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Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
« on: September 23, 2018, 05:01:38 PM »
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #1 on: September 23, 2018, 09:01:59 PM »
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    • Who is Fr. Pancras?  A relative of Moran?
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #2 on: September 24, 2018, 01:43:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on September 23, 2018, 09:01:59 PM
    Who is Fr. Pancras?  A relative of Moran?
    Fr Pancras Raja is a priest from the Dioces of Tuticorin, southern India, born 1940, ordained 1968.
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #3 on: September 24, 2018, 05:08:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on September 24, 2018, 01:43:59 AM
    Fr Pancras Raja is a priest from the Dioces of Tuticorin, southern India, born 1940, ordained 1968.


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    According to a decree of the Novus Ordo Sacred Congregation of Rites dated August 15, 1968, Montini’s new rite of ordination became obligatory for the entire Latin church as of Easter Sunday, April 6, 1969.


    So do we assume this Fr. Pancras was able to avoid a bogus conditional ordination, performed by the bogus bishop, Ambrose Moran, as was in the case of former FSSP priest, Fr. Poisson? 
    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/07/30/ecclesia-militans-breaks-with-kentucky-fathers/
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #4 on: September 24, 2018, 08:36:52 AM »
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    • He would have been ordained validly in the Traditional Rite, and without any need whatsoever for conditional ordination.
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #5 on: September 24, 2018, 06:25:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: nottambula on September 24, 2018, 05:08:02 AM


    So do we assume this Fr. Pancras was able to avoid a bogus conditional ordination, performed by the bogus bishop, Ambrose Moran, as was in the case of former FSSP priest, Fr. Poisson?
    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/07/30/ecclesia-militans-breaks-with-kentucky-fathers/
    I also found these articles there
    Fr. Rafael, O.S.B., Speaks Out against Ambrose Moran
    14 September 2018

    In this sermon given on September 9, 2018, Fr. Rafael speaks out publicly for the first time against Ambrose Moran.  Furthermore, he advises us to no longer attend the Masses of Fr. Pfeiffer or Fr. Hewko due to their ministerial association with Ambrose Moran.  I agree!

    Father Hugo Ruiz V. requested that the following unanswered letter be made public.

     

    August 28th 2018

     

    Dear Father Hewko,

     

    I am sending this letter to you but I would like you to communicate it, please, also to Father Pfeiffer.

     

    Since I met you with Father Pfeiffer, I have always had in very good concept your people and your apostolate. I note that you have reacted correctly to the FSSPX crisis and that, with great zeal, you have helped many of the faithful abandoned by the neo-FSSPX in the four corners of the United States, and elsewhere. Likewise, your firmness to avoid any doctrinal decline in what today is called “resistance” which would simply be the authentic continuation of the work of Monsignor Lefebvre and the Church.

     

    It is true that times are difficult and that we do not know how much longer this terrible crisis can last, not only for the Church but also for society and the world. But it is also true that in this expectation we must always refer to Divine Providence since God can do everything and he watches over us, we must always believe that, at a given moment, God will come to our aid, because he cannot abandon his indefinitely, it is impossible. However, He puts us to the test for a time, and that is why we must know how to wait and not rush into trying to force a given situation.

     

    The fact that you do not yet find a bishop to ordain your seminarians does not mean that you would never find him. If we have to wait, we must wait, but we should not force the situation and resort to a “bishop” who is, at best, doubtful. It was sufficiently proved that “Bishop” Ambrose Moran was not ordained by Cardinal Slipyj and that even after the alleged ordination he continued his activities in the schismatic Orthodox church. The solution to your problems is not there, it is obviously not God’s will. By this decision you can break the trust of the faithful that have recourse to your apostolate and to whom you have so far done so much good. I ask you fraternally, as a priest whom you esteem, to distance yourself definitively from this man who is not clear in anything about what he does, all this is a false solution, an illusion. Henceforth, it is necessary to make a public retraction because the ordination “under condition” of Father Poisson is a very serious matter, you must dissociate yourself publicly and definitively from Ambroise Moran, because by this error, even your Catholic orthodoxy is compromised. If you do not go back and make reparation for this mistake I personally would be obliged, to my regret, to move away from you and your apostolate, for it is a matter of first order.

     

    You can count with my fraternal prayers and support in all that is good.

