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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
« Reply #15 on: January 02, 2022, 07:49:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on January 02, 2022, 07:42:40 PM
    This statement says it all, and it's why the SSPX has become just another indult mass. 

    Should you ever graduate from reading the funny papers to books, I'd advise reading more than the back cover in forming your opinions.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #16 on: January 02, 2022, 07:59:48 PM »
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    • Should you ever graduate from reading the funny papers to books, I'd advise reading more than the back cover in forming your opinions.


    Have you been to a local SSPX mission chapel lately?
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #17 on: January 02, 2022, 08:09:59 PM »
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    • The SSPX needs to return to the position of +Abp. Lefebvre. They will also need bishops. Bishop Williamson has provided them with bishops they can turn to. Will the SSPX get back on track and return to the defense of the Catholic Faith, the Mass, and the priesthood in the line of Abp Lefebvre? Probably not. But it is something to pray for. At this stage what will they become if they do not? 
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #18 on: January 02, 2022, 08:16:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: mcollier on January 02, 2022, 08:09:59 PM
    The SSPX needs to return to the position of +Abp. Lefebvre. They will also need bishops. Bishop Williamson has provided them with bishops they can turn to. Will the SSPX get back on track and return to the defense of the Catholic Faith, the Mass, and the priesthood in the line of Abp Lefebvre? Probably not. But it is something to pray for. At this stage what will they become if they do not?
    And those Bishops will need to be approved by Bergolio. If not, you know the consequences.  The problem is they are not concerned with consecrating Bishops but building monuments. 
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #19 on: January 02, 2022, 08:38:54 PM »
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    • +Faure, +Aquino, +Zendejas and of course +Williamson are bishops the SSPX could turn to due to the state of emergency similar to the Arian crisis when St Athanasius defended our Holy Church or when the saintly Abp Lefebvre consecrated the four bishops in 1988. 

    Remember what Bishop Williamson said about the resistance. Paraphrasing: “that the SSPX was like a mere pilot light keeping the Faith and the resistance was like a pilot light of the pilot light”. 

    It’s time for the pilot light to kick in. And for defenders of our Faith in the line of Abp Lefebvre to see the wisdom and foresight in the actions of  Bishop Williamson. It’s time to put pride aside and to defend the Faith, the Mass, and the priesthood like Abp Lefebvre. If the SSPX cannot rise to this occasion now, then sadly they are lost. 

    And you might be surprised to see indult Catholics wake-up to the scale of the crisis and move to the resistance position right past the SSPX.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #20 on: January 02, 2022, 09:23:54 PM »
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    • Well, one can always hope and pray. But from my experience, the Neo-SSPX is lost. They are much more interested in temporal comforts than the salvation of souls.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #21 on: January 02, 2022, 09:27:08 PM »
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    • Quote from: Jr1991 on January 02, 2022, 09:23:54 PM
    Well, one can always hope and pray. But from my experience, the Neo-SSPX is lost. They are much more interested in temporal comforts than the salvation of souls.
    Agree. 
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #22 on: January 03, 2022, 10:29:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: mcollier on January 02, 2022, 08:38:54 PM
    +Faure, +Aquino, +Zendejas and of course +Williamson are bishops the SSPX could turn to due to the state of emergency similar to the Arian crisis when St Athanasius defended our Holy Church or when the saintly Abp Lefebvre consecrated the four bishops in 1988.

    Remember what Bishop Williamson said about the resistance. Paraphrasing: “that the SSPX was like a mere pilot light keeping the Faith and the resistance was like a pilot light of the pilot light”.

    It’s time for the pilot light to kick in. And for defenders of our Faith in the line of Abp Lefebvre to see the wisdom and foresight in the actions of  Bishop Williamson. It’s time to put pride aside and to defend the Faith, the Mass, and the priesthood like Abp Lefebvre. If the SSPX cannot rise to this occasion now, then sadly they are lost.

    And you might be surprised to see indult Catholics wake-up to the scale of the crisis and move to the resistance position right past the SSPX.

    Well said. Except that I think there's still a chance (maybe just a small chance) that the SSPX (particularly the leadership) can right itself and get back into line with what +ABL stood for, given that Fr. Pagliarani is at least beginning to admit to some of the realities of the situation.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #23 on: January 03, 2022, 01:11:37 PM »
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    • Quote from: Meg on January 03, 2022, 10:29:40 AM
    Well said. Except that I think there's still a chance (maybe just a small chance) that the SSPX (particularly the leadership) can right itself and get back into line with what +ABL stood for, given that Fr. Pagliarani is at least beginning to admit to some of the realities of the situation.
    God willing
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #24 on: January 04, 2022, 11:37:31 AM »
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    • Was pondering our situation in terms of Catholic history.

    Has there ever been a time when the Pope went south and the entire Church hierarchy (including trads) was neutralized, like it is today?

    Even in Catholic literature I don’t see any precedents for it?

    The Arian Heresy did not go as far as today. 

      The one book that came close to it was “Lord of the World”.   But even in that scenario, we still had a pope that was on our side.

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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #25 on: January 04, 2022, 11:52:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 04, 2022, 11:37:31 AM

    Was pondering our situation in terms of Catholic history.

    Has there ever been a time when the Pope went south and the entire Church hierarchy (including trads) was neutralized, like it is today?

    Even in Catholic literature I don’t see any precedents for it?

    The Arian Heresy did not go as far as today.

      The one book that came close to it was “Lord of the World”.  But even in that scenario, we still had a pope that was on our side.

    .:facepalm:
    Look on the bright side, Incred, we are getting the rare chance to enter unexplored territory!



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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #26 on: January 04, 2022, 08:04:31 PM »
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    • That’s a good way to look at at it Emile. 

    We have to be innovative like Daniel Boone!
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #27 on: January 05, 2022, 07:43:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on January 04, 2022, 08:04:31 PM

    That’s a good way to look at at it Emile.

    We have to be innovative like Daniel Boone!
    The difference is that every Daniel Boone of this generation is autistic from the MMR series vaccines and has been eating ZOGchow instead of wild meat.
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    Re: Fr. Pagliarani at the Angelus Conference
    « Reply #28 on: January 06, 2022, 07:03:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: bodeens on January 05, 2022, 07:43:18 PM
    The difference is that every Daniel Boone of this generation is autistic from the MMR series vaccines and has been eating ZOGchow instead of wild meat.
     
    As I recall, Daniel Boone of Kentucky, died of acute indigestion after eating a large plate of sweet potatoes 🍠 

    At that time period, he had nothing to properly wash it down his gullet.  

    For Maryland Catholics had yet to set-up the whisky/bourbon industry?

    Boone’s pioneer spirit and innovation became American folklore, but Our Lady’s warning of prudence and moderation were apparently not part of him.
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