghizzoni not, however, going to a friend of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum ... So it is good news that reduces the gap between practice the diocesan bishops and the SSPX.

    France soon?


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    Un évêque italien autorise la Fraternité Saint-Pie X à célébrer en paroisse
    13 OCTOBRE 2015   / PAS DE COMMENTAIRES   /   391 VUES

    Un évêque italien, Mgr Lorenzo Ghizzoni, vient d’autoriser la FSSPX à célébrer dès le deuxième dimanche d’octobre deux messes dans une paroisse de son diocèse. À cet effet, il a invité don Enrico Doria, prieur de la FSSPX, à célébrer ces messes. L’archevêque Ravenne et Cervia veut ainsi permettre la création d’un groupe stable de fidèles. Mgr Ghizzoni ne passait pourtant pas pour un ami du Motu proprio Summorum Pontificum… C’est donc une bonne nouvelle qui permet de réduire le fossé pratique entre les évêques diocésains et la FSSPX.

    Bientôt en France ?

    Offline ihsv

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    Italian bishop allows the SSPX to celebrate Mass
    « Reply #1 on: October 13, 2015, 11:34:46 AM »
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  • Mission creep.  Things are getting curiouser and curiouser.
    Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. - Nicene Creed


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Italian bishop allows the SSPX to celebrate Mass
    « Reply #2 on: October 13, 2015, 01:53:44 PM »
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  • Quite the clever approach.  Unilaterally legitimate one chapel at a time and boil the frog into the V2 stew over time.  As I've said from the beginning, a wholesale reabsorption would have been impossible, since the SSPX would have fragmented.  That's why +Williamson had to be removed.

    Recall the statement from the Vatican that the problems were internal and which implied that +Fellay couldn't get enough consensus to bring everyone over wholesale.

    So a new plan is afoot.  First, unilaterally grant the SSPX jurisdiction during the Year of Mercy.  I'm guessing that this will be extended after the Year of Mercy.  This gets people used to and acclimated to the idea.  Now individual bishops will start granting jurisdiction to the SSPX chapels in their dioceses and in various regions around the world.  And, in return, the bishop will impose some unobjectionable demands.  Notice how in Italy the ordinary asked for the ordinary to offer the Mass.  Then it'll be other little requests that are not objectionable.  Pretty soon these working relationships become permanent and stable, and voila!, everyone has been reabsorbed.

    These modernists might be wicked, but they're not dumb.

    Offline JPaul

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    « Reply #3 on: October 13, 2015, 03:36:00 PM »
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  • And they will make our Lord present in a place of sacrilege. How tragic, who will make reparations?               :facepalm:

    Offline Maria Regina

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    « Reply #4 on: October 13, 2015, 04:14:53 PM »
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  • Quote from: obscurus
    http://www.riposte-catholique.fr/non-classe/un-eveque-italien-autorise-la-fraternite-saint-pie-x-a-celebrer-en-paroisse

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    An Italian bishop authorizes the Society of St. Pius X parish to celebrate
    OCTOBER 13, 2015 / NO COMMENT / 394 VIEWS

    An Italian Bishop Lorenzo Ghizzoni, has authorized the SSPX to celebrate on the second Sunday of October two Masses in a parish in his diocese. To this end, he invited don Enrico Doria, prior of the SSPX, to celebrate these Masses. Archbishop Ravenna and Cervia wants to allow the creation of a stable group of faithful. Bishop Ghizzoni not, however, going to a friend of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum ... So it is good news that reduces the gap between practice the diocesan bishops and the SSPX.

    France soon?


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    Un évêque italien autorise la Fraternité Saint-Pie X à célébrer en paroisse
    13 OCTOBRE 2015   / PAS DE COMMENTAIRES   /   391 VUES

    Un évêque italien, Mgr Lorenzo Ghizzoni, vient d’autoriser la FSSPX à célébrer dès le deuxième dimanche d’octobre deux messes dans une paroisse de son diocèse. À cet effet, il a invité don Enrico Doria, prieur de la FSSPX, à célébrer ces messes. L’archevêque Ravenne et Cervia veut ainsi permettre la création d’un groupe stable de fidèles. Mgr Ghizzoni ne passait pourtant pas pour un ami du Motu proprio Summorum Pontificum… C’est donc une bonne nouvelle qui permet de réduire le fossé pratique entre les évêques diocésains et la FSSPX.

    Bientôt en France ?


    I have a friend who lives in Italy. Most of the SSPX parishioners occasionally attend the former break away group from the SPPX, and the SSPX pastor does not seem to mind.
    Lord have mercy.


    Offline OldMerry

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    « Reply #5 on: October 13, 2015, 04:20:05 PM »
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  • The indult/moto is a technique, a trick.  It breaks down traditional resistance and it works with liberal (former) trads.  

    You can't have your cake and eat it too!

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    « Reply #6 on: November 13, 2015, 10:24:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Maria Regina

    I have a friend who lives in Italy. Most of the SSPX parishioners occasionally attend the former break away group from the SPPX, and the SSPX pastor does not seem to mind.


    By break away group, I assume you mean the Istituto Mater Boni Consilii (IMBC)? Fr. Florian Abrahamowicz is loosely associated with them and has assisted in one of their ordinations.
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