     

    May the Immaculate Virgin enlighten and guide you,

     

    Father Hugo Ruiz V.
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #6 on: September 24, 2018, 08:26:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: nottambula on September 24, 2018, 05:08:02 AM
    So do we assume this Fr. Pancras was able to avoid a bogus conditional ordination, performed by the bogus bishop, Ambrose Moran, as was in the case of former FSSP priest, Fr. Poisson?
    http://www.ecclesiamilitans.com/2018/07/30/ecclesia-militans-breaks-with-kentucky-fathers/
    Since moran claims to be ordained to the priesthood in 1974, it is impossible. Fr Pancras was ordained in Indian Diocese of Tuticorin in 1968.
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #7 on: September 24, 2018, 09:42:07 PM »
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    • I'm afraid to go to any Mass or take Sacraments from any but Fr. Pfeiffer or Heko themselves.  There is no way of knowing whether these other men are priests, especially if Amos Moran is involved.  I believe him a fraud, taken by OLMC out of desperation.  Same as going to an insult mass, how can I know if the Host was "consecrated" by a non-priest?  I don't live anywhere near OLMC, about 950 miles away, so I would not be attending mass there.  Fr. PA does say mass about twice a year 150 miles from me.  I wish I had a place to hear mass regularly, to receive Holy Communion, to have my sins absolved, but right now, I must be content without any Catholic support except on Cathinfo. and whatever sermons I can find on line. 
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #8 on: September 24, 2018, 11:30:57 PM »
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    • Is this a Latin rite priest?
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #9 on: September 27, 2018, 02:20:13 PM »
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    • I remember Fr. Pancras as an SSPX priest in good standing working in the UK in the 1980's when Fr Black was District Superior. I attended several of his masses in Herne Bay, Kent and went to Confession with him on one or two occasions.

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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #10 on: September 27, 2018, 03:07:34 PM »
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    • Quote from: Seraphina on September 24, 2018, 09:42:07 PM
    I'm afraid to go to any Mass or take Sacraments from any but Fr. Pfeiffer or Heko themselves.  There is no way of knowing whether these other men are priests, especially if Amos Moran is involved.  I believe him a fraud, taken by OLMC out of desperation.  Same as going to an insult mass, how can I know if the Host was "consecrated" by a non-priest?  I don't live anywhere near OLMC, about 950 miles away, so I would not be attending mass there. Fr. PA does say mass about twice a year 150 miles from me.  I wish I had a place to hear mass regularly, to receive Holy Communion, to have my sins absolved, but right now, I must be content without any Catholic support except on Cathinfo. and whatever sermons I can find on line.
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    Who is Father Pennsylvania?
    Is Amos Moran someone other than Ambrose Moran?
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #11 on: September 27, 2018, 03:44:48 PM »
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    • I am given to understand that FR Pancras is giving a retreat to the seminarians for a short while/ I do not believe he acknowledges Mr Moran or has got anything to do with him. Please pray for Fr Pancras as he is 80 years old and on a mission to help.
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    « Reply #12 on: September 27, 2018, 03:53:12 PM »
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    In the OP video sermon, Fr. Pancras reads a gospel with a curiously appropriate sentence:

    "And Jesus, seeing their thoughts, said, Why do you think evil in your hearts?" 
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    He explains that the validly ordained priest stands in persona Christi, and he takes responsibility for the forgiveness of sins.
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    And I'm wondering, how many viewers of this video are thinking evil in their hearts regarding Fr. Pancras' ordination?
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    In his sermon, Fr. Pancras speaks about what things are important for a good confession. 
    The example of a man confessing the sin of stealing a rope that was tied to a ring on a farmer's wall, is a great example. 
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    Re: Fr. Pancras saying Mass in Fr.Pfeiffer's OLMC?!
    « Reply #13 on: September 27, 2018, 05:30:25 PM »
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    • Quote from: Neil Obstat on September 27, 2018, 03:07:34 PM
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    Who is Father Pennsylvania?
    Is Amos Moran someone other than Ambrose Moran?
    Sorry!  Stupid auto correct!  I meant Fr. Pf.  as in Pfeiffer. There is no Fr. Pennsylvania, or if there is, I certainly do not know him!  To clarify, IF I were to hear Mass at OLMC, (unlikely as I live nowhere near there!), I would attend only if Fr. Pfeiffer or Hewko were the priest, because I do not know if the others are actually priests.  I do not agree with the stance or actions of Frs. Pfeiffer and Hewko, but I AM certain they are priests.  I meant Ambrose, not Amos.  Wish I could get rid of the auto correct feature.  It's REALLY annoying!
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    « Reply #14 on: September 27, 2018, 11:26:05 PM »
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    Wish I could get rid of the auto correct feature.  It's REALLY annoying!
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    You should be able to turn it off. Find out where SETTINGS are and there might be an on/off option for auto type or whatever.
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