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Author Topic: Fr. Pagliarani drops the Mask (Fr. Girouard).  (Read 759 times)

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Offline Twice dyed

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Re: Fr. Pagliarani drops the Mask (Fr. Girouard).
« Reply #10 on: Today at 10:18:09 AM »
(WITH FR. GIROUARD'S PERMISSION: EMAIL TO HIS GROUPS)


"...This scene has been deeply engraved on my memory, and I shall never be able to forget it", yes, that image would have been much better if you, and the hundreds of Priests and Seminarians in the tent, would have, following your lead, gone outside to exchange places with these old ladies, and these mothers with children on their arms. That would have shown how really you cared about the faithful. I am sorry for you that you find beautiful and consoling to see these old ladies and young mothers stay in the rain...

  Very good comments/thoughts from Fr. G.  about Fr. Pagliarani's letter.
But one issue with this specific sentence: that Fr. Pag."... exchange places with these old ladies, and these mothers..."
  I didn't watch the 6 hour video, so was Fr. Pag in the sanctuary during the consecrations? The sanctuary is off limits for the faithful. Can we even have a sanctuary in a tent for that matter?
Once a mass has begun, the celebrant(s) cannot leave the sanctuary, he  ('they' for concelebrations) must absolutely complete the entire Sacrifice of mass. 

It would have been extraordinary to witness Fr. Pag. plus 100's of priests exchange places...one for the history books.
Fr. Girouard is asking too much I think, hyperbole maybe?

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I was at High mass once, and it was during Lent....An altar boy fainted from fasting, and cut his forehead on a kneeler. The officiating priest was focused on the Mass, and had no concern about the altar boy's condition. And I wasn't about to hop over the communion rail to help. Some others carried him out of the sanctuary, and then we carried him to a bed.
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So the bottom line is that nothing can interrupt the Mass.



Re: Fr. Pagliarani drops the Mask (Fr. Girouard).
« Reply #11 on: Today at 02:16:50 PM »
Thank you Plenus Venter for this great insight! Yes, they are using these words to condition the faithful to accept joyfully an official "Recognition". The Neo-SSPX must have been infiltrated years ago. I suspect Schmidberger, who arrived in Econe with some Seminary years under his belt in Germany. His teacher in Germany was none other than Father Ratzinger (future BXVI). The 2012 management is still at the helm of Neo-SSPX. Their goal is the same now than it was then. Only the method is different. As you say: It is a long process of manipulation and brain washing.

I've heard that every year Fr. Schmidberger sent Ratzinger flowers for his birthday. 


Offline Meg

Re: Fr. Pagliarani drops the Mask (Fr. Girouard).
« Reply #12 on: Today at 03:27:08 PM »
  Very good comments/thoughts from Fr. G.  about Fr. Pagliarani's letter.
But one issue with this specific sentence: that Fr. Pag."... exchange places with these old ladies, and these mothers..."
  I didn't watch the 6 hour video, so was Fr. Pag in the sanctuary during the consecrations? The sanctuary is off limits for the faithful. Can we even have a sanctuary in a tent for that matter?
Once a mass has begun, the celebrant(s) cannot leave the sanctuary, he  ('they' for concelebrations) must absolutely complete the entire Sacrifice of mass.

It would have been extraordinary to witness Fr. Pag. plus 100's of priests exchange places...one for the history books.
Fr. Girouard is asking too much I think, hyperbole maybe?

****** 
I was at High mass once, and it was during Lent....An altar boy fainted from fasting, and cut his forehead on a kneeler. The officiating priest was focused on the Mass, and had no concern about the altar boy's condition. And I wasn't about to hop over the communion rail to help. Some others carried him out of the sanctuary, and then we carried him to a bed.
____________________
So the bottom line is that nothing can interrupt the Mass.

Agreed. I was thinking much the same thing. Most of Fr. Girouard's commentary makes good sense, but not the above. I'm surprised that he would think that it would be okay to interrupt the mass, especially one as important as this one.

IMO, Fr. Pagliarani should have perhaps apologized in that communication of his, and said he was sorry about the situation. 

Re: Fr. Pagliarani drops the Mask (Fr. Girouard).
« Reply #13 on: Today at 03:37:30 PM »
  Very good comments/thoughts from Fr. G.  about Fr. Pagliarani's letter.
But one issue with this specific sentence: that Fr. Pag."... exchange places with these old ladies, and these mothers..."
  I didn't watch the 6 hour video, so was Fr. Pag in the sanctuary during the consecrations? The sanctuary is off limits for the faithful. Can we even have a sanctuary in a tent for that matter?
Once a mass has begun, the celebrant(s) cannot leave the sanctuary, he  ('they' for concelebrations) must absolutely complete the entire Sacrifice of mass. __________________
So the bottom line is that nothing can interrupt the Mass.

Actually, they interrupted the Mass when the downpour started, because it was about the time of the Communion, and it could not be distributed to the faithful in these conditions. Fr. Pagliarani was not part of the ceremony. He had a kneeler on the side. There were about 500 clergy in the big tent who were placed at the front, like in a church. And many nuns too. It was a BIG tent. Certainly enough room for the old ladies and young mothers to be seated in the clergy (men) places.. When the rain diminished, after the 45 minutes sung Rosary, about 10 priests went outside the tent to distribute communion, with servants covering them with umbrellas. After that, the ciboria were purified at the altar and the Mass resumed and finished. I don't think Fr. Girouard truly expected Fr. Pagliarani to instruct the clergy to give up their seats in the big tent. He was just mocking Fr. Pagliarani's words about his joy redoubling at the downpour and the faithful remaining "in their place".

Re: Fr. Pagliarani drops the Mask (Fr. Girouard).
« Reply #14 on: Today at 03:57:08 PM »
Oh, like Wow!! Stonewall!  I am reading a book  "The Church and Her Enemies", by Michael Muller, C.S.S.R. dated abut 1877.  I have read books on Fɾҽҽmαsσɳɾყ and Fr. Fahey and they are great  and necessary to read.  But this book is different that it has " Oration Of Herbert A. Read, ESQ Pronounced At Le Roy, July 4, 1828 to an assembly of nearly 1,000 persons.  It is so good reading!! Can't put it down.
Thank you Songbird! I found the book on Amazon and ordered it, and I'll give a copy to Fr. Girouard: https://archive.org/details/thechurchandhere00mulluoft/page/n7/mode/2up