Author Topic: Fr. Wegner smashes Bp. Williamson - Bp. W responds (Read 7016 times)

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2015, 12:04:42 AM »

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A cogent, charitable, and honest response from H.E.

I wholeheartedly agree. This is how discourse should take place. Someone attacked him, and he attacked right back with charity. Father Chazal's admonition to Father Pfeiffer and Father Hewko was similar regarding the Ambrose situation. We should emulate them.

Good observation!

Emulation of these two fine gentlemen is a high ideal; but one more easily mentioned than achieved.

For example, if merely a majority of this forum's members were to practice it, there would be no more bickering or insults on the threads, and just maybe, no one would be banned, but in any case the moderators would have a lot less difficulties.

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Ecclesiae · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2015, 02:53:20 AM »

By the way for those of you who don't know, Bishop Williamson is a Saint, rigorous but merciful!
For many, he seems to be a bad or wicked bishop, because this is said by some priests and a layman from Mexico, whose name I will not mention here. But it is not true. He is not only a successor of the apostles, he's a good bishop and in all humility we must see him as Christ and trust him!
He is Apostle and at the same time human and it's good for him to know that we are on his side, praying for him, that we like him and are connected with him.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2015, 02:59:01 AM »

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he's a good bishop and in all humility we must see him as Christ and trust him!

Not according to him.

Bishop Richard Williamson warns us to never tire of examining everything he says because he is not infallible and he might go astray sometime in the future.

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Ecclesiae · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2015, 03:09:24 AM »

That is precisely the sign of His Sanctity! He is humbly and admits that he isn't infallible and he is right, he is not the pope, and he is not God. Even saints can err and make mistakes. In that regard, everyone of us can freely choose whether we follow his advice or not. As he said, he may be wrong, but he is open to any discussion and any clarification and that is also a sign of his sanctity and honesty.

Ecclesiae · « **Reply #19 on:** November 07, 2015, 03:21:46 AM »

@Neil Obstat you wrote: "...and he might go astray sometime in the future."
It is our duty to pray for bishop Williamson, and we need his prayers. Write him and ask him for his prayers. We all need prayers because we can all get lost! We can all make mistakes, but much more worse than that is to get a cruel, or bitter and merciless heart that reject truth and is proud. Let us not forget, it was the pride which transformed a beautiful angel to a demon. This temptation can be found in the tradition. It was also the pride, and a lack of humility and mercy that destroyed the SSPX! These said the Bishop, and he´s right!

[i]So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don’t fall! 13 No temptation[f] has overtaken you except what is common to mankind. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted[g] beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted,[h] he will also provide a way out so that you can endure it.[/i][/i]Corinthians 10:12-13

Ecclesiae · « **Reply #20 on:** November 07, 2015, 06:20:27 AM »

I typed as always too fast and I mistyped a word: Not He is humbly but: He is humble. Yes Bishop Williamson is humble. Let's pray and hope that Bishop Fellay becomes humble and that he will announce his resignation.

The other two bishops committed an act of betrayal. They should beg bishop W. and the entirely society (and of course Christ) for forgiveness.

Ecclesiae · « **Reply #21 on:** November 07, 2015, 09:23:37 AM »

@Archangel Raphael
Sister Lucia of Fatima remained cloistered at the Novus Ordo convent, a convent that became/was modern. She loved being in the convent and living with the sisters and gladly accepted the Novus Ordo Mass. In the convent she had every day the New Mass and listened on Sunday the heresies of the priest.
Because she accepted the New Mass, the modernists were happy to canonize her.

What she did was terrible !!!

Let us judge if she was a Saint. Is an Apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary a sign to be Saint?

But it is a consolation to know that even saints, can err, and have erred...

Capt McQuigg · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2015, 09:55:01 AM »

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This German Priest Fr. Wegner needs to see the other side of WW2.

He can purchase on Amazon a book authored by Ben Raspberry,
The Myth of German Villainy.
Here are some of the horrors done to the German People:

a, Millions of surrendered German Soldiers in prisoner of war camps
were starved to death by orders of General Eisenhower that came
from Washington, DC.

b. At lease 8 million Germans were deliberately murdered by the
allies from VE Day to 1953. This leaves us the weaker minded
German that is easily brainwashed such as voting for the ex-communist
Merko and allowing mass immigration into their homeland.

c. Even the Jєωιѕн Tour guide of a concentration camp admitted
that the so called h0Ɩ0cαųst of deliberately exterminating Jєωs is a
lie.

Don't forget the deliberate targeting of civilians by the allies bombing raids and th dropping of the nuclear bombs on two cities of n Japan. Japan wanted to surrender as far back as 1943 but the allies had other, more bloodthirsty, plans.

The U.S. may congratulate itself all day long for fighting and defeating Hitler but the U.S. Fought alongside Stalin, while publicly whitewashing Stalin's own mass murders. WWII was evil versus evil and the U.S. Fought on the side of evil. There's no other way to slice that onion. State sanctioned murder is the activity of soldiers in a war.

richard · « **Reply #23 on:** November 07, 2015, 12:08:44 PM »

In regards to the 6 million number,aren't people jailed for denying that there were 6 million killed?

OldMerry · « **Reply #24 on:** November 07, 2015, 04:26:54 PM »

David Irving comes to mind. I had read somewhere that the Jєωs tried the 6 million number after World War I, but it didn't fly/wasn't accepted/wasn't taken seriously. They tried again in World War II.

Ran across this website and info:

http://www.Jєωwatch.com/Jєω-h0Ɩ0cαųst-lies-hoax-frauds-blackflagops-hoaxarchive.html

And yes, get very tired of seeing all this anti-nαzι programming on tv, with never a mention of Stalin, or other murdering Communists. I have seen a brief propaganda film in his favor on TCM. Pure red propaganda - shown in US theatres back in the day.

OldMerry · « **Reply #25 on:** November 13, 2015, 06:14:51 PM »

While we're on the subject -

http://news.yahoo.com/h0Ɩ0cαųst-denying-nαzι-grandma-gets-10-months-jail-102136724.html

Matthew · « **Reply #26 on:** November 13, 2015, 06:49:15 PM »

Some don't appreciate the fact that we're in a war here.

The Jєωs aren't pulling any punches as they march the world towards their own goals: a dystopian Hell where they are masters and we are all powerless, property-less, miserable, unthinking slaves with no hope.

The h0Ɩ0cαųst is one of the means they use. The Media is another. Political Correctness is another. Their money system (debt money) is another. They couldn't do what they're doing unless their attack were multi-faceted, which it is.